AMD Releases ATI Catalyst 10.8 WHQL Software Suite

[Mussels]

have they fixed the idle clocks issue when overclocking with these drivers?

thats been answered already.

 

[buggalugs]

have they fixed the idle clocks issue when overclocking with these drivers?

Its not an issue its a feature. They cant keep everyone happy without giving consumers control of their 2D clocks in CCC. Some want the higher 2D clocks some dont.

Bios flashing isnt good enough for the masses, most of whom never heard of TPU.

I got a bone to pick with W1zzard concerning the new 10.8 drivers.

On page 7 it says the following:


I purchased a 5870 based on the reviews posted on TPU and other sites and at the time no review contained any warnings about lock ups or faulty drivers. Given that most people who would purchase a $400 GPU will more than likely be using 2 monitors it seems extremely relevant to inform them that if they use 2 monitors the cursor will become corrupted and your system will crash.

Meanwhile, before 10.5 it was impossible to overclock using multiple monitors without the screens starting to flicker. Something that seems very hard for reviewers to not have noticed given that they all overclock the cards and these cards are designed for use with 3 monitors.

I'm happy that these issues have finally been resolved but it would have been nice to have been told about them BEFORE we made the purchase and it should not have taken almost a year for these issues to be acknowledged by ATI and be fixed.

I hope reviewers do a better job informing consumers of the next generation of video cards.

Thats a bit unfair. Just because you have problems doesnt mean Wizzard or everybody else has problems.

The issue you speak of and other issues like the grey stripe issue only affected a small amount of users. Most people like me have never had issues with the 5870.

 

[Nick89]

I really wish we saw some major performance increases for GTA IV. I waited until I could afford a 5870 to buy that game, and it runs like manure!

GTA IV is more CPU dependent than GPU dependent.

 

[Nick89]

Sure if you dont mind a 4 gigawatt heat furnace sitting in your PC, that costs a fortune. I rather stick to the red side untill Nvidia has corrected its mistakes.

Damn I loved the 8, 9 and some of the 200 series. But there latest cards are just below standard. Atleast, not the quality I am used to from Nvidia. Heat and powerconsumption do mind, thank you very much.

Heat isn't as bad as they say it is.

 

[SK-1]

What did I do? I uninstalled 10.7, used driver cleaner pro, now my pc hangs on the Win7 loading screen!!! Halp!

I can do Safe mode, but even with all startup programs stopped(via msconfig) windows still hangs!!

What do I do?

 

[cadaveca]

System restore, and retry uninstall without driver cleaner.

 

[SK-1]

Got it fixed. 10.8 crashed to desktop in BC2 after about 20min.

 

[cadaveca]

CTD is a server kick, more often than not. I get it within seconds of entering specific servers(seems they don't like me kicking thier ass, but i guess my attitude/reputation doesn't help that one, either, can't play on alot of Canadian clan servers, seems they no like me), but I get on friendly servers, and never have any issues.

I've got two indentical rigs now to test my issues with my 5870's, as well as GTX480 rig...no matter what rig I use, I get CTD always from the same servers...might be a server issue, I guess, but you know me, paranoid/delusional.

Anyway, there's a driver fix for the nV side of things, apparantly, but I've yet to try it as of yet...got me some chicken pox instead.

 

[DRDNA]

I remember this now! using HDMI into my 40" HDTV, it was always 15% overscan, had to go into CCC and slide it down to 0%, how very odd indeed.

Where the heck is this feature located exactly?

You're a sexy blond woman? Can I put it in your pooper?

Wow great minds think alike! Last picture I saw of her she wasn't a blond but definitely worthy of a pooper poking as well as a poking any where else she finds acceptable!

Erm... well I guess just this one time is fine

Hot damn Princess Technician of the pantherx12 clan, hows about you come hang with me for a while! Ready to cross the pond?

 

[Marineborn]

yeah im still sticking with 10.4's if it aint broke and running smooth dont fix it. lol

 

[Bobington]

Thats a bit unfair. Just because you have problems doesnt mean Wizzard or everybody else has problems.

The issue you speak of and other issues like the grey stripe issue only affected a small amount of users. Most people like me have never had issues with the 5870.

Given that the bug happens if you run 2+ monitors and run Windows 7 it's safe to say there are thousands of people who have been experiencing this problem since release last year. It's easy to reproduce and should have been noticed by at least one reviewer.

Nor did I say this was the only problem, also mentioned the multi-monitor flicker bug, and you could also mention the GSOD caused by a faulty memory controller in 5xxx.

These problems have already been acknowledged by ATI so I'm not sure why people insist on continuing to deny them, and some basic googling will find plenty of people pissed off about them.

The point remains that this is essentially a big ticket purchase and even after reading about a dozen reviews, none of these bugs were mentioned by reviewers. So what exactly is the point of "reviews" if you don't come out knowing what to expect from your purchase.

 

[deadlyrhythm]

to bad the 4870x2 support is "left4dead" ... pun intended

i'm still at catalyst 10.2 !!

 

[AphexDreamer]

to bad the 4870x2 support is "left4dead" ... pun intended

i'm still at catalyst 10.2 !!

Well done there deadly

on the other side, I am sad for you.

 

[fullinfusion]

Keep in mind guys they also updated the SB drivers to 10.8.

Where in the driver do you see the SB drivers?

I looked and didn't see them.

 

[cadaveca]

Where in the driver do you see the SB drivers?

I looked and didn't see them.

Yeah, they reall screwed that one up..I cannot get to it at all now(normally you'd have to do some screwy navigation to find it), but could yesterday.

Sending in MSGs right NAOW!!

 

[fullinfusion]

Yeah, they reall screwed that one up..I cannot get to it at all now(normally you'd have to do some screwy navigation to find it), but could yesterday.

Sending in MSGs right NAOW!!

Sweet, keep us posted bro

 

[cadaveca]

Sweet, keep us posted bro

I Twitter'd Terry Makedon. He likes to ignore me though.


Also submitted driver feedback(OMG!!! AMAZING THAT WORKS!!!!)




Don't count on my efforts actually making a difference...hit them up too.

Anyway, normally you'd find that under the motherboard/integrated driver section...they have the AHCI driver there, but no SB driver(It's a seperate package).

I've got the driver...if need be tomorrow I'll upload it to a free hosting site.

EDIT: you can get them here:

http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/integrated_vista64.aspx

if that version is not for your OS, please click the bolded "download graphics drivers" on left side, then chose the proper OS.

 

[fullinfusion]

I Twitter'd Terry Makedon. He likes to ignore me though.


Also submitted driver feedback(OMG!!! AMAZING THAT WORKS!!!!)




Don't count on my efforts actually making a difference...hit them up too.

Anyway, normally you'd find that under the motherboard/integrated driver section...they have the AHCI driver there, but no SB driver(It's a seperate package).

I've got the driver...if need be tomorrow I'll upload it to a free hosting site.

can you uplaod it now pleazze?

this is fast as hell and nothing to enter for your info
HERE

 

[cadaveca]

OK, so, on to testing...


BF BC2, AA and V-Sync broken. Crossfire gives microstutter, first time I've seen it with 5-series. Using the "improved" CAT 10.8a profiles, which where to host performance fixes for CFX scaling...seems they broke other things to get the performacne at this point...

Moving to next app.

EDIT: brought these problems into ATi's attention via other avenues. Will update this post if these issues change.

 

[fullinfusion]

Im keeping these drivers, for the games I play it works real well with my 5970.

The screen looks way better then the 10.4's did, games have so much depth, also look so much better... I also like the ability to change the core and memory idle clocks from the standard 157mhZ - 300mhz to 400MHz - 1010MHz with out making a custom profile.

Just a 5mhz bump, and click applie.... and up go the clocks ! temps also seem to be running about 3-5c lower then the 10.4 driver.

Dirt 2 has never looked more real till now!

This is my driver of choice for sure!

 

[streetfighter 2]

I just checked and apparently 10.8 is compatible with Stream SDK2.2. (source)

Due to this fact I'm considering upgrading my drivers from 10.5.

I also like the ability to change the core and memory idle clocks from the standard 157mhZ - 300mhz to 400MHz - 1010MHz with out making a custom profile.

Out of curiosity, why would you want to do that? Using a Kill-A-Watt and running those 400/1000 idle clocks my computer consumes around 20W more at idle.

 

[fullinfusion]

I just checked and apparently 10.8 is compatible with Stream SDK2.1. (source)

Due to this fact I'm considering upgrading my drivers from 10.5.



Out of curiosity, why would you want to do that?

Just testing the cold bug bro, that's all.

I haven't received my Ncrapia gpu as a back up yet so I'm not flashing to the new bios till then..

But all in all it's been a long time sense I've been happy with shitty ATI drivers till now...

I will put my self up for an Infraction from Blackpanther the cool moderator to prove He'll love these drivers.

 

[Mussels]

I just checked and apparently 10.8 is compatible with Stream SDK2.2. (source)

Due to this fact I'm considering upgrading my drivers from 10.5.



Out of curiosity, why would you want to do that? Using a Kill-A-Watt and running those 400/1000 idle clocks my computer consumes around 20W more at idle.

my 5870 goes up 35W, which aint that bad... but i can imagine in hotter weather it could cause the fan to spin up off its silent setting at idle on occasion, which would be irritating.

 

[inferKNOX]

He probably should review all the features of a card though eh?

After all its not just frame rates we buy cards for.

Personally, I blame them for not doing Eyefinity reviews...and I've said this before. If these reviews were done, they'd ahve seen these issues, and I feel pretty confident that W1zz would have reported it...that wouldn't look good for AMD.

I too would like W1zz to include Eyefinity setups in the benchmarks (or plain Eyefinity benchmarks) now that the tech has been established! That would be a very nice read! ;-)
Who's with me?

What did I do? I uninstalled 10.7, used driver cleaner pro, now my pc hangs on the Win7 loading screen!!! Halp!

I can do Safe mode, but even with all startup programs stopped(via msconfig) windows still hangs!!

What do I do?

Driver Cleaner scrambled my system too when I used it. Had to end up reinstalling the OS, because games, etc were crashing on launch.
Never using it again for anything but last resort cases.

Just testing the cold bug bro, that's all.

Cold Bug?
I'm not getting how this "higher clocks at idle" thing is a good one, or a feature as Mussels says. What is it meant to resolve exactly?
I've been hoping it's a bug that they're gonna fix too, coz the lower the idle clocks are, the better IMO, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[streetfighter 2]

Just testing the cold bug bro, that's all.
. . .
But all in all it's been a long time sense I've been happy with shitty ATI drivers till now...

I wasn't aware that the HD 5970 had a cold bug. Fascinating.

These drivers are damn skippy. I just upgraded from 10.5 because the Stream SDK2.2 support was confirmed and I gotta say the difference is night and day in some of my games.

my 5870 goes up 35W, which aint that bad... but i can imagine in hotter weather it could cause the fan to spin up off its silent setting at idle on occasion, which would be irritating.

To be honest I was just recalling the number from memory and I wouldn't be surprised to find out I was wrong. I sincerely doubt the fan could account for a greater than 10W difference (thats assuming that regular idle is 27W per the ATI spec in my faded memory).

I'm as nuts about power saving as I am about performance. I wrote a program that automatically engages my CCC profiles on a per game basis (similar to a feature in RivaTuner/ATI Tray Tools) because I found some games run stable at higher clocks and some games run just swell at lower than stock clocks. When a game is exited the program defaults to a specified profile, in my case 157/300 idle clocks. The result is a satisfying (and automatic) power savings. Do you think I should make it available on the forums?

Cold Bug?
I'm not getting how this "higher clocks at idle" thing is a good one, or a feature as Mussels says. What is it meant to resolve exactly?
I've been hoping it's a bug that they're gonna fix too, coz the lower the idle clocks are, the better IMO, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

I googled it and apparently the HD 5970 can suffer from a cold bug while under water cooling (or anything more extreme I'd imagine). A cold bug is the term used to refer to a hardware boot failure due to hardware temperatures being too low. At least I'm pretty sure...