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Call Of Duty : Black Ops (official thread)

BumbleBee said:
yeah it's okay if your Blizzard...

Black Ops has grossed $1 billion. it has sold 851k copies on PC and 16 million copies on consoles.
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im so lost.. ur contradicting yourself


IM FREAKIN OUT MANNNNNNNNNN
 
just because 4 millions internet pirates downloaded the game does not mean they lost 4 million copies. I suppose those pirates may be playing single player... GAY.
 
AnomalouS said:
just because 4 millions internet pirates downloaded the game does not mean they lost 4 million copies. I suppose those pirates may be playing single player... GAY.
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SP only for piratez!



thats the stupid part about the whole argument... people who pirate it, werent gunna buy it.

and some who pirated it, did buy it afterwards.
 
TweakGuides wrote an article on piracy recently it's actually pretty good.

Cevat Yerli of Crytek, the makers of Far Cry, Crysis and Crysis Warhead has publicly stated:

We are suffering currently from the huge piracy that is encompassing Crysis. We seem to lead the charts in piracy by a large margin, a chart leading that is not desirable. I believe that’s the core problem of PC Gaming, piracy, to the degree [that PC gamers who] pirate games inherently destroy the platform. Similar games on consoles sell factors of 4-5 more. It was a big lesson for us and I believe we won’t have PC exclusives as we did with Crysis in future.

John Carmack, often called the 'father of PC gaming', and co-founder of id software, makers of the Doom and Quake series, recently stated:

It's hard to second guess exactly what the reasons are. You can say piracy. You can say user migration, but the ground truth is just that the sales numbers on the PC are not what they used to be and are not what they are on the consoles.

Cliffy B, lead creator at Epic Games, makers of the Unreal Tournament and Gears of Wars series, has been quite outspoken on this topic:

Here's the problem right now; the person who is savvy enough to want to have a good PC to upgrade their video card, is a person who is savvy enough to know bit torrent to know all the elements so they can pirate software. Therefore, high-end videogames are suffering very much on the PC. Right now, it makes sense for us to focus on Xbox 360 for a number of reasons. Not least PCs with multiple configurations and piracy.

Chris Taylor of Gas Powered Games, makers of Supreme Commander, also chimes in with his assessment:

...people are going to stop making [games] on the PC because of my earlier point, what's happened on the PC with piracy. The economics are ugly right now on the PC. You're not going to see these gigantic, epic investments of dollars on the PC when it just doesn't work. The economics have to work. You're going to see those investments made on the console side and it's going to become a more console-centric investment. And then you're going to see them ported back over to the PC and that creates a different experience on the PC.

Robert Bowling, Community Manager at Infinity Ward, the makers of games such as Call of Duty 2 and Call of Duty 4, provided a fairly blunt opinion on the issue. He made a blog post entitled 'They Wonder Why People Don’t Make PC Games Any More', the title of his post along with the contents clearly linking the move away from PC game development with piracy:

On another PC related note, we pulled some disturbing numbers this past week about the amount of PC players currently playing Multiplayer (which was fantastic). What wasn’t fantastic was the percentage of those numbers who were playing on stolen copies of the game on stolen / cracked CD keys of pirated copies (and that was only people playing online).... the amount of people who pirate PC games is astounding.
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Thank god for indie games and developers then, because while I see pirating as a huge issue...as Mussels said, some that pirate the game weren't going to buy it in the first place...which removes them from the demographic of possible customer/consumer.

Bring some demos back, or limited play times...pay attention to how the indie folks are doing it, regular updates, involved with gaming community and other developers, etc. A lot of these big budget game developers want to stay big, and that's fine, but with the current gen consoles...I know many people who left PC gaming for console gaming, got a 50" hdtv and were happier overall..less headaches, less BS, just replace the burnt out 360 every once in a while or deal with slightly crappier performance on a PS3 is about all I hear from them.

The PC market might be smaller, and sure there's a lot of guys that pirate games, we expect a good product, most games released to PC are crap at launch...take Black Ops for instance...I haven't played much of this game after the first week or two I had it. I doubt I'll ever buy a CoD game again after this crap experience...looks like I should've stuck with CoD4 in all honesty. CoD4 had a demo, was a solid performing game and fun as hell, with mod support, extra free maps, solid server browser, etc. All it really missed was a buddy list in-game, which isn't really a necessity with teamspeak, steam, etc.

My take in pirating games for those that potentially want to buy a title is to use it as a demo per-say. See if it works, if the game is a bug ridden crap investment that will only create frustration and emptier wallets on one side, and "we make it crap becauze we getz no moniez because if piratez". It's all quite annoying really, I just spent close to $80 on games this weekend on steam sales...I didn't need to, but I did. I buy $100's worth of games every year, to play on my ever aging pc, and deal with bugs, patches, glitches, driver issues, etc...all of which Consoles see far less of. Being an honest gamer is soon gonna be a rich man's hobbie...which is unfortunate on both sides. But like I said before, at least we have the indie market, god bless the indie market.

/end rant

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demos are a BIG issue.


i know a lot of people who pirate, simply because they dont want to risk paying for a game they cant run.

they'd get a demo if it existed, but it doesnt - so pirating it is.
 
Mussels said:
demos are a BIG issue.


i know a lot of people who pirate, simply because they dont want to risk paying for a game they cant run.

they'd get a demo if it existed, but it doesnt - so pirating it is.
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I agree. Demos would help stop pirating far more then Secure Rom. I think developers don't release Demos because they know their game sucks.....in some cases.
 
So is this game worth buying now or does it still suck?
 
ShiBDiB said:
Theirs better options imo
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A lot are better. The single player is OK, but the Multiplayer is
just MW2 after hitting middle age. I swear I wish I wouldn't have bought it at full price. My son talked me into it, but I should of know because he kept telling me to give MW2 a chance. JMO ;) Don't flame me MW2 and BO fans. It isn't because I get my ass handed to me. That happens in every game I play. I enjoy BFBC2 and kind of like Vietnam and I like MOH. I just haven't really cared for COD sense 4.
 
TheMailMan78 said:
So is this game worth buying now or does it still suck?
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Wait...bargain bin...go indie, go back to BC2. One thing this game made me appreciate was BC2 and CoD4. Both of which I play more...though if you're up to it, grab Arma 2 Combined Ops from Amazon Game Download for $12.50. I am hooked on the Arma series, BC2 is 2nd. This game is the most disappointing title of the year for me..though this year was better for strategy than shooting in my gaming collection! :D
 
Kursah said:
Wait...bargain bin...go indie, go back to BC2. One thing this game made me appreciate was BC2 and CoD4. Both of which I play more...though if you're up to it, grab Arma 2 Combined Ops from Amazon Game Download for $12.50. I am hooked on the Arma series, BC2 is 2nd. This game is the most disappointing title of the year for me..though this year was better for strategy than shooting in my gaming collection! :D
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I totally agree. I may have to check out Arma 2. I played the demo and didn't like it much at the time, but I had just started play BFBC2. How about Homefront,
what do you think about the trailers on that Kusah ? What do you think of MOH ? I play the MP and haevn't even tried to beat the SP. That is usually a good sign.
 
I'm hopeful for Homefront, same people that made FFoW which was a blast in the beta, then too 2GB+ worth of patches and over a year to be good again. It served a good gap when BF2/2142 and CoD4 got old. So Homefront has a chance to be good and crap at the same time, I expect it to be as every other PC release a buggy game...I just hope not nearly as bad as CoD BO or FFoW and many others.

I haven't played MoH, watched my roommate play it on his PS3...was good enough for me...seems like a limited BC2 with smaller maps. That and $60 didn't seem worth it. Though now I'd rather have spent that money on MoH vs BO. But you're right that is a good sign, I hear it has a solid SP game too.

Arma 2 and Operation Arrowhead are unique, sure they have issues, and bugs...but all the stuff you can do is amazing. The graphics are good, tons of mods, tons of weapons, vehicles, aircraft, etc. They're also part strategy in that you can build and control an Army. MP is a hoot with friends and teamspeak. But why most hate these games is because they're a sim, so they're harder, the learning curve is very steep at first with a lot of controls...learning how to make the AI work for you (because it's not the best and you will say WTF quite a few times), tweaking the graphics. There's a lot to it, but once you get the game tuned, get yourself tuned to it, and be ready to die very easily, it can be great. Enough about that for now..but yeah I think Arma 2 pretty much rocks...it's been patched to hell and still is patched frequently, which I would rather see than devs giving up and moving on completely. And even when that happens the mods...tons of them. Check out Armaholic.com . Arma 2 Combined Ops ftw!

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what about Operation Flashpoint: Red River
 
Red River is also being developed for consoles like every other game (damn near), except for Arma (again, damn near! lol!), which is still a PC title. The modern OpFlash is Arcade + dab of sim...I only tried about 5 minutes of Dragon Rising (got it on the $3 steam sale)...and hated it. Made me appreciate Arma 2 more. I expect Red River will be the same, can't make it too hard and won't dedicate enough to the PC version to truly make it special, at least that's what I'm expecting from Codemasters. I'll stick to Arma thanks, and CoD4/BC 2 for arcade, and wait for BF3 for mp/arcade/sim mixed right.

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TheMailMan78 said:
So is this game worth buying now or does it still suck?
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I got this game for Christmas and it's worth it IMO. Multiplayer is great only if you don't get a sissy ass server that kicks you for being too pRo. Graphics are meh...like Crysis on medium lol
 
hmm I seem to play fine but I notice some people kill me before I can see them and on the kill cam it shows them aiming with ample time but on my end its like wtf pwn. Would this changing config.ini work for me? I like the game for what it is however i wish it had larger battlefields and more players like CoD4. The other day at the very start of a map somone threw a tomahawk across the map and lucky me it hit and killed me instanty the guy jizzed in his pants and cyber flexed, I was like omg really this map just started and im dead in like 2 sec.
 
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I have found a few bugs in this game since i started playing it just after xmas, this is all gotta do with Multiplayer or zombies.

I have found a few areas on maps that i cant shoot through, like the gaps in the wooden railing in one of the maps. Also one of the truck bonnets is like a foot longer then what it shows lol. I have tele-ported from one side of the map to the other just after a flash bang, that got me realy confused. I find you can knife anyone at a range of 8 feet or more WTF? Also when you miss with your knife and they knife you and you drop to the ground it changes back to your main weapon first then goes to your hand gun for last stand, by then its to late ya dead, realy annoying. I find when trying to join a m8s zombie game after he sends me an invite i join some other randoms game????

Thats just the ones i can remember, im sure there is more, o yea there is, the scope that shows heat, the blue one ( i cant remember its name) but when i zoom in on it it lags up my mouse alot :S
 
Melvis said:
I have found a few bugs in this game since i started playing it just after xmas, this is all gotta do with Multiplayer or zombies.

I have found a few areas on maps that i cant shoot through, like the gaps in the wooden railing in one of the maps. Also one of the truck bonnets is like a foot longer then what it shows lol. I have tele-ported from one side of the map to the other just after a flash bang, that got me realy confused. I find you can knife anyone at a range of 8 feet or more WTF? Also when you miss with your knife and they knife you and you drop to the ground it changes back to your main weapon first then goes to your hand gun for last stand, by then its to late ya dead, realy annoying. I find when trying to join a m8s zombie game after he sends me an invite i join some other randoms game????

Thats just the ones i can remember, im sure there is more, o yea there is, the scope that shows heat, the blue one ( i cant remember its name) but when i zoom in on it it lags up my mouse alot :S
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:shadedshu Treyarch.. what a backwater uninspired dev team
 
Well i just have a new issue, after the game updated Direct X and some VR file :S the game refuses to launch now, even when i change drivers, anyone have any idea why? or how to fix this?

Edit: Nvm, fixed it.
 
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