Apple Unveils Hardware Specs. Updates for iMacs, Mac Pro, and a New Cinema Display

[djisas]

I'd sell it if someone offered me one and build myself a decent windows gaming rig...

 

[NC37]

Did you just miss the last generation? The 5770 is a great selection for the stock graphics from the last gens which had Geforce 130s. In fact, looking at all the years of the towers from the G5 era to now, the 5770 is probably the best midrange part they've ever used in terms of performance vs the high end BTO option.

It does surprise me that they didn't use a 5770 in the high end i7 iMac, or a 5830. But then, the high end iMacs have been notorious for heat issues in previous gens. Specially when they added a high performance CPU with an upper midrange GPU. Just turned the things into mini ovens.

I still wouldn't buy. Not because I don't like the specs. I do better than past gens. But cost of upgrading my current PC build would be only $540 if I went with dual 460 SLIs and a new Phenom. When considering that vs $3,000+ cause I wouldn't want a stock Mac, no way. Theres no way I'd consider an AIO machine so iMac is out. Then the Mini is little more than a toy in my eyes.

In the end, theres no Mac for me and Apple refuses to just make a cheap upgradable tower again like they had in the RISC era. $1000-$2000 tower that is not Xeon based is not too much to ask. Personally I just don't think they want to design another tower case again. They've been stagnating on the brushed metal for over 5 years now. That and they don't like the idea of people keeping machine for years like in the past. My last Mac is from 04, and last tower is from 01, generally I tend to get a good 5 years at least out of Macs if not more. Upgrade them as far as they'd go before buying again. Apple is likely ok with some of that on the overpriced Pros, but if there was a cheaper tower I'm sure they'd hate that.

 

[djisas]

It is made so you can buy a new mac every 2 years and dish like 2000+ every time and throw your old to the garbage...
Its basically a console, mb a ps3 can do more than those macs for under 400...

 

[Easy Rhino]

It is made so you can buy a new mac every 2 years and dish like 2000+ every time and throw your old to the garbage...
Its basically a console, mb a ps3 can do more than those macs for under 400...

huh?

 

[djisas]

huh?

I was replaying to NC37, having a stock mac with very low upgrade options...
Like in consoles your hardware lasts less and makes you buy a new machine more often wasting more money...

 

[AsRock]

lol at all the mac haters trying to come up with a reason to hate this lineup. face it, you want one!

LMAO, i just want the OS every thing else i can get much cheaper than they sell it for.

 

[Easy Rhino]

LMAO, i just want the OS every thing else i can get much cheaper than they sell it for.

maybe a mac pro but not an imac.

 

[djisas]

The imac is ideal for non advanced users and for those who want a very practical and compact machine for their daily use, like the design and can waste the money...
Everyone else will just buy something under 1k or for extreme users they will buy the best they can get...

As for me, i need to invest at least 600€ or close to 700-800$, but im waiting for news on intel and ati upcoming hardware...

 

[freaksavior]

The imac is ideal for non advanced users and for those who want a very practical and compact machine for their daily use, like the design and can waste the money...
Everyone else will just buy something under 1k or for extreme users they will buy the best they can get...

As for me, i need to invest at least 600€ or close to 700-800$, but im waiting for news on intel and ati upcoming hardware...

Did you just miss the last generation? The 5770 is a great selection for the stock graphics from the last gens which had Geforce 130s. In fact, looking at all the years of the towers from the G5 era to now, the 5770 is probably the best midrange part they've ever used in terms of performance vs the high end BTO option.

It does surprise me that they didn't use a 5770 in the high end i7 iMac, or a 5830. But then, the high end iMacs have been notorious for heat issues in previous gens. Specially when they added a high performance CPU with an upper midrange GPU. Just turned the things into mini ovens.

I still wouldn't buy. Not because I don't like the specs. I do better than past gens. But cost of upgrading my current PC build would be only $540 if I went with dual 460 SLIs and a new Phenom. When considering that vs $3,000+ cause I wouldn't want a stock Mac, no way. Theres no way I'd consider an AIO machine so iMac is out. Then the Mini is little more than a toy in my eyes.

In the end, theres no Mac for me and Apple refuses to just make a cheap upgradable tower again like they had in the RISC era. $1000-$2000 tower that is not Xeon based is not too much to ask. Personally I just don't think they want to design another tower case again. They've been stagnating on the brushed metal for over 5 years now. That and they don't like the idea of people keeping machine for years like in the past. My last Mac is from 04, and last tower is from 01, generally I tend to get a good 5 years at least out of Macs if not more. Upgrade them as far as they'd go before buying again. Apple is likely ok with some of that on the overpriced Pros, but if there was a cheaper tower I'm sure they'd hate that.

Have either of you ever owned a mac?

 

[djisas]

Nop...
Im purely saying what i think based on the little i know...
It's mostly a financial problem and a certain dislike toward the brand call me biased or whatever, but thats what we outside the mac world see things, or at least try...

Actually i would never buy any Apple product, like iphone 4, its seems every now and then apple screw's up, plus their apple players aint the best in the universe and there are always a better and cheaper option...

 

[AsRock]

maybe a mac pro but not an imac.

True, but i would not touch a imac and would buy a laptop before that. But some one must like them huh so they must be doing some thing right .

 

[Easy Rhino]

i just find it completely retarded that people on TPU and other tech forums bash Macs for their high price and then they immediately go out and build their own $2000 machine and put Windows on it.

 

[djisas]

If we can build a better rig with a more widely used and supported os, not being restrained with the hardware choices, i think any non mac lover would do the obvious choice of spending those 2k on a custom rig, built to his image and not to someone's else image...

 

[Easy Rhino]

If we can build a better rig with a more widely used and supported os, not being restrained with the hardware choices, i think any non mac lover would do the obvious choice of spending those 2k on a custom rig, built to his image and not to someone's else image...

of course, because you can build your own. but you are still willing to spend the same amount of money. so the price is not an issue. if you are talking value, well the Mac build quality is excellent, their tech support is superb and their software is fantastic. so price goes beyond simply the hardware.

 

[kevikev]

$999 for the 27" LED Cinema Display with 90% of the pixels of the 2560x1600 30" display.

Hopefully this means either an LED version of the 30" is coming or will drive the price of the 30" down.

 

[kid41212003]

lol at all the mac haters trying to come up with a reason to hate this lineup. face it, you want one!

I want the screen only .

 

[djisas]

with that price i can get myself a good 40 1080 lcd, spend another 1k upgrading my rig and get the best of 2 worlds...
But then again, i dont have 2k to waste...

I think that's enough discussing, these fights never end and lead nowhere...

 

[kevikev]

with that price i can get myself a good 40 1080 lcd, spend another 1k upgrading my rig and get the best of 2 worlds...
But then again, i dont have 2k to waste...

I think that's enough discussing, these fights never end and lead nowhere...

Yeah, since a 40" 1920x1080 resolution is equivalent to a 27" 2560x1440 resolution

 

[AsRock]

of course, because you can build your own. but you are still willing to spend the same amount of money. so the price is not an issue. if you are talking value, well the Mac build quality is excellent, their tech support is superb and their software is fantastic. so price goes beyond simply the hardware.

The love of building ya own cannot beat it. And at least i know whats in it for sure and to say the least when you build ya own you get a better warranty with most parts.


And i know my system is cooled better too. Apple do some really shady crap COUGH iphone was the last one i believe. I guess it's a peace of mind .

 

[TheMailMan78]

As someone who has used Macs since the Apple II and still uses one professionally I say Apple hasn't made a good computer since the Quicksilver IMO.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Buying an iMac is one of the dumbest mistakes in buying hardware, ever.

You're paying extra for a decent monitor that has no video input of any form.
In 6 years, that monitor is still good as a viewing device, but by that time it'll be eternally stuck to the then-useless hardware.

Not to mention that HD4670.. a 2H 2010 "update" of a $1200 computer with a 2 year-old mid-range GPU (which probably sells like $25 for them).
Hooray for greediness.

i just find it completely retarded that people on TPU and other tech forums bash Macs for their high price and then they immediately go out and build their own $2000 machine and put Windows on it.

Those $2000 windows machines have 2-5x more performance than the $2000 Mac, exponencially higher compatibility with software and hardware and there's practically no objective advantage in getting the Mac.

Your criticism doesn't really make much sense.
Plus, "retarded" is an actual medical condition and shouldn't be used to mock people.

of course, because you can build your own. but you are still willing to spend the same amount of money. so the price is not an issue. if you are talking value, well the Mac build quality is excellent, their tech support is superb and their software is fantastic. so price goes beyond simply the hardware.

Excellent, superb and fantastic?
I guess it must be really great, incredible and amazing!

 

[devguy]

Oh, glad to see Macs are getting HD 5xxx series cards. This means that hackintoshes will have driver support for the HD 58xx series cards. Schweet.

 

[freaksavior]

Nop...
Im purely saying what i think based on the little i know...
It's mostly a financial problem and a certain dislike toward the brand call me biased or whatever, but thats what we outside the mac world see things, or at least try...

Actually i would never buy any Apple product, like iphone 4, its seems every now and then apple screw's up, plus their apple players aint the best in the universe and there are always a better and cheaper option...

Didn't think so.

 

[Easy Rhino]

Buying an iMac is one of the dumbest mistakes in buying hardware, ever.

You're paying extra for a decent monitor that has no video input of any form.
In 6 years, that monitor is still good as a viewing device, but by that time it'll be eternally stuck to the then-useless hardware.

Not to mention that HD4670.. a 2H 2010 "update" of a $1200 computer with a 2 year-old mid-range GPU (which probably sells like $25 for them).
Hooray for greediness.





Those $2000 windows machines have 2-5x more performance than the $2000 Mac, exponencially higher compatibility with software and hardware and there's practically no objective advantage in getting the Mac.

Your criticism doesn't really make much sense.
Plus, "retarded" is an actual medical condition and shouldn't be used to mock people.


Excellent, superb and fantastic?
I guess it must be really great, incredible and amazing!

yes. excellent, superb and fantastic. have you ever used an mac pro or an imac? the quality of the builds are far better than dell, or hp or sony machines. apple tech support is continually rated as the best of any electronics company in the world. and the OS is based on BSD, the most stable and developer friendly platform.

of course you can build your own machine for less, but that is comparing apples and oranges. compare a mac to a dell or an hp as far hardware, support and software are concerned.

 

[AsRock]

yes. excellent, superb and fantastic. have you ever used an mac pro or an imac? the quality of the builds are far better than dell, or hp or sony machines. apple tech support is continually rated as the best of any electronics company in the world. and the OS is based on BSD, the most stable and developer friendly platform.

of course you can build your own machine for less, but that is comparing apples and oranges. compare a mac to a dell or an hp as far hardware, support and software are concerned.

Whats the warranty if your Mac pro breaks down ?. Just curious as with DELL they send some one to your house.