AMD FX Making a Comeback, to Challenge Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition

[cdawall]

Fact of the matter is that Intel IS better than AMD, performance-wise. I don't caer about cost, power consumption, etc...just real performance. I wish INtel's chips were cheaper, and AMD faster, but I'm not one to deny the obvious.


But at the same time...I've spent extensive time with both. The actual performance difference in daily tasks is near zero.


Now, because this news comes so late, and SandbyBridge boards and cpus are floating around, this clearly indicates to me that AMD thinks it can compete with Intel in the high-end segment.

But...is it the 2600K they are fighting? Or the 980X?

Also, donanim haber lists no source, and the details are vague(Turkish site, BTW). So while I think that this may indicate Bulldozer is really good, I cannot say for sure without any real sources for the story...as far as I am concerned, this isn't even news, because there is NO SOURCE!!!



Just keep in mind the 69--series hype, and the letdown there. Don't fall victim to misplaced hype again.


Now, if AND wants to send me some parts, and prove otherwise...My testbench is waiting. Would be nice to have a couple of newer platforms to play with from either side....

C'mon, JF-AMD. Hook a brotha up. I'm only waiting for you, now...

i'm not saying intel isn't better i am saying this isn't an intel vs AMD thread its a AMD is releasing a new product thread personally i think every on of the oh well amd suck go intel posts is thread crapping/trolling and the posters should be warned as such.

 

[Neo4]

Maybe we should open a thread to support AMD FX

Count me in on that.

 

[wolf]

fantastic to see the legendary FX chips making a comeback!

I remember being so jealous of my my friends FX-51 back in the day

good to know too, because it seemed AMD only released them when they kicked ass. so I have high hopes for a new FX enthusiast chip!

Black Editions are awesome and all, but a BE FX would but off the hook

 

[Swamp Monster]

good to know too, because it seemed amd only released them when they kicked ass. So i have high hopes for a new fx enthusiast chip!

+1

 

[Baam]

fantastic to see the legendary FX chips making a comeback!

I remember being so jealous of my my friends FX-51 back in the day

good to know too, because it seemed AMD only released them when they kicked ass. so I have high hopes for a new FX enthusiast chip!

Black Editions are awesome and all, but a BE FX would but off the hook

True, and they had a codename indicating it would kick ass like sledgehammer. I just hope Bulldozer can at least match Intel or come close in performance. Doubt it will roll over Intel like sledgehammer did.

 

[CDdude55]

Back in the Athlon 64 days the FX chips were WAY out of my price range, so im hoping this time they come in at a reasonable price for reasonable performance, otherwise them bringing the FX name back has little significance to me.

 

[cdawall]

Back in the Athlon 64 days the FX chips were WAY out of my price range, so im hoping this time they come in at a reasonable price for reasonable performance, otherwise them bringing the FX name back has little significance to me.

I want the price but I don't want just reasonable performance I want these chips to do what the old ones did and whipe the floor with intels ee chips

 

[wolf]

Back in the Athlon 64 days the FX chips were WAY out of my price range, so im hoping this time they come in at a reasonable price for reasonable performance, otherwise them bringing the FX name back has little significance to me.

+1 to that, I love how reasonable AMD prices are at the moment, Hec I just dropped only ~200 Euro on a 3.2ghz 6 core CPU with an unlocked multiplier, value is selling them a lot of chips. but if it does beat out Intels top of the chop, it will be priced accordingly...

 

[Swamp Monster]

I love how reasonable AMD prices are at the moment, Hec I just dropped only ~200 Euro on a 3.2ghz 6 core CPU with an unlocked multiplier, value is selling them a lot of chips.

Price/performance will be 6 core and 4 core models:
"AMD is seeking to target all market segments, including an enthusiast-grade 8-core segment, a performance 6-core segment, and a mainstream 4-core segment."

So if I can't afford 8 core, then 6 core will still be a kick ass upgrade.

 

[Ferrum Master]

It reminds me of the old "good" days... Yo Ho Ho And A Bottle Of LN2 - Fifteen men on a dead man's chest

I just wonder, these will be just re-branded Opterons again?

 

[(FIH) The Don]

they even wrote Arnolds line wrong:shadedshu

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

cpu wise we will all see what happens in the coming months for those bitching about 6900 series it depends what platform your on AMD cpu 6900 series is faster with the same CPU same ram same clock speeds then a gtx 580 on intel its reversed and its a big gap. Eitherway dosent really matter people really just need to learn to shut the fuck up and buy what they want complain which is better dosent really mean jack you get what you can afford and live with it.

 

[(FIH) The Don]

Eitherway dosent really matter people really just need to learn to shut the fuck up and buy what they want complain which is better dosent really mean jack you get what you can afford and live with it.

Bra-fucking-vo!

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

why thank you i do try and aim to please in a mocking and derogatory manner that and im hungover so glad someone saw the point i was sorta trying to make.

 

[Makaveli]

That's what I and lots of others understood from the prelaunch hype. Just check out the comments after W1zz's review and you'll see what I mean. Disappointing as hell.

Can you imagine how things would be if the performance would have leapfrogged the GTX 580? Performance leapfrogging is what should happen, not almost as good as the competition's previous generation.

Without leapfrogging, graphics advancements are happening at a glacial pace and prices stay high. All this is bad for us, the knowledgeable customers.

I think alot of you guys set yourself up for disappointment.

I never saw anything official from AMD saying they were making a NV killer with a product refresh.

Then you had alot of people just running their mouths off with specs etc yet again nothing official from AMD. This same nonsense happens at every GPU release and people get caught up in the hype drama.

AMD's current vision of not making monster single gpu's and going with dual at the highend works fine for them.

If these cards are such a disappointment why are people buying them?

 

[Mussels]

Fact of the matter is that Intel IS better than AMD, performance-wise.

then you'll be glad to know that AMD can in fact be faster than intel, if you stop looking at such a narrow subset.

look here:


being slower clock vs clock doesnt tell the whole story when they have two more cores. the FX line they mention is going to improve the IPC, and if they maintain the advantage of having more cores then thats going to make quite an impact.

 

[SeanG]

Remember,Amd was first to hit the 1000 mhz mark.I bet that there the first to hit 4000 mhz at stock speeds too.

 

[CDdude55]

then you'll be glad to know that AMD can in fact be faster than intel, if you stop looking at such a narrow subset.

look here:


being slower clock vs clock doesnt tell the whole story when they have two more cores. the FX line they mention is going to improve the IPC, and if they maintain the advantage of having more cores then thats going to make quite an impact.

It's really only in those certain pieces of software that the Phenom II X6 CPU's excel past the i7's, largely the i7's have the upper hand in the majority of software. It definitely is a misconception that the AMD 6 cores just can't compete, because they can, just not on the scale Intel has currently laid out overall. No doubt you'll see the chips trade blows, but ultimately one lineup is overall better in the performance category of things, and right now it's still in Intel's favor.

 

[Mussels]

It's really only in those certain pieces of software that the Phenom II X6 CPU's excel past the i7's, largely the i7's have the upper hand in the majority of software. It definitely is a misconception that the AMD 6 cores just can't compete, because they can, just not on the scale Intel has currently laid out overall. No doubt you'll see the chips trade blows, but ultimately one lineup is overall better in the performance category of things, and right now it's still in Intel's favor.

yes and im not arguing that they dominate anything, or that they are a clear winner - but the i7 doesnt exactly win in every category all the time.

these new CPU's are meant to improve the CPU speed per clock cycle, and if they do a new challenger will have appeared.


it just annoys me when i see people scream 'i7 is faster!' when its certainly not as simple as that. in the encoding i do (handbrake/H264) the AMD 6 cores have quite an advantage over the i7's

 

[suraswami]

All being said about FX line, I hope the big 3 board manufacturers keep up or give the best quality boards to compliment the chip, I mean they better build the boards from ground up, not a patch work and make the chip look bad.

 

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

he said amdx6 is ahead in some areas, read?


Making a comment does not make it a fact.

qq?

not a patch work and make the chip look bad.

You mean like all the normal AMD chipsets?

 

[suraswami]

You mean like all the normal AMD chipsets?

What I meant was use quality high end circuit and design like I see on most I7 platforms. Doesn't matter if the board is based on AMD or NV chipset.

 

[wolf]

speed per clock cycle is IMO what they really need to work on, they've shown they can readily make multi core CPU's like 6 for example, but when a single core @ 3.2ghz competes with intel's @ 2.66-2.8, theres a lot to improve on there.

hec if they can get per core up to Intel's i5/i7 speed or better, and slam down cheap quads, affordable hexa's and high end octo's, that will be fan-freakin-tastic.

 

[bear jesus]

I thought most of the FX models were ones that thrashed Intel parts back in the day when AMD was kicking some major ass, i would hope the fact that AMD wants to bring back the FX line would suggest to me they have a fair bit of faith in what the new bulldozer cores will be able to do.

speed per clock cycle is IMO what they really need to work on, they've shown they can readily make multi core CPU's like 6 for example, but when a single core @ 3.2ghz competes with intel's @ 2.66-2.8, theres a lot to improve on there.

hec if they can get per core up to Intel's i5/i7 speed or better, and slam down cheap quads, affordable hexa's and high end octo's, that will be fan-freakin-tastic.

I agree.

To be honest i would like bulldozer to pass the current i7's as far as IPC goes for them to keep my business for my gaming rig, the main reason i have stayed with AMD so long is because i have been able to keep a combo of CPU, RAM and motherboard for years on end and just grab a single component at a time and my coming upgrade i will be replacing motherboard, CPU and RAM at the same time so Intel and AMD both have a chance at getting my money this year.

I'm probably asking for a lot but really i want bulldozer to beat the i7's clock for clock and preferably be close to sandy bridge, have a good amount of overclocking ability while not costing too much for the 8 core models.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Those prices were yesteryear. I don't see that happening anymore, that would be a kick in the nuts for AMD. I can see approx: $600 max for a super fast Bulldozer based FX CPU but that is about it. Not even Graphics cards should cost that much money. Technology just moves way too fast. You buy something today and tomorrow it's old...

Apparently Intel did not get your memo....

Don't fool yourself. AMD has been price over performance because it HAD TO. What the F#$K would you have expected them to do? Price a 1090T the same as a 980X and expect them to sell with sub-par performance comparatively speaking?

They are bringing back the FX because they think they can. They also know they can charge for the FX name.