GTX 470 Owners

[EarthDog]

Here is the EK FC-470 I jut installed. I put it to some hard core testing last night. The most came from some real time rendering and the Cuda toolbox. It pretty much evened things out with the i7 and never got over 40c. I also played a few hours for BBC2 everything maxed except 32xAA, still never over 45c.

My conclusion is, on a loop with 1 BlackIce Xtreme III, my i7 and 470 extremely stressed are cooler then idol on air cooling. That's cold when it's 100°f outside.

http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae223/pickles24_2009/ekfc470.jpg

Thats encouraging news. I bought a PA 120.2 to add into my loop to keep my i7 860 (4.2Ghz with HT) and this thing cool.

 

[trt740]

Anyone know is A/C coming out with an Accelerro for this bad boy.

 

[EarthDog]

You want 220W of heat dump inside your case...?

 

[Pickles24]

I agree, at least the stock fan/shroud sends the majority to the rear of the case. My NB sits atop the 470 and soared +20c on air, I can't imagine how high it would get if the heat was blowing up on it.

 

[Lionheart]

Has EVGA started selling the GTX 480's & GTX 470's with backplates yet?

 

[trt740]

You want 220W of heat dump inside your case...?

Never said that and A/C has made full cover video card heatsinks that dumped the heat out the rear of the case in the past.

I agree, at least the stock fan/shroud sends the majority to the rear of the case. My NB sits atop the 470 and soared +20c on air, I can't imagine how high it would get if the heat was blowing up on it.

Again never said I wanted this.

 

[EarthDog]

Sorry man, you said Accelerro which dumps heat inside the case (S1, S2, X1, etc)...since that is what you posted, that is how I took it.

Anyone know is A/C coming out with an Accelerro for this bad boy.

Never said that and A/C has made full cover video card heatsinks that dumped the heat out the rear of the case in the past.

If they did, it was a while ago as what they list now dumps straight into the case.

http://www.arctic-cooling.com/catalog/main.php?cPath=2

 

[trt740]

Sorry man, you said Accelerro which dumps heat inside the case (S1, S2, X1, etc)...since that is what you posted, that is how I took it.




If they did, it was a while ago as what they list now dumps straight into the case.

http://www.arctic-cooling.com/catalog/main.php?cPath=2

Which from experience causes zero trouble with a decent case and a good cpu cooler which we all have. Still I would like it to empty out of the case but since A/C is one of the top cooling companies in the world I'm sure they can figure it out. Heck a Toxic 5970,( which is heavely overclocked), has zero trouble with two gpus and 4gb of ram. It has a Accelero strapped to it http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?psn=0001&pid=340 . I would think it throws the same amount of heat if not more than a 470 gtx. P.S nice to have on TPU

 

[eidairaman1]

I think GPU coolers that Exhaust out the case are overrated nowadays, I hear way too many complaints about the coolers being so noisy, perhaps it is case acoustics making them sound louder then they truly are?

Sorry man, you said Accelerro which dumps heat inside the case (S1, S2, X1, etc)...since that is what you posted, that is how I took it.




If they did, it was a while ago as what they list now dumps straight into the case.

http://www.arctic-cooling.com/catalog/main.php?cPath=2

 

[Pickles24]

@trt740
It's all just opinion.. I had an accellero on a 8800 gts that saved the card 2-3 years. I JUST DON'T KNOW how efficient it would be on a 470 in tight quarters.. besides that what did you mean with your PM? Member for a day, nice to have you at TPU?? Is this in reference to the fact that I have only been a member since Dec 2009? I believe I had some 30 years of knowledge before I joined TPU. I have been taking apart cpu's since the days of cassette tape drives and 1200 bit modems... I believe my opinion is legit.

 

[EarthDog]

Which from experience causes zero trouble with a decent case and a good cpu cooler which we all have. Still I would like it to empty out of the case but since A/C is one of the top cooling companies in the world I'm sure they can figure it out. Heck a Toxic 5970,( which is heavely overclocked), has zero trouble with two gpus and 4gb of ram. It has a Accelero strapped to it http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?psn=0001&pid=340 . I would think it throws the same amount of heat if not more than a 470 gtx. P.S nice to have on TPU

Right. Not everyone has a decent case. Not everyone wants 220W+ of heat dump inside their case.

Like someone said, its an opinion. I dont want 200W of heat dump inside my case (Obsidian 800d which does not have Antec 1200 like airflow). If I used that, it would likely raise my loop temps a signficant amount..so yeah, I DONT WANT 200W OF HEAT DUMP INSIDE MY CASE regardless of what case it is, temps will be affected noteably.

 

[trt740]

Right. Not everyone has a decent case. Not everyone wants 220W+ of heat dump inside their case.

Like someone said, its an opinion. I dont want 200W of heat dump inside my case (Obsidian 800d which does not have Antec 1200 like airflow). If I used that, it would likely raise my loop temps a signficant amount..so yeah, I DONT WANT 200W OF HEAT DUMP INSIDE MY CASE regardless of what case it is, temps will be affected noteably.

Uh no they won't with a good heatsink. Just as people with sli rigs and crossfire riggs don't have a issue. I haven't ever seen my CPU temp rise because of a gpu and I have had just about every combo there is. If your case is decent , you have good air flow, and have a decent modern cpu cooler your Cpu won't be effected. Your case temps may rise in the area of your video card but thats not a issue because with just about any powerful video that will happen. Your intitle to your opinion your just missing out on some great cooler and hopefully A/C will make one for the 470 gtx.


Earth Dog your case has more than enough cooling to handle any video card that would exhaust in your case. http://www.corsair.com/products/800d/default.aspx This case has great air flow. Corsair Obsidian Series 800D CC800DW Black Aluminu... Very very nice case.
Cooling System
140mm Fans 3 x 140mm fans

 

[EarthDog]

I guess our definitions differ on what 'great airflow' in a case is. I used to own an Antec 900 and Antec 1200 prior to the Obsidian. While the airflow isnt bad, its not an Anty 900/1200 where you would see less of a change in case and CPU temps vs mine. It literally has one 140mm intake... not optimal with all that exhaust.

See the conclusion paragraph in my review: http://www.overclockers.com/corsair-obsidian-800d-case-review/

Hell, just installing the 470 from GTX 260 216 and GTX 285, the case temps went up about 2-3C compared to both setups (which exhausted out side the case for ALL cards). My CPU temps went up about the same as well. So going from Anty 1200 to Obsidian was 2C temp difference, and then adding the card was another 2C on top of that for my CPU and thats WITH GPUs that exhaust outside the case. If I get all that heatdump inside my case, I assure you my temps will go up even more on other components. While that may not be troublesome to you, I benchmark and every degree C my CPU or system is cooler, usually translates to higher or more stable overclocks. So it matters to a lot of enthusiasts.

Again, its my personal opinion that I wouldnt want 200W of heat dump inside my case as regardless with any case really, all temps will go up. To deny that fact is just, well, Sillyness (sorry, its just that obvious to me).

While Im sure they are good coolers (I had one on my old X1950pro AGP IIRC), its not optimal to have so much heat dumped inside a case. You will undoubtedly affect other temps. Undoubtedly. And while you are right this wont be harmful to most system, every C counts for some, like me.

Im cooling the 470 with water and another radiator come this weekend anyway..

But I digress. Thats not what this thread is about really. So lets just agree to disagree and move forward.

Its peculiar that your experience differs from the majority and frankly goes against the laws of thermodynamics....

 

[trt740]

I guess our definitions differ on what 'great airflow' in a case is. I used to own an Antec 900 and Antec 1200 prior to the Obsidian. While the airflow isnt bad, its not an Anty 900/1200 where you would see less of a change in case and CPU temps vs mine. It literally has one 140mm intake... not optimal with all that exhaust.

See the conclusion paragraph in my review: http://www.overclockers.com/corsair-obsidian-800d-case-review/

Hell, just installing the 470 from GTX 260 216 and GTX 285, the case temps went up about 2-3C compared to both setups (which exhausted out side the case for ALL cards). My CPU temps went up about the same as well. So going from Anty 1200 to Obsidian was 2C temp difference, and then adding the card was another 2C on top of that for my CPU and thats WITH GPUs that exhaust outside the case. If I get all that heatdump inside my case, I assure you my temps will go up even more on other components. While that may not be troublesome to you, I benchmark and every degree C my CPU or system is cooler, usually translates to higher or more stable overclocks. So it matters to a lot of enthusiasts.

Again, its my personal opinion that I wouldnt want 200W of heat dump inside my case as regardless with any case really, all temps will go up. To deny that fact is just, well, Sillyness (sorry, its just that obvious to me). I'm sure it will be a bit different with only one gpu but maybe a 465 x2 will be coming like Galaxy promises.

While Im sure they are good coolers (I had one on my old X1950pro AGP IIRC), its not optimal to have so much heat dumped inside a case. You will undoubtedly affect other temps. Undoubtedly. And while you are right this wont be harmful to most system, every C counts for some, like me.

Im cooling the 470 with water and another radiator come this weekend anyway..

But I digress. Thats not what this thread is about really. So lets just agree to disagree and move forward.

Its peculiar that your experience differs from the majority and frankly goes against the laws of thermodynamics....

I have good air flow that wisks the air away and heat doesn't build in my case unless I would run lenthy gpu stressing programs like occt, but in day to day use it's not a issue at all. Also if you think that heats bad what about this in your case it dumps inside aswell and I'm betting a 400 gtx series cooler from Asus is coming (Rog Matrix 480/470 etc....) http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/ARES/4.html

 

[EarthDog]

I dont understand your point above. Who cares about that product. It will plauge a case with the same issues as we talked about already.

I, and many others, simply prefer not to dump the heat inside the case for best temps. Its just that simple. Its nothing against AC or anyone's products, its just a perference, and with good reason, for a lot of people.

Please, lets move on already.

 

[erixx]

FUNNY.... if you are a 'benchmarker' (whatever that is, as opposed to ... maybe a 'tester/reviewer'?)
why don't you have an open case or a proper testbed...
I have been following this argument, and read about more than one 'open' GPU cooler (be it AC or other) and most get excellent reviews, and for sure excellent noise reviews.

At the end of the day, noise would be a decisive aspect, much more than a little heat, in an everyday 'office' computer environment...

I am waiting for Artric Cooling for the 470, you not, alright. But I believe that compared to the stock 'exhaust' cooling solutions, with an open PCB cooling, the very PCB, and the mainboard, will be cooler.

 

[EarthDog]

FUNNY.... if you are a 'benchmarker' (whatever that is, as opposed to ... maybe a 'tester/reviewer'?)
why don't you have an open case or a proper testbed...
I have been following this argument, and read about more than one 'open' GPU cooler (be it AC or other) and most get excellent reviews, and for sure excellent noise reviews

First, I dont appreciate the thinly veiled attack on my review...Im not a formal reviewer/professional writer thats just something I do for fun on a different website. I push my hardware to its limits which causes even MORE heat on all overclocked components. Im not sure what a proper testbed or an open case would accomplish within this context considering I keep the side closed anyway. The Obsidian is my 24/7 PC with some benching. Not to mention, the ambient temps were exactly the same for all my testing. I mean seriously, why the heck would you attack me and my credibility like that?

At the end of the day, noise would be a decisive aspect, much more than a little heat, in an everyday 'office' computer environment...

As far as excellent reviews, erixx, please pay closer attention to the conversation you claimed to have been following. Nobody ever mentioned performance or noise, at least I didnt. My only talking point was about the heat dump inside the case compared to a cooler that exhausts outside the case. Im not sure where an office computer comes into play either as they wouldnt or shouldnt even have a nice GPU in most cases (unless CAD or rendering) and they would run with stock cooling solutions for warranty purposes anyway. As far as a regular use computer the ONLY reason to change from stock would be noise. But........again.........I mentioned the fact that this would effect the enthusiast crowd more so than mom and dad user.

I am waiting for Artric Cooling for the 470, you not, alright. But I believe that compared to the stock 'exhaust' cooling solutions, with an open PCB cooling, the very PCB, and the mainboard, will be cooler

Again erixx, NOBODY IS DENYING THE FACT THAT IT WILL PERFORM BETTER THAN THE STOCK COOLER...

EDIT: Please all, really... this is my opinion that I feel many others like me may share. So lets stop the back and forth over an opinion.

 

[erocker]

I have no problems with discussion. Even discussion that is a bit "heated" is fine. I do have a problem when the discussion of computer hardware turns personal or when the discussion moves towards any other member. Please keep this in mind while having your discussion. Keep it civil, respectful and appropriate to the forums. Also, keep the discussion on topic. This post is not on topic and is to remind you to keep your cool so there is no need to follow up with this post. Again, keep on topic.

Thank you.

 

[yogurt_21]

EDIT: Please all, really... this is my opinion that I feel many others like me may share. So lets stop the back and forth over an opinion.

just an fyi you're completely failing at the above argument when you insist on responding to and attempting to refute every single remark.


as it were I see no issues with a 470's or any card's heat exhausting into the case as all my cases have fans to redirect this air flow. and really I cannot see expecting a performance gain as large as there is between a gtx260 and a gtx470 and then not expecting case temps to go up at all.

between my palit 9600gt and evga gtx295ftw edition I did see an increase in case temps, a mere 1-2c but it's there, considering that the 295 is 4times as fast as the 9600... I think it's well warranted lol.

for the gtx470 I'd welcome any cooler that reduces heat of the gpu, it's my job from there to take care of case airflow, not the gpu's. after all if you buy a new engine, it's not going to come with a new exaust system, after it leaves the exhaust manifold (which won't come with certain crate engines even) the exhaust is up to you. Same principle here.

 

[eidairaman1]

The Last time I bought a Non Stock cooler was for a Radeon 9700 Pro AIW, till I killed it accidentally and then had it replaced with a 9800 Pro AIW. That cooler was the VGA Silencer Rev 3, I used AS5 with it, I also used BGA Ramsinks which had double sided thermal tape on them.

I think in my head i could develop a different means of cooling design for video cards.

 

[erixx]

Sorry if I misunderstood you Earthdog or made misleading statements, I didn't want to upset you, rather simply use your argument impersonally as an example of a minority point of view.

Anyway, on topic, there are some reviews with stock cooling alternatives for the 480/470... Palit, Zotac... we should be talking about them...

the aparently A-C cooler (denied by the builder) received a positive review, and the Zotac with the Zalman resulted in being very noisy and not so great. If I recall correctly.

 

[Lionheart]

Soooo... no one knows when EVGA will started selling the GTX 480's & GTX 470's with backplates yet or separately even?

 

[DanishDevil]

Uh...

http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=015-P3-1485-AR&family=GeForce 400 Series Family

http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=012-P3-1475-AR&family=GeForce 400 Series Family

 

[Lionheart]

Uh...

http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=015-P3-1485-AR&family=GeForce 400 Series Family

http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=012-P3-1475-AR&family=GeForce 400 Series Family

Thanx but I went to the EVGA site and couldn't even find them, must of went right by them or done a crummy search, thanks again bru

 

[DanishDevil]

No prob. They've also got the backplates themselves.