Wii disected

[HookeyStreet]

Yeah, too bad the G3 and G5 both run the same code. The g5 just has extra instructions.

Theres a performance difference yes, but the arch. is close enough to remain in the power series...and the code is not radically different.

If you wanna argue G3 vs G5, I can assure you theres no individual kernels in OS X for different CPU styles... 64 bit however is another story.

Adding SSE3 to a Prescott didnt make it a "different" processor.....

Reading through this its far from what I mean, but it might due... I;m tired and trying to raid something in WoW at the same time

Ofcourse, you're going to get a radically different performance from each, one had to be completely revamped for multicore use! Letalone the massive price difference in yields...

EDIT: Its like comparing an AXP to an A64.

Yeah, one has a memory controller and IPC enhancements, but at the heart.... they are almost identical...

I get the feeling that you dont like being proved wrong Dippyskoodlez LMAO

 

[15th Warlock]

Yeah, too bad the G3 and G5 both run the same code. The g5 just has extra instructions.

Theres a performance difference yes, but the arch. is close enough to remain in the power series...and the code is not radically different.

If you wanna argue G3 vs G5, I can assure you theres no individual kernels in OS X for different CPU styles... 64 bit however is another story.

Adding SSE3 to a Prescott didnt make it a "different" processor.....

Reading through this its far from what I mean, but it might due... I;m tired and trying to raid something in WoW at the same time

Ofcourse, you're going to get a radically different performance from each, one had to be completely revamped for multicore use! Letalone the massive price difference in yields...

EDIT: Its like comparing an AXP to an A64.

Yeah, one has a memory controller and IPC enhancements, but at the heart.... they are almost identical...

I think you confuse the ISA language the processor uses with the basic architecture that makes it work.

To put it simple, all desktop PC processors since the 8086 (except for Apple's own 680x0 or PPC procs) use the x86 ISA instruction set, yet you cannot say that an Athlon64 X2 processor is the same as a Intel 80286 processor. Even though both processors are designed to work on the x86 ISA, their architectures and basic functions, heat dissipation, power consumption and manufacturing process are radically different from one to the other.

To further illustrate my example, Intel didn't just add SSE3 instructions to the "Prescott" as you say, the very inner works from this processor vary a lot from the previous Pentium 4 "Northwood" generation: a longer pipeline, double the L2 cache, the new "SSE3" SIMD instructions you quote, a greater power consumption and almost twice the heat dissipation, even Intel's own IA64 instructions are included in the silicon, but disabled during production of the processor.

Likewise, you cannot say that this "Netburst" architecture based processor is the same as a "San Diego" Athlon processor, or a "Coppermine" Pentium 3, or a "Conroe" Core 2 Duo, even though all of the the previous processors mentioned are designed to work with the x86 ISA.

I hope this helps you clear your doubts

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

To further illustrate my example, Intel didn't just add SSE3 instructions to the "Prescott" as you say, the very inner works from this processor vary a lot from the previous Pentium 4 "Northwood" generation: a longer pipeline, double the L2 cache, the new "SSE3" SIMD instructions you quote, a greater power consumption and almost twice the heat dissipation, even Intel's own IA64 instructions are included in the silicon, but disabled during production of the processor.

Thank you captain obvious?

 

[15th Warlock]

Thank you captain obvious?

What?

First you say this:

Adding SSE3 to a Prescott didnt make it a "different" processor.....

And then I try to explain to you how two or more different processor architectures can use the same ISA, and that's your reply? Guess I was loosing my time. I think HookeyStreet was right all along, you really don't like to be proved wrong, grow up... :shadedshu

Oh, and btw, thanks to you for your very mature and educated reply then

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

And then I try to explain to you how two or more very different processor architectures can use the same ISA, and that's your reply? Guess I was loosing my time. I think HookeyStreet was right all along, you really don't like to be proved wrong, grow up... :shadedshu

I said "SSE3 didnt make it a different processor" as in SSE3 alone. Not OMG THEY ONLY ADDED SSE3.



Its pretty obvious they added much more than just sse3...

They went from SSE2->sse3 with winchester to venice, but the overall CPU didn't change.

 

[HookeyStreet]

I think HookeyStreet was right all along, you really don't like to be proved wrong, grow up... :shadedshu

You shouldnt waste anymore of your time Warlock m8 because your obviously talking to someone that believes everything he says is true, for example anyone that makes such a crazy statement as this:

Graphically, the wii is just as competative as the 360 and ps3 IMO.

obviously thinks hes right and doesnt care about little details like facts!

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

obviously thinks hes right and doesnt care about little details like facts!

Yeah, I'm sorry I still play playstation 1 games because nothing on the next gen has anything even remotely decent when it comes to storyline, gameplay...

all it is is trying to look pretty....

*goes back to his dos, command and conquer red alert*

 

[Jimmy 2004]

all it is is trying to look pretty....

I agree with that, gamers are certainly too hooked on pretty graphics to realise we want something truely different, not just different control systems and time periods, which is why I think it's good that Nintendo have the most inovative games in most cases.

 

[Azn Tr14dZ]

I agree with that, gamers are certainly too hooked on pretty graphics to realise we want something truely different, not just different control systems and time periods, which is why I think it's good that Nintendo have the most inovative games in most cases.

Yup! True to that, Nintendo is always different, PlayStation 3 hasn't changed too much besides graphics and the extra features. From the PS Controller, to the PS2 and PS3, there isn't much of a difference at all. And the Xbox and Xbox 360 controllers are very similar. Nintendo has always tried to change the way wii all play. From their (S)NES, to N64, GCN, and now the Wii, there are major differences that change the way we play (controllers...other features, etc.) We can even play GBA games on the DS and GCN, with the GameBoy Player and such, and back on to the N64, we would be able to transfer data from GB games to N64 games (PokeMon for example), Nintendo has always been innovative and tried to change the way we play games, and I think they're doing great at it, and some people are forgetting that.

 

[HookeyStreet]

I agree with that, gamers are certainly too hooked on pretty graphics to realise we want something truely different, not just different control systems and time periods, which is why I think it's good that Nintendo have the most inovative games in most cases.

Yet 9/10 PC gamers play FPS and 9/10 games on the PC are FPS

 

[InfDamarvel]

Yet 9/10 PC gamers play FPS and 9/10 games on the PC are FPS

Ok....Im part of that 9/10 games but lets just note that I may play First Person shooters but its not the only type of game I play.

Wii should bring a entire new experience to First Person shooters, I think the main goal nintendo needs to reach at the moment and make a compelling shooter to combat with all the shooters 360 and PS3 are going to have in order to take on more of the market of gamers.


O and exactly where did you get that amazing statistics from?

 

[Azn Tr14dZ]

I'm %50 FPS (CS:S, CoD2, DoD:S, Ut2004), and also 49% RPG (Guild Wars, TES IV:Oblivion, City of Heroes,)...amd like 1% RTS (Company of Heroes)...but this is just for PC. It changes for Consoles.

 

[Batou1986]

new Zelda rox AVOID RED STEEL AT ALL COST IT SUCKS
Rayman is fugin hillarious and fun as hell ... this coming from someone who hates kiddy games

 

[Azn Tr14dZ]

Yeah, the Red Steel isn't that good at all, but others like CoD3 are OK. But Zelda owns every other launch title for the Wii.

 

[HookeyStreet]

O and exactly where did you get that amazing statistics from?

I made it up LMAO (like most other statistics on the net)

 

[HookeyStreet]

But Zelda owns every other launch title for the Wii.

Thats obvious m8, Zelda has always been a superb franchise from Nintendo (a bit like Mario), personally I still prefer the SNES versions But I admit I would like to play the Wii versions of both games!

TBH the only thing I worry about is the Wii-mote becoming tedious instead of fun, just how long do you think it will be before your annoyed with having to wave you arm about to control your games (ie waving your arm to swipe an enemy with Links sword!) Im being serious, not just trying to pick fault in the Wii (because I know the new Wii-mote is one of the main Wii selling points) but if you think about it how many people have used a 'light-gun' to play a game (say Silent Scope) and after a while thought "f*ck this" and just grabbed a standard pad. Also having to use motion to control you onscreen character cant be very good for your wrists when your having a major gaming session

Obviously these are my opinions which may or may not be true, personally I would love to see Nintendo do well with the Wii (as I used to love Nintendo growing up, and they were the king of consoles)

 

[Azn Tr14dZ]

At least not the whole thing is based on the Wiimote, it's only meant for attacking when you swing it, but besides that you walk and stuff with the nunchuck.

I heard that Zelda sales are almost 1:1 with the Wii!