Crysis 2 leaked almost 50 days early

AphexDreamer · Feb 21, 2011

1Kurgan1 said:
I'm surprised it seems people are talking about having the pirated copy, not trying to talk about ethics, just thought this was against forum rules.

Either way, still iffy on getting the game myself, prob just get Dues Ex then Duke, and wait for this to go on sale.

If you played the leek, you wouldn't be so iffy.

I pre-ordered off of newegg. One month wait is way to long. :banghead:

Mussels · Feb 21, 2011

1Kurgan1 said:
I'm surprised it seems people are talking about having the pirated copy, not trying to talk about ethics, just thought this was against forum rules.

Either way, still iffy on getting the game myself, prob just get Dues Ex then Duke, and wait for this to go on sale.

its technically not pirated, because of its leak status.

its not a product thats for sale, so you cant really pirate it - similar to how copying pages from a book and quoting its source is not plagiarism.

copying the complete product is definitely illegal, but thats not the case here. its one of those grey areas.

TheMailMan78 · Feb 21, 2011

Mussels said:
its technically not pirated, because of its leak status.

its not a product thats for sale, so you cant really pirate it - similar to how copying pages from a book and quoting its source is not plagiarism.

copying the complete product is definitely illegal, but thats not the case here. its one of those grey areas.

In your mind. Not in the real world.

Mussels · Feb 21, 2011

TheMailMan78 said:
In your mind. Not in the real world.

or in my part of the world, where laws differ.

scaminatrix · Feb 21, 2011

See Kurgan? This is what happened many pages ago. See what you've done? :laugh:

n-ster · Feb 21, 2011

Mussels said:
its technically not pirated, because of its leak status.

its not a product thats for sale, so you cant really pirate it - similar to how copying pages from a book and quoting its source is not plagiarism.

copying the complete product is definitely illegal, but thats not the case here. its one of those grey areas.

Copying half the book in a quote is plagiarism. Why wouldn't it be the same for this leak?

HammerON · Feb 21, 2011

For those that are interested to share their opinion about the ethics / legality of downloading the leaked Crysis 2 game go here:
Is donwloading and playing Crysis 2 legal?

Mussels · Feb 21, 2011

n-ster said:
Copying half the book in a quote is plagiarism. Why wouldn't it be the same for this leak?

it could be, depending on laws.

around here, for it to be counted as piracy you have to prove that someone was disadvantaged by the alleged piracy.

Its hard to do so with this, as it is clearly nowhere near finished enough to be a substitute for the final product. no ones can play this long term, or play this and not bother with the full. its buggy, missing features, and crashes a lot.

can they lose money from it? no, not really. its far, FAR inferior to the finished product which isnt even for sale yet. so how are they disadvantaged? its almost free advertising, which is an advantage instead.

This is why in most cases of software piracy, they charge you with breaking the DRM/copy protection instead of outright piracy. Its much easier to prove and target (and it doesn't apply to this leaked beta, which doesn't have them)

TAViX · Feb 21, 2011

It seems there is a lot of confusion here between an alpha/demo product, and the final/retail one.
ok.
Do you remember a couple of years ago (more than 10) when Internet was mainly dial-up crap and all you could done was check the mail, and surf a little for a prohibited price??
By that time, the only source of information, IT news, reviews, games review, etc, etc, were PC magazines like PC Market, PC Zone, CHIP, Computer Games, Computer Gamer, LEVEL, PC Gaming, etc, etc, etc. I'll continue explaining about Gaming magazines. They provided games reviews made by their crew, but most of them were objective. After you read that magazine, you would have made an image in your head about the game, and decided if it's worth or not to buy that particular game. If the demo were on CD, it was much better. So back then the Internet wasn't a viable option to test or download games. We all remember what happened with the boom of broadband in the '2000s. File sharing was born, thanks to Napster, Kazaa and BitTorrent.
Now the users could SHARE files all over the Internet. It's only illegal if he has an illegal file on his PC, but IT'S NOT illegal if someone else is coping it. (There are a lot of discussions about this, the wire it's full of them).
So for example, if I decide to buy AVATAR DVD than to share it on torrents, it's nothing illegal, since it's MY property, and I do what I want with that!! If some dude buys Crysis DVD and decide to share it with other people, it's hes business and nothing illegal.
If an idiot stole some software and uploaded to torrents, it's illegal TO UPLOAD it, but not illegal for other users to download it!!!! You have to understand something. It's not steeling property, it's just copying it. The ENTIRE fault is of uploader's!

p.s.

Sry for bad Engrish.

Mussels · Feb 21, 2011

TAViX said:
So for example, if I decide to buy AVATAR DVD than to share it on torrents, it's nothing illegal, since it's MY property, and I do what I want with that!! If some dude buys Crysis DVD and decide to share it with other people, it's hes business and nothing illegal.
If an idiot stole some software and uploaded to torrents, it's illegal TO UPLOAD it, but not illegal for other users to download it!!!! You have to understand something. It's not steeling property, it's just copying it. The ENTIRE fault is of uploader's!

p.s.

Sry for bad Engrish.

actually that is illegal, because you have to break the copy protection on the DVD before you can upload it. its also illegal to profit from re-selling copies of it, since they prohibit that too(usually in a warning at the start of the movie)

the second half of your post is correct (did you typo the first half or something? mean the opposite?) in that the people who download it generally arent breaking any laws directly - and thats why they target the people making money from it, and the people uploading it (who had to have cracked the security to do so)

so yes, we had the same opinion with this crysis 2 leak. because they had to break no security, no EULA to breach, and obtained it via legally neutral means... there really isnt anything illegal about it.

Over_Lord · Feb 21, 2011

1Kurgan1 said:
I'm surprised it seems people are talking about having the pirated copy, not trying to talk about ethics, just thought this was against forum rules.

this has been discussed way too many times so here it is again...

We are allowed to talk of the game, compare our fps scores, try cfgs to get DX11 working etc etc, BUT NOT POST LINKS TO THE DOWNLOAD.

Till you do that, you are NOT DOING anything WRONG.

1Kurgan1 · Feb 21, 2011

scaminatrix said:
See Kurgan? This is what happened many pages ago. See what you've done?

I had to ask, I really didn't feel like reading all these pages

thunderising said:
this has been discussed way too many times so here it is again...

We are allowed to talk of the game, compare our fps scores, try cfgs to get DX11 working etc etc, BUT NOT POST LINKS TO THE DOWNLOAD.

Till you do that, you are NOT DOING anything WRONG.

Sounds like robbing a bank, taking pictures of the money, but none of robbing the bank :laugh:

wolf · Feb 21, 2011

I am still suprised to see so many TPU members taking an active part in this leaked copy, by active I mean admitting to having it and talking about its content here. I am dissapointed really, especially by moderators... but hey thats just my opinion and I agree that this particular situation is a bit of a grey area when it comes to right and wrong.

It all depends on your point of view I guess. I mean even if I downloaded and played it I wouldnt admit that in this forum and discuss performance results/story etc, but again maybe thats just me.

Brandenburg · Feb 22, 2011

wolf said:
I am still suprised to see so many TPU members taking an active part in this leaked copy, by active I mean admitting to having it and talking about its content here. I am dissapointed really, especially by moderators... but hey thats just my opinion and I agree that this particular situation is a bit of a grey area when it comes to right and wrong.

It all depends on your point of view I guess. I mean even if I downloaded and played it I wouldn't admit that in this forum and discuss performance results/story etc, but again maybe that's just me.

I too was amazed at this ...Seems like a double standard to me.. rampant hypocrisy

Mussels · Feb 22, 2011

if its not illegal where i am... how is it double standards or hypocrisy?

the mailman can rant about how its illegal all he wants, but what he's really saying is how its illegal where he is.

its like how having a copy of a pirated MP3 is illegal - but who do they target for prosecution? uploads and original rippers only, in australia. and they have to prove it caused damages while they're at it.

If this was the complete game, it'd be a different case. an unfinished, not playable beta cant really case them damages. spoilers to the story wont ruin the sales either.

in north korea its illegal for civillians to have internet access... so being on the internet is illegal. you're all criminals. how can you be such hypocrites to argue one law, while breaking another?

cdawall · Feb 22, 2011

Mussels said:
if its not illegal where i am... how is it double standards or hypocrisy?

the mailman can rant about how its illegal all he wants, but what he's really saying is how its illegal where he is.

its like how having a copy of a pirated MP3 is illegal - but who do they target for prosecution? uploads and original rippers only, in australia. and they have to prove it caused damages while they're at it.

If this was the complete game, it'd be a different case. an unfinished, not playable beta cant really case them damages. spoilers to the story wont ruin the sales either.

in north korea its illegal for civillians to have internet access... so being on the internet is illegal. you're all criminals. how can you be such hypocrites to argue one law, while breaking another?

i knew i liked you for some reason

wolf · Feb 22, 2011

Mussels said:
if its not illegal where i am...

snip

I'm not commenting on legality whatsoever, just that I'm dissapointed in the user base for flaunting it by commenting on the story/performance etc.

if all you need to tell yourself is that it's not illegal, thats cool too, everyone has a different set of morals and ethics.

remember, the moral man knows that it's wrong to download it, wheras the ethical man actually doesn't.

TAViX · Feb 22, 2011

Like I've said before. I'm against piracy, pirates, I'm against cheaters but if I have the chance to test the game before its release I will do it. I'm not hypocrite like some ranters here who wont admit they downloaded the game too. I mean common!!!!
Doesn't make me a thief for trying the game before I WILL buy it???? Because I will definitely buy it, like all great games out there.
So....

Shihab · Feb 23, 2011

TAViX said:
Like I've said before. I'm against piracy, pirates, I'm against cheaters but if I have the chance to test the game before its release I will do it. I'm not hypocrite like some ranters here who wont admit they downloaded the game too. I mean common!!!!
Doesn't make me a thief for trying the game before I WILL buy it???? Because I will definitely buy it, like all great games out there.
So....

That's why demos are released. But the issue here isn't your right to "try" the product. The problem is whether the seller wants to let you try it or not. If so, Then they'de release a demo. If not. Well, it's their product. And the law's by their side. Copying a game is illegal. I dare say every EULA of a game says that. Not something that comes from someone who downloaded more than a terrabyte of pirated games. But as mussels said a above, It depends on where you live. And where I live. I can't get any of these damned games. thanks to our damned government and the US treasury :mad:

.

Back to the main thread subject. Something smells fishy about this leak. And Crytek's response wasn't what someone would expect. It's not the first time a game is leaked, But I still feel something funny about this. Conspiracy theory, anyone ?

AphexDreamer · Feb 23, 2011

Shihabyooo said:
That's why demos are released. But the issue here isn't your right to "try" the product. The problem is whether the seller wants to let you try it or not. If so, Then they'de release a demo. If not. Well, it's their product. And the law's by their side. Copying a game is illegal. I dare say every EULA of a game says that. Not something that comes from someone who downloaded more than a terrabyte of pirated games. But as mussels said a above, It depends on where you live. And where I live. I can't get any of these damned games. thanks to our damned government and the US treasury .

Back to the main thread subject. Something smells fishy about this leak. And Crytek's response wasn't what someone would expect. It's not the first time a game is leaked, But I still feel something funny about this. Conspiracy theory, anyone ?

Page 5 has a couple of conspiracy theories. Mainly by me

cdawall · Feb 23, 2011

so it runs perfectly with my GTX470 and a dual core chip maxed settings at 1440x1050 and 1920x1080. hopefully the real version is able to run well and look good on newer hardware.

TAViX · Feb 24, 2011

Have you ever wonder where all those companies like Microsoft, Blizzard, Intel, AMD would be today WITHOUT the piracy??? I let you think about it big time...

Over_Lord · Feb 24, 2011

yeah, half the world wouldnt' have ever used Windows, thats more than billions of dollars to intel and amd

HalfAHertz · Feb 24, 2011

TAViX said:
Have you ever wonder where all those companies like Microsoft, Blizzard, Intel, AMD would be today WITHOUT the piracy??? I let you think about it big time...

We'd all be using the Amiga 256-XXLD by now, duhh :wtf:

I bet crysis would have looked just as good in 4096 colours...

Shihab · Feb 24, 2011

TAViX said:
Have you ever wonder where all those companies like Microsoft, Blizzard, Intel, AMD would be today WITHOUT the piracy??? I let you think about it big time...

How on earth could Intel and AMD be harmed by piracy ? Last time I checked, you couldn't download a Phenom.

I would if I could though

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