AMD Details Bulldozer Processor Architecture

[naram-sin]

amd stated many times that it will be am3r2

Most of things that can be found on the net are readers' guesses. At one point, AMD did mention am3r2, but hadn't claimed that there will be any backward compatibility. Or at least I can't find any.

But, we should keep in mind that this is not exactly what AMD initially intended. This is a result of going back to the drawing board and coming up with something (almost) completely new... or at least upgraded... and better (judging by these info)! And I say: good for them! And for most of us! If they came up with an idea that is great (superior, even, at least compared to previous one) but requires certain changes in other areas, then do it.

Otherwise, it would be like cramming a jet-engine inside a trailer...

 

[Tatty_Two]

PaNic, you have made your point.... thank you, let's move back on topic now and talk about Bulldozer and try and get over obselete chipsets (or not) as the case may be...... I appreciate sockets are relative, lets just not harp on about rip off previous socket support.

 

[pantherx12]

theres has been a few press conference/computer shows where they have said this. just google it
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2871/2

That's fairly dated but fair enough

 

[Valdez]

show me the links. with no links your just ranting.



that link is moot, wikipedia isn't a statement from AMD, nor does the reference list show a link to AMD officially stating it will be on the AM3 socket.

 

[Atom_Anti]

Ok guys, we got two important information:
-not backwards compatible with AM3,
-50% higher performance-per-watt compared to Shanghai and Istanbul.

Anyone can tell me a Corei7 or a Phenom2 how much faster than Shanghai or Istanbul?

 

[the_wolf88]

Really why did AMD bring out 890fx chipset, just for the shitty 1090t it was nothing the 790fx couldn't handle. you ripped off customers and you don't have enuf to do that . i hope your shitty chip sucks.
FUCK YOU AMD

At least AMD motherboards are compatible with all their processors so I can upgrade the CPU anytime I want ! Not like Intel core ix which force you to upgrade to one generation only !

 

[WarEagleAU]

I am glad they are going with a new chipset and socket. Bless them for being backwards compatible for so long. I don't mind spending more money for this new architecture. Also, according to that link for circuits?? it was saying that the new processor chipset and socket would be backwards compatible with AM3 procs, at least that is how I took it, I Could be wrong.

Cant wait to see this come out. IF it gets closer to the i7 I will be more than happy.

 

[JATownes]

I understand that this was initially planned to run on AM3, but as technology advances, changes have to be made. Look at LGA1366 from Intel, it is EOL next year to make way for LGA2011. AM2+ and AM3 have had a very long run, but it is time to be replaced.

Lets face it though. If you are worried about upgrade costs, a 1090t on a CHIV will last a few more years without the need for an upgrade. And if you are one who needs the "latest and greatest" changing sockets is just a way of life. It happens, and we should be thankful it happens, or we would all still be stuck on DDR with single cores. SKT754 & SKT939 had a very short life span, and AMD rectified that (IMO) with the AM2+/AM3 socket (And the PHII with dual memory controllers). I am hopeful that their next socket will have an equally impressive life span.

 

[Anarchy0110]

Can't wait for this one to shoots out AMD FTW !!!!

 

[Valdez]

Ok guys, we got two important information:
-not backwards compatible with AM3,
-50% higher performance-per-watt compared to Shanghai and Istanbul.

Anyone can tell me a Corei7 or a Phenom2 how much faster than Shanghai or Istanbul?

They not comparing it to shanghai and istanbul, but magny-cours which is a 8 or 12 core processor. (which is based on deneb core, like phenom II)

More details: http://products.amd.com/en-us/OpteronCPUResult.aspx?f1=AMD+Opteron™+6100+Series+Processor

 

[link2009]

I'm sorry admins but allowing "PaNiC"'s posts in this thread was a mistake and it has slightly reduced my respect for the site. Every other member except him are trying to contribute to the topic at hand while he is trolling everyone and insulting left and right.

There are mature people here and respect should be given to everyone.

Now to be on topic... I really hope that Bulldozer pans out to be what everyone is making it out to be, a real-world competitor to the i7 and (possibly) Sandy bridge.

 

[wolf]

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/cpu/amd/FAD2009/desktoproadmap.jpg

thats all I was asking for, thankyou

 

[Anarchy0110]

Btw no backward compatible to AM3 ??? C'mon

 

[naram-sin]

I understand that this was initially planned to run on AM3, but as technology advances, changes have to be made. Look at LGA1366 from Intel, it is EOL next year to make way for LGA2011. AM2+ and AM3 have had a very long run, but it is time to be replaced.

Lets face it though. If you are worried about upgrade costs, a 1090t on a CHIV will last a few more years without the need for an upgrade. And if you are one who needs the "latest and greatest" changing sockets is just a way of life. It happens, and we should be thankful it happens, or we would all still be stuck on DDR with single cores. SKT754 & SKT939 had a very short life span, and AMD rectified that (IMO) with the AM2+/AM3 socket (And the PHII with dual memory controllers). I am hopeful that their next socket will have an equally impressive life span.

Best point regarding the backward compatibility of Bulldozer, so far.
...can't make a scene if you don't have the green...

 

[PaNiC]

I'm sorry admins but allowing "PaNiC"'s posts in this thread was a mistake and it has slightly reduced my respect for the site. Every other member except him are trying to contribute to the topic at hand while he is trolling everyone and insulting left and right.

There are mature people here and respect should be given to everyone.

Now to be on topic... I really hope that Bulldozer pans out to be what everyone is making it out to be, a real-world competitor to the i7 and (possibly) Sandy bridge.

trolling would mean i'm an intel fan boy or something, im just making my point that there was no need for the 890fx and to mislead people. like AMD did.
fact: people call me an emo first and i own a amd. im not a fanboy

 

[Valdez]

trolling would mean i'm an intel fan boy or something, im just making my point that there was no need for the 890fx and to mislead people. like AMD did.

infact we have a lot of chipset we don't need... and a lot of processors, gpu-s... this market is just like this, face it.

Anyway it's your job (if you are interested) to choose the best to your needs. If you have chosen wrong, it's only your fault.

 

[Bloodcrazz]

I'm sorry admins but allowing "PaNiC"'s posts in this thread was a mistake and it has slightly reduced my respect for the site. Every other member except him are trying to contribute to the topic at hand while he is trolling everyone and insulting left and right.

There are mature people here and respect should be given to everyone.

Now to be on topic... I really hope that Bulldozer pans out to be what everyone is making it out to be, a real-world competitor to the i7 and (possibly) Sandy bridge.

I dont think that "PaNiC" insulted anyone at all.
Im pretty sure that he was having a go at AMD not at any person.
Its called freedom of speech hence this being a FORUM.

 

[inferKNOX]

It's your argument you google it.


If this is a new socket, wonder if they will change cooling attachment design?


And also I am loving this "modular" design, that mean they can have numerous types of the processor, all at different prices. Say a low end one wouldn't have much but a top end would have everything. Or am I missing the point?

+1!!
I really don't want to have to change from my Prolimatech Mega Shadow! Although I'm sure they'll just release a fresh retention kit for the new socket.

lolwat

Can you just quit it, we're not interested in your rant!:shadedshu
I can't believe people like you that complain about AMD's new CPU not being backward compatible, when they've been making all their others backward compatible for so long! Get over it, the world can't be on hold forever, the only way to make significant changes is to make things radically different and not backwards compatible.
“Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore.” -Andre Gide


This CPU sounds like it's gonna be great and I really looking forward to it!

 

[wolf]

this thread has been going downhill since page 1.

 

[JATownes]

trolling would mean i'm an intel fan boy or something, im just making my point that there was no need for the 890fx and to mislead people. like AMD did.
fact: people call me an emo first and i own a amd. im not a fanboy

Just to be clear. AMD 890FX was added to included SATA 6GBs and USB 3...IIRC, those are the only real changes, and they were needed for some people running these devices.

 

[JATownes]

my rant isn't about the chip been backwards compatible its about AMD saying it's was going be and then change there mind after i pay top dollar for what is now a usless board.

please read befor you post... and yet im trolling

You could always send it to me

 

[PaNiC]

Just to be clear. AMD 890FX was added to included SATA 6GBs and USB 3...IIRC, those are the only real changes, and they were needed for some people running these devices.

usb 3 isnt native

 

[naram-sin]

trolling would mean i'm an intel fan boy or something, im just making my point that there was no need for the 890fx and to mislead people. like AMD did.

That is completely untrue. Many needed 8xx chipsets, and in many cases it is these chipsests that have made way for better results of AM3 processors. Google some comparative reviews of 7xx and 8xx chipsets. And 8xx chipsets are more advanced (new tech) and have better peripheral performance than than 7xx chipsets. Especially, since 7xx are here almost since AM2 socket...

Btw, there was an "issue" with core unlocking.

With all of that and, as previously said, this wasn't misleading, this was just a change of plans...

Now, I'll stop MY ranting. OaO

EDIT:

usb 3 isnt native

SATAIII is.

 

[Bloodcrazz]

+1!!
I really don't want to have to change from my Prolimatech Mega Shadow! Although I'm sure they'll just release a fresh retention kit for the new socket.


Can you just quit it, we're not interested in your rant!:shadedshu
I can't believe people like you that complain about AMD's new CPU not being backward compatible, when they've been making all their others backward compatible for so long! Get over it, the world can't be on hold forever, the only way to make significant changes is to make things radically different and not backwards compatible.
“Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore.” -Andre Gide


This CPU sounds like it's gonna be great and I really looking forward to it!

If u read the earlier posts he was talking about AMD saying there releasing the AM3 socket on the bulldozer and AMD changed there minds.
After Millions of ppl bought AM3 socketed cpus believing they would be compatible.
And now they have changed the socket on the Bulldozer.
AMD by law have given false and misleading information regarding the Bulldozer.

 

[Valdez]

usb 3 isnt native

I doesn't make any difference... oh maybe it costs 1 $ more...