NVIDIA to Counter Radeon HD 6970 ''Cayman'' with GeForce GTX 580

[cadaveca]

Meh, shit happens, you have to hope they learned from their mistakes and will make it better to the end user the next round.

Considering that J.H. Huang admitted that mismanagement of the Fermi development process was truly the problem that lead to all the issues pre-release, this is truly a crucial point of time for nV right now, from an investor perspective. Huang screwed up, admitting that, and investors will be paying very close attention to nV's actual business success this time, rather than product performance.

Really, while people like us are the common end user of nv's products, Fermi was a very poor showing of business, and any issues must be fixed, controlled, and turned around in a very efficient manner, or investors, who truly motivate nV as a company, will be pulling out even more than they have the past 18 months.

"Shit happens" isn't gonna fly this time. Huang said basically the same tihng, so that excuse has dried up at the well, and they filled in the hole, too.

OMG the commas kill me.

 

[CDdude55]

Considering that J.H. Huang admitted that mismanagement of the Fermi development process was truly the problem that lead to all the issues pre-release, this is truly a crucial point of time for nV right now, from an investor perspective. Huang screwed up, admitting that, and investors will be paying very close attention to nV's actual business success this time, rather than product performance.

Really, while people like us are the common end user of nv's products, Fermi was a very poor showing of business, and any issues must be fixed, controlled, and turned around in a very efficient manner, or investors, who truly motivate nV as a company, will be pulling out even more than they have the past 18 months.

"Shit happens" isn't gonna fly this time. Huang said basically the same tihng, so that excuse has dried up at the well, and they filled in the hole, too.

OMG the commas kill me.

Yes, i agree. I'm not saying it's ok to screw up multiple times in a row.

 

[Benetanegia]

Considering that J.H. Huang admitted that mismanagement of the Fermi development process was truly the problem that lead to all the issues pre-release, this is truly a crucial point of time for nV right now, from an investor perspective. Huang screwed up, admitting that, and investors will be paying very close attention to nV's actual business success this time, rather than product performance.

Really, while people like us are the common end user of nv's products, Fermi was a very poor showing of business, and any issues must be fixed, controlled, and turned around in a very efficient manner, or investors, who truly motivate nV as a company, will be pulling out even more than they have the past 18 months.

"Shit happens" isn't gonna fly this time. Huang said basically the same tihng, so that excuse has dried up at the well, and they filled in the hole, too.

OMG the commas kill me.

I think that investors, at least the clever ones, should be happy. Fermi had one goal, to open up a new and profitable market while staying as competitive as posible in the consumer area. Well, there IS a new market that Fermi has opened and it's doing quite well honestly. All the big names making servers have at least one product incorporating Fermi cards and that's a lot to say*.

Also there is interest in the product and the capabilities, if anyone saw the GTC, there's a lot of actual companies using Fermi for amazing things and you can see they are getting ostensible benefits from the use of it**.

So i think that's something that can only grow, at least for the next 2-5 years and is a good way to become relevant in something more than the volatile gaming crowd and I think that's something investors care for, so they should be at least semi-happy.

I said semi-happy, because yes it could have been better, but it's been good so far. Also the new Quadro cards kick FirePro cards in the arse big time (50%-100% faster), and the professional GPU market has been the only segment of the semiconductor market that has seen an increase since the recession I believe, so any superiority in that market should put at least half a smile in investor's face IMO.


Reminder for fanboys:

* It took I think 15 years of attempts and 3-4 different chips to Intel and AMD to enter these same market, so think twice before trying to underestimate this achievement.

** We are talking about CEO from companies with really big names that have revenues 10 to 50 times higher than Nvidia and would eat them for lunch if they were hungry, so please Ati fanboys and general trolls, refrain from the typical "he's been paid to say that" that seems so unavoidable for some of you you to say whenever a developer of any kind praises anything Nvidia does.

 

[Wiselnvestor]

I think that investors, at least the clever ones, should GTFO while you still can.

I can smell lowered 4Q revenue coming.

 

[cadaveca]

I think that investors, at least the clever ones, should GTFO while you still can.

I can smell lowered 4Q revenue coming.

AMD's release is critical. WTF do you tihnk there's no real concrete info ut yet, so close to release?




As if there is any other reason.

 

[lism]

This one is for Ati. Much better performance, TDP's and extra's, nvidia is rereleasing their 490 and rebranding towards 580.

 

[fullinfusion]

AMD's release is critical. WTF do you tihnk there's no real concrete info ut yet, so close to release?




As if there is any other reason.

Cad with all your problems, I believe this gpu is going to be the card that stops ya from having all your issues...

I cant say much... i already have but like I said 2 yrs ago I have blood working in Toronto.

Troy tells me there isn't going to be issues with drivers like the 5 series drivers has,... that's all

 

[Benetanegia]

I think that investors, at least the clever ones, should GTFO while you still can.

I can smell lowered 4Q revenue coming.

Aaah how many clueless AMD investors said the same 2 years ago and sold their shares for $2-4... how easy the path was made for clever ones to buy more AMD shares instead and double their inversion is just 6 months...

 

[fullinfusion]

Aaah how many clueless AMD investors said the same 2 years ago and sold their shares for $2-4... how easy the path was made for clever ones to buy more AMD shares instead and double their inversion is just 6 months...

Really, are you one of them? who cares about stock? Do you buy Amd Hardware because of the stock prices? I doubt it.... you buy because of the results!

Wow

 

[Benetanegia]

Really, are you one of them? who cares about stock? Do you buy Amd Hardware because of the stock prices? I doubt it.... you buy because of the results!

Wow

This has nothing to do with hardware. Read above, they are saying that everything about Fermi was bad for investors. I'm saying that not everything was bad for clever ones, because there are good prospects for te recent future. Clever ones know that Fermi being late is going to make shares fall, they do know better than anyone that their shares are going to deprecate in the next couple of quarters probably, but they also know that instead of selling in order to try to cut loses, it's better to buy from those who are peeing themselves and wait for the profits in a not so distant future.

One thing is clear, the most clever investors (though of a different type) sold Nvidia shares MONTHS ago, just after shares topped out and started falling. Anyone who still has Nvidia shares now and sells them now, it's plainly stupid. Period.

 

[erocker]

Aaah how many clueless AMD investors said the same 2 years ago and sold their shares for $2-4... how easy the path was made for clever ones to buy more AMD shares instead and double their inversion is just 6 months...

Lol. I bought my shares at $11 bucks a pop. Then Phenom came out.... I just don't understand some of these fools who sell so low. If you have stock and it drops that low, it should then be considered a (very) long term investment.

 

[Benetanegia]

Lol. I bought my shares at $11 bucks a pop. Then Phenom came out.... I just don't understand some of these fools who sell so low. If you have stock and it drops that low, it should then be considered a (very) long term investment.

Exactly. Either you sell as soon as they start to fall, or you wait. Selling while they're falling is the most stupid thing you can do.

 

[AsRock]

As i have always said, TPU is generally bias towards ATI/AMD cards. People can disagree, but I've been here for around 3 years and have seen this crap run rampant for a while now unfortunately..

As stated above, how about we wait for the card to at least see it's system specs confirmed and we have some official announcements from Nvidia themselves, but, something tells me this type of irrational thinking will just happen again in those threads too..

The shit happens all the time and both are as bad ATI or nvidia fans. It's the a way to make people wait till both companys have there shit sorted so they have a better chance of you buying the later and not the 1st.

 

[phanbuey]

Exactly. Either you sell as soon as they start to fall, or you wait. Selling while they're falling is the most stupid thing you can do.

not really. thats a common misconception, especially if there are better investments out there. Just because a stock fell and you lost money on it, you shouldn't hold the shares in hopes of "making it up." Especially if there is a better investment you could put your money into.

fallen stock=sunk cost. people want to hold on to stocks that fell in hopes of earning their money back. in this case it paid off, in some most cases.

 

[erocker]

not really. thats a common misconception, especially if there are better investments out there. Just because a stock fell and you lost money on it, you shouldn't hold the shares in hopes of "making it up." Especially if there is a better investment you could put your money into.

fallen stock=sunk cost. people want to hold on to stocks that fell in hopes of earning their money back. in this case it paid off, in some most cases.

Perhaps in a bull market where there are many stocks doing well. Buying high and selling low in the current market is not wise. Doing so would be trading one long term investment for another. Though it does depend on how much loss you have and how much of a "sure deal" you would have investing in something else. I feel sorry for those who bought AMD stock when it was over $20 a share.

I have lots of investments in stock. The mentality you describe is what a lot of recent "Wall Street losers" have done recently. The parameters of logic in the market changes, it is not constant. Going by one set of logic in a time when the market does not go with that logic is a bad move. When the market is flat like it is right now, one should concentrate on long term and safe stocks. Bad time to sell like the rest of the sheeple have been doing. There is no quick money to be made right now.

In a short time may be a good time to buy Nvidia stock. Now is a great time to buy AMD stock.

 

[Makaveli]

This thread was an interesting read even with all the BS and speculation.

 

[Benetanegia]

not really. thats a common misconception, especially if there are better investments out there. Just because a stock fell and you lost money on it, you shouldn't hold the shares in hopes of "making it up." Especially if there is a better investment you could put your money into.

fallen stock=sunk cost. people want to hold on to stocks that fell in hopes of earning their money back. in this case it paid off, in some most cases.

Yes, if you have something that you know 100% sure that's going to give you money, then maybe, you could jump to that thing. But that never happens (legally ), or in very few cases, and most people that do that end up falling in a loop: sell -> buy another thing -> sell when it falls (loss) -> buy another thing -> sell (loss) and so on.

EDIT: OR in the best case you end up like Erocker said, exchanging long term for long term. The reason that what I said above happens is psycological actually. People that sell because shares have been falling for several months, also typically only buy shares that have been on the rise for several months, so there's nothing to be made there, they are always 2 or 3 steps behind. Most usually they buy sell, 2 months away from the change, so they lose either money or their time and effort.

In any case, I never said that it's not best to sell when they start falling, but after many months of falling shares the only smart thing is to hold on, again unless you are 100% sure that you are going to profit from another one, which is never the case. You should never put all your eggs in one basket anyway, so having some not profiting for a few months shuld never be a problem. If you do, well you are a bad investor to begin with.

The best investors in the Forbes list almost ALWAYS sell when the shares are still growing (just before the fall) and buy shares when they are low and still falling. Investing is all about having balls, balls to say: this is enough profit, time to invest into the next "sinking boat".

 

[Imsochobo]

Aaah how many clueless AMD investors said the same 2 years ago and sold their shares for $2-4... how easy the path was made for clever ones to buy more AMD shares instead and double their inversion is just 6 months...

I sold nvidia stocks, went over to amd at 2 and sold again at 8.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

hmm, It seems when it's Nvidia news, everybody complains..:shadedshu

This is good news and i hope for the best so we can get some solid competition going, lets get some of these prices down!!!!

I agree.

AMD fanboys scream the loudest. I just want to see GPU tech progressing. TBH with architectural changes like we see in Fermi display much better innovation and especially for its use in scientific research. I know most don't think of this, but curing diseases through GPU tech is much more important than FPS or power consumption. Nvidia is doing fine with FPS but needs to go a little greener if possible. I like both companies. Hate is never a good thing guys.

 

[wolf]

personally I can't wait till nividia's next GPU's are out and about

 

[bear jesus]

I like both companies. Hate is never a good thing guys.

I agree, even fanboys shoudl like the other company as they help push their favourite company to make even better products.

For the past decade or more since i stopped using 3dfx after my 3500-tv (yes i was a bit of a 3dfx fanboy back then but i was a teenage bear give me a break ) i have been constantly swapping between nvidia and ati all depending on what they can give me for the money i can spend, everyone should love both companys as even if they both do things that annoy people (renaming, rebranding, fail with software now and then, etc) in the end we win as we keep getting insane ammounts more comute power each generation recently and is that not what we all want?

I'm always looking forward to every new release like right now i am excited abut the next year for kepler and southern islands, bulldozer and sandy bridge, i will never really care who makes them it's all about what they can do, i just wish everyone else could think in a simmilar way (yes i know things like support and drivers effect why people like specfic companys but those are things that constantly change with new product cycles).

*end early morning coffee lacking rant*

 

[mdsx1950]

Not everyone who doesn't like nVidia's decisions are fanboys. I personally have lost hopes of getting a powerhouse nVidia card as their GTX 480 was not upto my standard. And they never did release any other cards. (GTX485 etc) And the GTX 4xx series took way to long to come out. So instead i went and bought a GTX260 for PhysX. nVidia was awesome. Not anymore IMO.

 

[bear jesus]

Not everyone who doesn't like nVidia's decisions are fanboys. I personally have lost hopes of getting a powerhouse nVidia card as their GTX 480 was not upto my standard. And they never did release any other cards. (GTX485 etc) And the GTX 4xx series took way to long to come out. So instead i went and bought a GTX260 for PhysX. nVidia was awesome. Not anymore IMO.

I can understand not being very impressed with them this round, out of all the 4xx cards the only one thats interested me is the 460 and going by your current and past rigs a couple 1gb 460s would be step backwards, but i'm sure if they came out with a new card that thrashed AMD's card and didnt suck up crazy ammounts of power you would happly get one?... or four

 

[mdsx1950]

I can understand not being very impressed with them this round, out of all the 4xx cards the only one thats interested me is the 460 and going by your current and past rigs a couple 1gb 460s would be step backwards, but i'm sure if they came out with a new card that thrashed AMD's card and didnt suck up crazy ammounts of power you would happly get one?... or four

Well before i got the GTX260. I was waiting and waiting for their flagship card. Still no sign of it. :'( But yes i would have happily got four xD

 

[bear jesus]

Well before i got the GTX260. I was waiting and waiting for their flagship card. Still no sign of it. :'(

I know the feeling, around this time last year i was expecting to see both ati and nvidia release some awesome cards for me to choose between but then fermi got delayed so i though i would wait to see what they offer and by the time i worked out i would not be seeing a full fat card the rumors of the new ati cards were coming out... i'm still waiting for my gpu upgrade after near a year so right now i really don't care what nvidia will bring out in whatever time frame its supposed to be as i very much doubt it would be before the end of the year so i'm just going to see whats around before the end of the year and treat myself to 3 new monitors and a new gpu or 2... but i will always be jelous of your rig

I don't expect nvidia to bring out anything that awesome untill they start on 28nm chips, i just hope they can release them close to amd's 28m gpu's so that there is no stupidly long waiting time to see what both are like to make a good choice.