The AMD Phenom II OC'ers Club

[Hunt3r]

tried lowering the timings to 9-9-9-24-28, or gave a notch more voltage to the NB and/or Mem,already?

maybe your IMC is acting up... and, because you got ripjaws and AMD i would try to clock for timings... bandwith (MHZ) is not so important for Phenoms, as it is for Core Procs and i7´s
i would try to get 1333 with the lowest timings possible, if i were you

I'll try to do what you said might help.Thank you

 

[Velvet Wafer]

I'll try to do what you said might help.Thank you

its know, that certain procs, and certain boards, and certain combinations of both, may render higher dividers, and especially the last and highest one, inusable. Its kinda an AMD disease, and only was solved partly in the latest x6 procs.
Same did happen to me,with Ripjaws, and using the highest stable divider and a set of tight timings, also not only brought me stability,but also enabled me to clock my NB higher... thats whats next on your plan, once you get your ram to run optimally

no problem to help,of course, the information i just told was mentioned at least a dozen times in this thread, but i felt it may be a little harsh to let you search about 450 pages for it
im glad if i was able help

 

[Hunt3r]

its know, that certain procs, and certain boards, and certain combinations of both, may render higher dividers, and especially the last and highest one, inusable. Its kinda an AMD disease, and only was solved partly in the latest x6 procs.
Same did happen to me,with Ripjaws, and using the highest stable divider and a set of tight timings, also not only brought me stability,but also enabled me to clock my NB higher... thats whats next on your plan, once you get your ram to run optimally

no problem to help,of course, the information i just told was mentioned at least a dozen times in this thread, but i felt it may be a little harsh to let you search about 450 pages for it
im glad if i was able help

Yeah sure, I think the best thing is to let these memories running at 1600MHz with stability, than on 1700Mhz without stability.

 

[Magikherbs]

I'll try to do what you said might help.Thank you

My guess is you have the ram installed on the dimms closest to the cpu/hsf. My manual tells me the blue slots are better for OC'ing, btw. Try the other 2 dimms and keep in mind that Phenom II's memory controller max default speed is 1333mhz. Anything over that will OC it and greatly increase your temps aswell. If you move your ram and run it at 1333, your cpu/core temps will drop 10-15C and your system will be stable.
What thermal paste do you use ? What are your temps ? I swear by Arctic Silver 5.

 

[Magikherbs]

I'll try to do what you said might help.Thank you

Almost forgot ! .. What volts do your cpu and ram show? If I leave my bios settngs at 'auto', the ram is set to 1.6v, even though the specs say 1.5v. . Same the cpu. When I OC it to 3.5ghz, the vcore is auto set to 1.4v . I have it at 1.3v and it keeps the temps waay down hehe... and stable ! Ive never had a crash at these settings

 

[Velvet Wafer]

Yeah sure, I think the best thing is to let these memories running at 1600MHz with stability, than on 1700Mhz without stability.

1600mhz is the 800 divider... if you want 1600, you would have to begin with the 667 divider, and work your way up to 1600, using the HTT (is 200 stock). just dont forget that you overclock the rest of the system too, when you do that. So be sure to check on NB speed, HT speed and CPU clocks.

My guess is you have the ram installed on the dimms closest to the cpu/hsf. My manual tells me the blue slots are better for OC'ing, btw. Try the other 2 dimms and keep in mind that Phenom II's memory controller max default speed is 1333mhz. Anything over that will OC it and greatly increase your temps aswell. If you move your ram and run it at 1333, your cpu/core temps will drop 10-15C and your system will be stable.

What thermal paste do you use ? What are your temps ? I swear by Arctic Silver 5.
Almost forgot ! .. What volts do your cpu and ram show? If I leave my bios settngs at 'auto', the ram is set to 1.6v, even though the specs say 1.5v. . Same the cpu. When I OC it to 3.5ghz, the vcore is auto set to 1.4v . I have it at 1.3v and it keeps the temps waay down hehe... and stable ! Ive never had a crash at these settings

WHUT? 10-15c are simply impossible... only if your case has no case fans, heaps of cramped cables, and otherwise no noticeable airflow... but i also dont think that you measured that, i bet its more an "over the thumb" guess... be sure, DDR3 wont even get warm, not even with a flimsy HS... i can run my ripjaws for weeks at 1250 5-6-5-12-16 1.7v, and if i remove them, they are only handwarm, at max.
Some Sorts of DDR2 are burning tho, especially those with high stock volts like 2.2-2.4. In a worst case scenario, these might raise your case temperatur by 10c, but sorry, no DDR3
Whats right tho, is that 1333 is the official max for phenom 2 procs. some can do more, but only some. 1333 should be the bottom room for each phenom, a frequency which each Proc will work at.

i also got a tip for you: if you OC, never let anything on Auto. Leaving it on Auto will kill a Puppie,each time you start the Rig!

Just kidding , but Autosettings should never be chosen, if you OC, really... they can introduce instabilities, or even feed dangerous volts to the component you volt... i had a boards that used Autovolts, that would kill a proc in no time. Depends on the Board.

And, i also would not use AS5. Its highly conductive and can kill Hardware in no time if it gets in the Socket of an LGA processor, or on a ceramic cap beneath the GPU.
i would use MX-2, also from the same company, Arctic Cooling. It should be equivalent, if not even a little better, regarding temps, is nonconductive, and should hold for 8 years without the need for beeing changed.
Also, its much,much cheaper, because its made from ceramics instead of pure micronized silver.
i used liquid metal, and silver paste before, and believe me, the feeling not beeing able to fuck something up, due to some stupid TIM, is worth the change by much

Finally: Please edit your existing comment, if you forgot something, and dont double post... thise way its very difficult for the admins to keep order in this Forums. That would be very nice

 

[de.das.dude]

someone help me with my ram timings when overclocked.

what are these timings actually and how does changing them help?

 

[Magikherbs]

1600mhz is the 800 divider... if you want 1600, you would have to begin with the 667 divider, and work your way up to 1600, using the HTT (is 200 stock). just dont forget that you overclock the rest of the system too, when you do that. So be sure to check on NB speed, HT speed and CPU clocks.




WHUT? 10-15c are simply impossible... only if your case has no case fans, heaps of cramped cables, and otherwise no noticeable airflow... but i also dont think that you measured that, i bet its more an "over the thumb" guess... be sure, DDR3 wont even get warm, not even with a flimsy HS... i can run my ripjaws for weeks at 1250 5-6-5-12-16 1.7v, and if i remove them, they are only handwarm, at max.
Some Sorts of DDR2 are burning tho, especially those with high stock volts like 2.2-2.4. In a worst case scenario, these might raise your case temperatur by 10c, but sorry, no DDR3
Whats right tho, is that 1333 is the official max for phenom 2 procs. some can do more, but only some. 1333 should be the bottom room for each phenom, a frequency which each Proc will work at.

i also got a tip for you: if you OC, never let anything on Auto. Leaving it on Auto will kill a Puppie,each time you start the Rig!

Just kidding , but Autosettings should never be chosen, if you OC, really... they can introduce instabilities, or even feed dangerous volts to the component you volt... i had a boards that used Autovolts, that would kill a proc in no time. Depends on the Board.

And, i also would not use AS5. Its highly conductive and can kill Hardware in no time if it gets in the Socket of an LGA processor, or on a ceramic cap beneath the GPU.
i would use MX-2, also from the same company, Arctic Cooling. It should be equivalent, if not even a little better, regarding temps, is nonconductive, and should hold for 8 years without the need for beeing changed.
Also, its much,much cheaper, because its made from ceramics instead of pure micronized silver.
i used liquid metal, and silver paste before, and believe me, the feeling not beeing able to fuck something up, due to some stupid TIM, is worth the change by much

Finally: Please edit your existing comment, if you forgot something, and dont double post... thise way its very difficult for the admins to keep order in this Forums. That would be very nice

No worries on the double posts heh.. good to know b/c Im still a bit of a forum nooob

Here are all the bios settings I have manually set. Any tips would be sweet !
Cpu 17.5x 200mhz, Cpu volts 1.3v, NB and HT speed @2000mhz, Dram @1333, 1.5v , Dram CR 2T( 1T if left at auto/default), Dram timing 9-9-9-24 with everything else at auto/default, SMART enabled, Cool n Quiet disabled, Virtualization enabled.. thinking... lol

When my ram was installed using the black dimms/@1600mhz/1.5v, the cpu would idle at about 48C. Setting the ram to 1333mhz brought it down to 42C. *Huge thanks to Julio at Amd tech support for the tip !* Then a week later I found out about the blue dimms and moved the ram over. What a bonus it was to see the cpu drop to 38C. Another week or so later the AS5,Arctic Silver 5 kicked in and I have not seen my cpu/core idle temps higher than 35C/31C, load 46C/46C, ever since. Core idle temps usually bounce between 27-30C btw Gpu idle/load = 31-36C/40-45C

I knew that AS5 is alittle risky, and should have mentioned something on that.. my bad..
I use the plastic bag/finger spread method to ensure I never use too much.
How often should AS5 be changed?

p E A C e

 

[YautjaLord]

The Nvidia site says you need 600w for one and too bad the never list the Amps. heh

Plz check out how I got my temps down... my posts are down the page abit..
Trouble overclocking GTX260

600W for all components, (CPU, GPU, RAM, etc...) not one f***ing card. What are you talking about ? 950W will be sufficient for another card & i don't yet see 1500W PSUs in market at all. I got 1000W from corsair, guess it will power 'em up real good.

About lowering temps : you got GTX 260, i got 2xGTX 280s & both GPUs fans @ 100% speed & the temps still not low. Thanx nevertheless. Plus i think about staying with Phenom II 955BE, til Bulldozer (AMD's octo-core) comes out (Q1/Q2 2011). Phenom II 955BE @ 4.2GHz on watercooling (courtsey of Swiftech) sounds good enough to me. Plus i'll switch to DDR3 & nForce 980a SLI by the end of this month. Thanx dude. Take care.

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2Magikherbs :

Mushkin memsticks are CL7 or 6 & they DDR3 1600MHz. The lower the latency the better is what ? Tell me if i should go for these. Thanx.

 

[YautjaLord]

Just dl'ed BIOSes & QVLs for M4N98TD-EVO. Support for 6-core AMD CPUs, high frequency/low latency DDR3 RAM, etc.... PSU, HDD, OS, CPU stays the same, graphics card(s), mobo, RAM, cooling, case - changing. Upgrade phase at it's worse.

 

[Magikherbs]

600W for all components, (CPU, GPU, RAM, etc...) not one f***ing card. What are you talking about ? 950W will be sufficient for another card & i don't yet see 1500W PSUs in market at all. I got 1000W from corsair, guess it will power 'em up real good.

About lowering temps : you got GTX 260, i got 2xGTX 280s & both GPUs fans @ 100% speed & the temps still not low. Thanx nevertheless. Plus i think about staying with Phenom II 955BE, til Bulldozer (AMD's octo-core) comes out (Q1/Q2 2011). Phenom II 955BE @ 4.2GHz on watercooling (courtsey of Swiftech) sounds good enough to me. Plus i'll switch to DDR3 & nForce 980a SLI by the end of this month. Thanx dude. Take care.

*EDIT*

2Magikherbs :

Mushkin memsticks are CL7 or 6 & they DDR3 1600MHz. The lower the latency the better is what ? Tell me if i should go for these. Thanx.

Dont have much/if any exp with ram timings. My ram default specs are CL9 9-9-9-24 2T. If I leave the timings on Auto, @1600mhz, I get 11-11-11-30 1T ! I emailed Otis at Gskill and these timings were offered as alternatives...

"For 7-7-7-20, you can try run 1600MHZ or 1333MHZ.
Both are fine.
But if you want to run 1600mhz, I suggest star running 8-9-9-24, 8-9-8-24,8-8-8-24,7-8-8-24,7-8-7-24,7-7-7-24."

I tried a few of these configs, with little or no improvement. Although, the warning Sisandra gave me about my ram latencies did go away when I tried 8-8-8-24.
At about 1000mhz dram, many/most cpus and/or its memory controller, cant handle the speed/bandwith, thus the bottleneck. When I run my cpu at stock 3.1ghz, Passmark shows a memory score of about 920marks. Not much more than my previous DDR2 800 sys would score, using the same cpu. @3.5ghz = 1030 marks. Memory scores went up by 12%, keeping pace with the 13% OC on the cpu. The only gains Ive seen are the temps when running DRAM @1600mhz

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=604&card2=608

Could 1000W be enough ? This says the max power draw is 183W (x2 sli). Add in 80-140w for your Cpu and guestimate 250-300w for the mobo/hdd/ram ect.. prob overkill lol
How many 12v rails/Amps ?

GPU fan speeds..
Im no rocket scientist but logic tells me you might get better circulation if you knocked the GPU fan speeds down. Especially if there is little or no space between your cards. At 100% you are forcing/disrupting the air flow, and creating dead zones. Let it circulate lol. A pic of what your rig's innards look like might help shed some clues.

 

[Hunt3r]

My guess is you have the ram installed on the dimms closest to the cpu/hsf. My manual tells me the blue slots are better for OC'ing, btw. Try the other 2 dimms and keep in mind that Phenom II's memory controller max default speed is 1333mhz. Anything over that will OC it and greatly increase your temps aswell. If you move your ram and run it at 1333, your cpu/core temps will drop 10-15C and your system will be stable.
What thermal paste do you use ? What are your temps ? I swear by Arctic Silver 5.

I'm using the settings that way

what is best for overclocking asus croshair formula 4 or a gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7?
my next mission

 

[Magikherbs]

I'm using the settings that way

what is best for overclocking asus croshair formula 4 or a gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7?
my next mission

Speedfan wont show all your temps if you dont 'run as administrator'. Its important to do that on ANY shortcut/ .exe file. Like when installing drivers, games ect.
Its up to you if you want Cool and Quiet off, but expect higher load temps. I can tell from your cpuz that its on.

Both boards have extra copper so if it was up to me.. I'd flip a coin !

Just noticed it can do dual 3way Gpus .. !!

 

[YautjaLord]

How many 12v rails/Amps ?

This PSU :

http://www.corsair.com/products/hx1000/default.aspx

Guestimated 1000W is overkill (not to confuse with metalband of the same name, lol). Yet i am tempted now by that AX1200W. Take care dude, thanx for advice.

 

[de.das.dude]

how can i get the new heatsink from AMD?? i bought my x4 945 last month and only got a crappy alumnium puny sized 60mm heatsink + fan.

 

[Wile E]

how can i get the new heatsink from AMD?? i bought my x4 945 last month and only got a crappy alumnium puny sized 60mm heatsink + fan.

You can't. You have to buy one.

 

[de.das.dude]

i just sent a complaint that my things were getting too hot.

 

[Wile E]

i just sent a complaint that my things were getting too hot.

They'll probably tell you to buy a cooler. lol.

You should be buying a proper cooler anyway, not using AMD coolers.

 

[de.das.dude]

yeah... this one makes a lot of noise. irritating noise. krrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....

i have around 25$. i think i will buy the HYPER TX3. thats the only one which will fit in my mini-tower.

 

[brandonwh64]

The only stock AMD coolers that are any good are the 3 heat pipe version with copper bottoms, those would cool my unlocked Phenom II @ 3.2ghz pretty good

 

[Magikherbs]

yeah... this one makes a lot of noise. irritating noise. krrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....

i have around 25$. i think i will buy the HYPER TX3. thats the only one which will fit in my mini-tower.

There is nothing wrong with the new Amd stock HSFs. If you inform them, nicely, that the alluminum ones suck lol, and about your noisey fan, they will send you a new one. Its hard for me to believe they would find the old HSFs acceptable for use with Phenom IIs. :shadedshu
How do you like my 'ram cooler' ? hehe

 

[de.das.dude]

nice. but i rma'd them the day before yesterday and still they havent replied....

 

[Magikherbs]

nice. but i rma'd them the day before yesterday and still they havent replied....

Theres a toll free number on the RMA page that shows your ticket number. But I'd wait another day or two for a response, b/c I dont think they work on weekends.

 

[de.das.dude]

i sent another one from india's RMA link.

 

[brandonwh64]

Ive noticed here latly that this thread has become more about overclocking RAM than Phenom IIs LOLz