Everywhere you go you're going to see forced updates. Xbox Live and PlayStation Network require updates before allowing you to play online. It's not a big deal unless the update messes up your crack or something, otherwise, what reason would a person have for not updating?
That's because UPDATES were forced in MW2 , then you couldn't use things such as console unlocker and other tweaks you need to first backup before updating.
Up to 200,000 from the government. 400,000 if you're married and using a joint account or the same bank.
That's really what you have in usa , look youtube "money as a debt" seems that in foreclousores you don't get nothing after , but then again i really don't know.
Anyone else had trouble with steam and windows 7 x64 ? I try to start L4D 2 and steam doesn`t run right (the service doesn`t start properly). I can work round it by stopping and starting steam manually , but it`s still a PITA.
I have Win7 64x too , did have a major problem when Steam was stuck in an updating loop , reinstall didn't help , nothing.
I have never read so much misinformation on TPU in my whole life. This whole thread is a disgrace.
So you're saying im not the only one not knowing things?
Your really going out on a limb here, most of your reasons seem to be like "well if the world ended", well if the world ends the world ends, worry about that when it happens. If you buy a car and you drive it for we'll say 5,000 miles then it blows the motor, what do you do? You deal with it, it's part of life and the odds of that happening are much higher than having Steam just flat out close up shop. If valve bankrupts you still have all of your CD keys (remember you can see them fr each game).
I know, but you'll never know what can happen , still possibility.
You have valid points. I highly dislike certain things about steam, but the deals they have are undeniable. I have a policy that keeps me happy with steam, I never pay over $20 for a game from them.
My number one gripe with steam is the fact that you can't sell or transfer your account. That REALLY annoys me because I like to get games, play them and sell em.
Yeah, I do have , from a modding,tweaking viewpoint , also modifing the profile (i will explain later), I think that's the biggest point of steam they had in mind , control the second-hand market, nevertheless but i honestly always thought steam was better than anything else. But that's valve sakes , i expected more of them.
I was about to make my first purchase from steam but now am having second thoughts. I dont like the idea of adding software to run a game that bums me out. I guess I will be better off buying the game from a store. Thanks for the info every one
That was my first impression too , except that i never planned to buy a game, i guess it wasn't as good as it now APPARENTLY is. still it's not perfect , or a substitute of taking over retail.
who cares if Steam is required to play a game or if it isn't, it's not that stressful. And it allows you to stay connected with friends. And if it's in Offline mode, once again who cares, it's not crushing your system. The instant I start worrying about minor processes slowing down my comp is when I know something is wrong with my hardware.
I have Xfire for that so no thanks , btw , i have more real life firends than online.
i dont understand why steam running in the background is such a problem? i think its a good idea on the whole anti piracy thing and who really has a computer nowadays where running steam has an impact on their gameplay? Its not like steam pops up when you don't want it to or little notifications pop up like windows live. Just logging (or have it do it automaticly) click on you game done. When you quit your game you just spend and extra secomd closing steam. It'd would take just as long to run a game without steam clicking on start, then games, then the game you want. I think its either sheer stubbornness of laziness
That's because it feels unsecure , always someting running , when game's crash you always blame it , or GFWL.
You can turn notifications off.
Tbh, it seems most of people problems with steam can be changing in the options...
I guess i didn't notice
1 Why are you complaining that your games get updated and you don't have to find the updates and download them from crappy mirrors? It's a good thing, and it isn't forced.
2 Pay and download is better than owning a copy, because unless you fuck up and cheat or be an idiot, or give away your accounts security, you will ALWAYS have that game, on any PC you want, available to you. You can't "lose" a game over steam, that's the point. If you uninstall it, it sits in your library as a free download link to the files. Plus, under your account settings you have the receipts to all the downloads and purchases you make, and Valve customer service is great.
3 They accept prepaid mastercards/visa. I'm just turning 19 in a few days and I'll have my first credit card, and I've been using prepaid cards for years. I occasionally use a friends credit card because I trust and love steam and so does everybody else lol.
It's up to you, you can buy CD's and have a cluttered gaming space in which you can't take with you, or keep from breaking indefinitely, or keep from expiring warantys or disc scratch replacement warranty, and buy things at full price.
That's because I am a guy who knows well where and how to download patches and that's not a matter of vast proportions in innovation , but rather spoiling us, whatever, the idea is i explained before , forced updates aren't always great from a viewpoint of tweaking,modding. etc.
Exactly.
I agree with the OP. /fin
With who?
Thats not the point of DRM, thats the point of that new strategy of charging $10 to each person who buys a game second hand to be able to use the online abilities. DRM is to stop their shit from getting stolen, and it makes sense, it sucks that they have to go to such great length and sometimes it gives people who bought the game issues. But do you just let people steal from you? And if you knew someone that did steal from you, what would you do?
Agreed
i dont like steam for one reason - $ is not €
Yes but that's everywhere , it's the hidden european union tax , i really don't like eu at all , they're going to make us like the usa. People seem to not even realize what are they going into.
Again, I disagree. Piracy is blamed for far too much, and all too often used as an excuse for other agendas. Clearly the Internet has exaggerated piracy to some extent, but people were filling up both sides of a D90 cassette with Commodore 64 or Spectrum games long before the Web became common in households. In other words, I question whether piracy rates have increased to the extent that the companies claim. Moreover, given that it is clearly not working, as you yourself point out, why do they keep using it? They have most certainly lost sales by employing certain types of DRM, why do they keep using it? The answer has to be that tying up the second-hand market provides enough profit to offset any losses.
Here's a question: how many blank tapes did Sony sell in the VHS/ghetto blaster heyday? Did they think people were using these resources to record their singing voices in the shower? These are the same people trying to ram Securom down everbody's throat.
The focus of DRM, rather than preventing piracy, is to redefine the very concept of ownership. To take your analogy: you will never own another another car, cars will simply be leased to you, so you really shouldn't talk about "your" car.
To get back on topic, it is clear that most of us agree that Steam has triumphed and represents a useful tool on balance. However, it remains DRM and we should never forget that, nor should we be so eager to relinquish our ability to resell games, despite the advantages offered by any particular service.
Wrong, let's not allow the authorities to exceed their powers employing murder rates as an excuse.
Agreed
HAHAH
Oh wait please tell me your not serious? You don't even own the license if you pay for that service.
Anyway back on topic. I don't feel Steam offers me great value for money. You lock ALL of your games to one account.
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There you have it, no one is allowed to play any of your other games whilst you play CSS etc. That right has been taken away from you.
So i guess you can't play multiple instances of the game , another negative.
Ok in the end , it's nontheless better than it looked at first, but what about profile settings, it's saved there , i can't edit the profile with programs , change profile-bound CFGs , and the rest , ... this is commonly used when modding tweaking , but i don't know if it's possible in steam.
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