Official AMD Radeon 6000 Series Discussion Thread

[bear jesus]

what they are saying is just like what happened with the 3xxx series it replaced the 2xxx with no preformance benefit just lower power like we have in 6xxx than 5 mounths after
came the 4xxx series with a big preformance boost here is an example:
2900 replaced by 3870 no preformance boost
2600 xt replaced by 3650- 3650 slower then 2600 xt
then came 4xxx :
3870 replaced by 4870 big preformance boost
4670 replaced 3650 110% preformance boost
so from what i see the 6xxx series is just like 3xxx less watt the same preformance i think in less then 6 month from now 7xxx will come with over 60%-100% in all levels
but a gain power increase so avoid 6xxx it no last long

But really the 6870 replaces the 5770, i would say that's a nice jump in power this generation.

 

[TheMailMan78]

But really the 6870 replaces the 5770, i would say that's a nice jump in power this generation.

You are correct. He is incorrect.

 

[meirb111]

But really the 6870 replaces the 5770, i would say that's a nice jump in power this generation.

not really it is just price cut with new model number nothing more ,only less watt but then
who upgrades for only less watt

 

[bear jesus]

You are correct. He is incorrect.

Ok i agree that is not exactly right but it makes things seam much better if you think
5870 - 6970
5850 - 6950
5770 - 6870
5750 - 6850
5670 - 5770 (rebranded)
5650 - 5750 (rebranded)

 

[JATownes]

what they are saying is just like what happened with the 3xxx series it replaced the 2xxx with no preformance benefit just lower power like we have in 6xxx than 5 mounths after
came the 4xxx series with a big preformance boost here is an example:
2900 replaced by 3870 no preformance boost
2600 xt replaced by 3650- 3650 slower then 2600 xt
then came 4xxx :
3870 replaced by 4870 big preformance boost
4670 replaced 3650 110% preformance boost
so from what i see the 6xxx series is just like 3xxx less watt the same preformance i think in less then 6 month from now 7xxx will come with over 60%-100% in all levels but an increase in power so avoid 6xxx it will not last long

Disagree. The 6850/6870 are MIDRANGE CARDS!!! They replace the 5750/5770. This has been stated REPEATEDLY. The 6950/6970 will launch in November to replace the 5850/5870.

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But really the 6870 replaces the 5770, i would say that's a nice jump in power this generation.

You are correct. He is incorrect.

Ok i agree that is not exactly right but it makes things seam much better if you think
5870 - 6970
5850 - 6950
5770 - 6870
5750 - 6850
5670 - 5770 (rebranded)
5650 - 5750 (rebranded)

I AM SURROUNDED BY NINJAS

 

[TheMailMan78]

not really it is just price cut with new model number nothing more ,only less watt but then
who upgrades for only less watt

Did you not read any reviews? You couldn't be more wrong.

Ok i agree that is not exactly right but it makes things seam much better if you think
5870 - 6970
5850 - 6950
5770 - 6870
5750 - 6850
5670 - 5770 (rebranded)
5650 - 5750 (rebranded)

Pretty much. Not so sure about the last two.

 

[bear jesus]

Pretty much. Not so sure about the last two.

As far as i had read i thought that was the way it was going to go and i think the 5670 to 5770 is an ok jump in power for the low end although i don't know if they will fit with the pricing, i geuss only time will tell.

 

[entropy13]

There's no 5650 though.

So it goes like this:
5970 - 6990?
5870 - 6970
5850 - 6950
5770 - 6870
5750 - 6850
5670 - 6770 (rebranded from 5770?)
5570 - 6750 (rebranded from 5750?)
5550 - 6670?
etc.

The 6000 generation seems to be a development FOR THE BETTER of their naming. No more specific series with having TOO MANY cards (3 like the 5800 series or more: like 4800 series) - 6990 would be an exception if this would push through as it is a dual-gpu solution - and no more specific series with only ONE card.

3870 just only matching up HD 2900 XT in terms of performance is misleading. That's what the 3870X2 is for, the 3870 wasn't the best of its generation (like the HD 2900 XT was for the HD 2000 series).

 

[bear jesus]

There's no 5650 though.

So it goes like this:
5970 - 6990?
5870 - 6970
5850 - 6950
5770 - 6870
5750 - 6850
5670 - 6770 (rebranded from 5770?)
5570 - 6750 (rebranded from 5750?)
5550 - 6670?
etc.

I failed on that one, i assumed both the 400 sp cards were 56xx, i think you are right on the last ones in that list although i know nothing about a 6670.

 

[Tatty_Two]

not really it is just price cut with new model number nothing more ,only less watt but then
who upgrades for only less watt

Lol, how wrong you can be, you missed out the most important single factor (or chose to), and that is that it is significantly faster, and that is why people will upgrade to it, how do you think two HD 6850's (think HD 5750 replacement in placement terms) in Crossfire can beat/match a GTX480 and an HD5970 for performance on half the price or so?

 

[3volvedcombat]

Literally, lets screw the video card code names, AMD's just took a dump and mind !&#@# all of you basically.

You all are in a arguing trance, as we speak, debating, and debating what you debated.

Look its just the perfect time for everybody to speculate and debate, some people dont know, some people do, I dont even know how to post this without sounding like im debating 25 different GPU code names, While AMD debates to us, there naming scheme.

Id just say, Keep it simple,

They basically raised all Numeral Values of there 6000 series naming schemes up one.

So AMD says, ohh, were ganna name these supposedly 6700 cards, to 6800 cards, because there just that fast, and we want to make room for more low end video cards.

Everything just bumped up a level on there 6000 series naming scheme, there going to have a full 6900 series now, and there will be 6890's and 6990's .

 

[ERazer]

somebody got confuse with the naming scheme cant blame him

 

[bear jesus]

Literally, lets screw the video card code names, AMD's just took a dump and mind !&#@# all of you basically.

You all are in a arguing trance, as we speak, debating, and debating what you debated.

true

One thing it has definatly done is make people talk more about AMD and their cards so in a way it has been a good thing just to keep people talking about them.

 

[erocker]

Looks like the 6 series from AMD and the mythical 5 series from Nvidia are just going to be transition parts anyways. Cards released for competition's sake. I'm going to be pursuing my other hobbies and not be wasting my money on computer parts for a while. Once 28nm hits, I may become more interested again. Then again, it all depends on what Cayman actually is...

*If people are still confused by a naming scheme, they need to learn how to read or just go buy a console and leave computer building to people who can read.


VV That's rather obvious.

 

[bear jesus]

Looks like the 6 series from AMD and the mythical 5 series from Nvidia are just going to be transition parts anyways. Cards released for competition's sake. I'm going to be pursuing my other hobbies and not be wasting my money on computer parts for a while. Once 28nm hits, I may become more interested again.

If i had upgraded to the 4xx or 5xxx cards i would agree but for everyone with the old 2xx or 4xxx cards the 5xx and 6xxx cards wll make for nice upgrades.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

Barts are not a replacement for 5700 series (Aka Juniper)

5700 is a going concern, partners and OEM's still want it; Barts is not a replacement for Juniper so you can't give it a name that would indicate that. Not every product stack is nicely going to align to everyone's worldview of how things ar supposed to be and you have to make choices based on that; there was never going to be a clean solution no matter what you do. When you look back at the history of the series, though, this is actually the most consistent, it unfortuante that the inconsistency was the 5800, but that decision had already been made when the roadmap changes for NI were underway.

And there is nothing about making it look attractive to 5800 users, I simply do not see how that works. Absolutely this is a good path for 4800 users - it sits in the same bracket of products and makes a great upgrade for this users holding out on the first gen of DX11 and looking for something in a similar price bracket.
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[meirb111]

you are all wrong 5770 is 140$ 5850 is 180$ so you pay 40$ more. you get nothing
it all markting scheme

 

[TheMailMan78]

you are all wrong 5770 is 140$ 5850 is 180$ so you pay 40$ more. you get nothing
it all markting scheme

Fail post is fail.

 

[bear jesus]

you are all wrong 5770 is 140$ 5850 is 180$ so you pay 40$ more. you get nothing
it all markting scheme

Fail post is fail.

Hahaha so true

 

[yogurt_21]

Barts are not a replacement for 5700 series (Aka Juniper)

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well think about it, juniper isn't being replaced so of course barts isn't a replacement for something that's not beign replaced.

juniper is being rebranded so barts is merely a midrange market segment replacement not a juniper replacment.

it doesn't change the fact that when people are refering to juniper they mean the midrange of the 5000 series and when they're talking about barts, they mean the midrange of the 6000 series.

is barts more expensive than juniper at launch? yes, does that suddeny make barts not a midrange? no. it just means that nvidia isn't offerening enough competition in that segment for amd to price barts lower and it doesn't seem like they will be for a while yet. So why not reap the price benefit?

 

[entropy13]

you are all wrong 5770 is 140$ 5850 is 180$ so you pay 40$ more. you get nothing
it all markting scheme

"meirb111: All Your Base Are Belong To Us.
meirb111: You are on the way to destruction.
Us: What you say!!
meirb111: You have no chance to survive make your time.
meirb111: Ha ha ha ha.... "

 

[TheMailMan78]

"meirb111: All Your Base Are Belong To Us.
meirb111: You are on the way to destruction.
Us: What you say!!
meirb111: You have no chance to survive make your time.
meirb111: Ha ha ha ha.... "

I lol'd

 

[Volkszorn88]

you are all wrong 5770 is 140$ 5850 is 180$ so you pay 40$ more. you get nothing
it all markting scheme

lolwut?

 

[bear jesus]

this thread has taken a pretty amusing change in topic.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

well think about it, juniper isn't being replaced so of course barts isn't a replacement for something that's not beign replaced.

juniper is being rebranded so barts is merely a midrange market segment replacement not a juniper replacment.

it doesn't change the fact that when people are refering to juniper they mean the midrange of the 5000 series and when they're talking about barts, they mean the midrange of the 6000 series.

is barts more expensive than juniper at launch? yes, does that suddeny make barts not a midrange? no. it just means that nvidia isn't offerening enough competition in that segment for amd to price barts lower and it doesn't seem like they will be for a while yet. So why not reap the price benefit?

According to the slides Juniper is not being rebranded but continued. If more 5700 series are made available after the 6000 series launch they were not rebranded.