The unknown future of PC gaming....

[HookeyStreet]

That's true everywhere, they just don't see it. specially XB360 costs far more than PC gaming on the long term if you are a true gamer and you don't pirate. In a period of 5 years you pay $5 * 60 months = $300 just in Live fees, plus you pay $10 more for every game you legally buy. In five years if you didn't buy 30-50 you are not really a true gamer, add another $300-500. That's $800, enough to upgrade your full gaming rig 2 times (except case, PSU...). Even 3 times if you buy intelligently, i.e you bought a MB with futureproofing and bought a dualie back in the day, you can upgrade to a quad now, etc.

And that's if you want to upgrade which is not really needed if all you want is to match the quality that consoles offer. A dual core, 2GB of the cheapest ram around and a 8800 GT is all you need if you want the same experience you get from consoles.

I pay between £30-£32 for a 12 month GOLD XBL membership. Those that pay for XBL monthly are idiots.

You say that a cheap gaming PC consisting of a dual core CPU, 2GB of RAM and an 8800GT would be just as good as a current gen console (360/PS3). No disrespect, but I call bullshit.

The difference between a cheap gaming PC and a current gen console (not including the Wii) is optimisation. Console games are optimised for that console whereas PC games are not optimised for a single hardware configuration. Yes, the 360 and PS3 are ancient now. But they can still do impressive things with them.

I could be wrong, but I bet Call Of Duty - Modern Warfare 2 would run better on the 360, linked up to a 42" 1080p LCD TV than what the cheapy system you described would.

haha. shame on you. you must be getting desperate.

LOL

 

[Benetanegia]

haha. shame on you. you must be getting desperate.

I am not desperate at all. Nor am I angry. I never get altered really. I'm from Spain, and a good specimen at that. We are passionate, we do not measure our words, we let them free. Furthermore I'm from Bilbao, and that's something that spaniards will get right away. For outsiders, just take what I said above and multiply it by 10x.

I could be wrong, but I bet Call Of Duty - Modern Warfare 2 would run better on the 360, linked up to a 42" 1080p LCD TV than what the cheapy system you described would.

You are wrong.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6240905/p-4.html

1920x1200 High Quality 4xAA/8xAF -> 55 fps on the stock 8800 GT. beautiful thing about PCs in general and G92 (8800 GT) in particular, they overclock like champs. Expect 65-70 fps from OCed 8800 GT.

And don't fool yourself. On consoles you don't get 1920x1200, you don't get high quality AA* and AF*, you don't get anywhere near the quality on textures and shadows and don't fool yourself, you don't get 60 fps steady...

* You want even better fps and same quality as in consoles, go to Nvidia CP or CCC and enable every posible optimization you encounter, voilà get a 25% performance boost. With many games you could also just disable any AA and AF because many console games have none.

 

[HalfAHertz]

I pay between £30-£32 for a 12 month GOLD XBL membership. Those that pay for XBL monthly are idiots.

You say that a cheap gaming PC consisting of a dual core CPU, 2GB of RAM and an 8800GT would be just as good as a current gen console (360/PS3). No disrespect, but I call bullshit.

The difference between a cheap gaming PC and a current gen console (not including the Wii) is optimisation. Console games are optimised for that console whereas PC games are not optimised for a single hardware configuration. Yes, the 360 and PS3 are ancient now. But they can still do impressive things with them.

I could be wrong, but I bet Call Of Duty - Modern Warfare 2 would run better on the 360, linked up to a 42" 1080p LCD TV than what the cheapy system you described would.



LOL

Um I'm no expert but from what I've seen the equivalent of console graphics for the PC would be a mix of low and medium settings at 1280x720@30fps. I am pretty sure that a dual core pc with a 8800GT and 2GB of ram will play the PC equivalent of that console game without a sweat

 

[TheMailMan78]

You are wrong.

I agree. I had a 4200x2 (939) with a 8800GT and it produced FAR better graphics then the 360 or PS3. That was a few years back too. I can get even better hardware now for the same price. In the long run PC gaming is FAR cheaper. Thats been proven time and time again in many other threads. There is only one advantage to console gaming. Thats plug and play. Everything else is second hand compared to a PC.

I make a living off of my gaming PC. Can you say the same for your console?

 

[Praetorian]

What's to compare? X-Box360 feature a GPU similar to the ancient ATI X1900, while the PS3 have something similar to Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX...

 

[TheMailMan78]

What's to compare? X-Box360 feature a GPU similar to the ancient ATI 2900 Pro, while the PS3 have something similar to Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX...

Try a 1900 in the 360 last I read.

 

[HookeyStreet]

I make a living off of my gaming PC. Can you say the same for your console?

LOL, now you know that has nothing to do with the subject

Try a 1900 in the 360 last I read.

Yep.

OK guys, would the cheapy system that Bene spoke of be able to run God Of War III (if it was available on the PC) as nice as it runs on the PS3? I doubt it.

 

[TheMailMan78]

LOL, now you know that has nothing to do with the subject



Yep.

OK guys, would the cheapy system that Bene spoke of be able to run God Of War III (if it was available on the PC) as nice as it runs on the PS3? I doubt it.

Why not? The hardware didn't change with the PS3. It would look even better on a PC. On a PC no need to compress the textures and such. As a matter of fact its a shame it wasn't released on a PC because it would show the inferiority of the console hardware to the masses of subject ignorant people.

When BF3 hits the shelves you will see a mass exodus of console FPS players on the console. The simple fact it cannot handle 64 players says everything to me.

You will have watered down graphics AND less of an experience with a console. Them are the facts.

 

[Benetanegia]

OK guys, would the cheapy system that Bene spoke of be able to run God Of War III (if it was available on the PC) as nice as it runs on the PS3? I doubt it.

And you would be wrong once again mate. God of War III isn't particularly exceptional in anything (graphics related), it does have a lot of work to make it look nice though. That is the differece, and the subject on this thread, that they put a lot of work on console versions and none on the PC. And even still, thanks to the vast superiority of PCs games run and look much better.

A close platform allows for better optimisations, that's true, but it's nowhere near as much as you think. We would be talking about a 25% performance hit (including OS, AV and other bloatware) for the same level of hardware. That means that to match console graphics, you need 1.25x the power. Not 2x, 3x. And current GPUs and CPUs are 8x times more powerful than consoles, but they are not used the slightlest to their true potential. Just look at the charts I posted above: the HD5970 has 4x the brute power of the 4870, but it's only twice as fast. The higher you go (the more you offset the hardware power from consoles) the worse it gets.

On CPU the same, Core i7 on the top is easily 6x faster then the 1.83 ghz dualie. Difference? Considering the difference in raw power, negligible.

 

[CDdude55]

OK guys, would the cheapy system that Bene spoke of be able to run God Of War III (if it was available on the PC) as nice as it runs on the PS3? I doubt it.

Most definitely yes, God of War III like every other Console game has it's engine scaled down and created to run on the old '05/'06 hardware inside of them, the actual game itself to run is nothing for a computer running hardware from '07/'08 , that cheap machine is much more powerful then any of today's consoles, i would argue that yes, that machine could not only run God of War III but also have it look much better in the process.

 

[TheMailMan78]

The bottom line is console people think the graphics are great because thats all the know. PC gamers are sick of having shit fed to them for the sake of their little retarded brother (consoles). This is where the argument begins and ends.

The second a game comes out thats cross platform and a console player gets a good taste of PC gaming that console gamer never looks back. A PC gamer is born. I've built three gaming PC's just because I let a console noob get a crack of BC2 on my rig. Once they see the superior graphic, game play and accessibility they are blown away. End of story....

 

[FreedomEclipse]

The bottom line is console people think the graphics are great because thats all the know. PC gamers are sick of having shit fed to them for the sake of their little retarded brother (consoles). This is where the argument begins and ends.

The second a game comes out thats cross platform and a console player gets a good taste of PC gaming that console gamer never looks back. A PC gamer is born. I've built three gaming PC's just because I let a console noob get a crack of BC2 on my rig. Once they see the superior graphic, game play and accessibility they are blown away. End of story....

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs44/f/2009/140/2/2/PC_Gaming_Master_Race_by_Claidheam_Righ.jpg

theres only one problem with what you said - and its console ports. BC2 and up coming BF3 are exceptions. however these games wont automatically stop devs making ports for the PC. they are taking away the PCs ability to shine

 

[HookeyStreet]

I don't just mean graphically. I mean performance as an whole. How many times have you guys been pissed of that the game you're playing is choppy? Because console games are optimised for that specific console, they generally feel more 'solid'.

The bottom line is console people think the graphics are great because thats all the know. PC gamers are sick of having shit fed to them for the sake of their little retarded brother (consoles). This is where the argument begins and ends.

The second a game comes out thats cross platform and a console player gets a good taste of PC gaming that console gamer never looks back. A PC gamer is born. I've built three gaming PC's just because I let a console noob get a crack of BC2 on my rig. Once they see the superior graphic, game play and accessibility they are blown away. End of story....

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs44/f/2009/140/2/2/PC_Gaming_Master_Race_by_Claidheam_Righ.jpg

But that isn't the end of the story is it. If it was, threads like this wouldn't even exist. Just because you've converted a couple of console gamers, I've done the same many times and built many systems for these PS noobs, doesn't chnage the fact that more and more people are turning to consoles for quick gaming fixes!

 

[BumbleBee]

does anybody remember the last PC exclusive to get a tv spot that didn't have a Blizzard logo?

 

[TheMailMan78]

does anybody remember the last PC exclusive to get a tv spot that didn't have a Blizzard logo?

It never really has and I'm not sure how thats even relevant? Anyway the only exclusives the consoles have thats worth playing are on the Wii anyway.

 

[HookeyStreet]

It never really has and I'm not sure how thats even relevant? Anyway the only exclusives the consoles have thats worth playing are on the Wii anyway.

But that's just your personal preference. Millions of others enjoy all kinds of console games, not just first person shooters. You say you like the Wii because its a true console (because of the innovative motion controller). But have you even played on Kinect yet?

 

[TheMailMan78]

I don't just mean graphically. I mean performance as an whole. How many times have you guys been pissed of that the game you're playing is choppy? Because console games are optimised for that specific console, they generally feel more 'solid'.



But that isn't the end of the story is it. If it was, threads like this wouldn't even exist. Just because you've converted a couple of console gamers, I've done the same many times and built many systems for these PS noobs, doesn't chnage the fact that more and more people are turning to consoles for quick gaming fixes!

People are flocking to Macs too. I guess that makes them better also? As for us complaining about games not running as well on the PC thats because we are running them WAY over console spec. If we ran them at console spec then they would be fine. Thats the issue. We have to play retard ball when we are MLS players. Console players are content with a pile of shit and a bib when PC players are used to Filet mignon and a golden fork.

But that's just your personal preference. Millions of others enjoy all kinds of console games, not just first person shooters. You say you like the Wii because its a true console (because of the innovative motion controller). But have you even played on Kinect yet?

Oh that thing that copied the Wii's "gimmicky" controls? lol

 

[HookeyStreet]

People are flocking to Macs too. I guess that makes them better also? As for us complaining about games not running as well on the PC thats because we are running them WAY over console spec. If we ran them at console spec then they would be fine. Thats the issue. We have to play retard ball when we are MLS players. Console players are content with a pile of shit and a bib when PC players are used to Filet mignon and a golden fork.

But why has the industry become like this? Your anger is misdirected

 

[TheMailMan78]

But why has the industry become like this? Your anger is misdirected

Because console players enjoy the taste of shit served three times a day.

 

[HookeyStreet]

Because console players enjoy the taste of shit served three times a day.

I'm sure if you built those shit eating console gamers a super rig they would gladly play it. But not all of them know how to use a good PC properly. Or have the funds to own and maintain one. A lot of console gamers are young children. So should little Jimmy that eats his bogeys be the proud owner of a grands worth of PC......no, he should'nt!

 

[TheMailMan78]

I'm sure if you built those shit eating console gamers a super rig they would gladly play it. But not all of them have know how to use a good PC properly.

So innovation now suffers for the sake of the retarded little brother.

 

[snuif09]

I'am a console collector I probably have more consoles than all of you from virtual boy to xbox360 to atari 2600.

Consoles are great because of their ease of use cause not everyone is the glorious intelligent PC master race. But they just can't keep up with technology.Yes I own kinect and I don't like that crap. If I to play baseball I would go outside instead of looking like an idiot, It's hella fun at parties tho. But one day in 2007 my nephew showed me PC graphics and I was like HOLYSHITWTF%(@&*!)% and i started building a pc.

oh and i remember a certain popular console game starting out on pc ( o hey CoD) obviously it started to suck when it became aimed for consoles.

 

[Benetanegia]

does anybody remember the last PC exclusive to get a tv spot that didn't have a Blizzard logo?

I think I already mentioned that point and if I didn't I was thnking about it. lol

The whole thing discussed in the last pages is why don't PC games sell. And let's see:

- They are actually console games. With all the implications of that statement.
- Full of DRM and other crap that only annoys legit buyers, since pirates just bypass them.
- They are not marketed on TV, while console versions are at every moment, to the point of being annoying to see the same commercial 5 times during a handball match. I actually know 2 guys that bought a PS3 in order to play Modern Warfare and I don't know what other game, because as they said: COD4:MW and the other game (multiplatform too) are only available for consoles!

So crappy ports, no marketing, draconian drm... I just can't figure out why PC games don't sell very well lately... must be piracy...:shadedshu

But why has the industry become like this? Your anger is misdirected

Because the average console crowd is much easier to content and are willing to pay higher prices. Because there's not enough console gamers (as to make a difference) that would go to forums and say 2 straight intelligent sentences as to why a game sucks* and that way they have no post-release responsability.
Because they don't care about dedicated servers, 32+ player MP, ability to create mods and countless of other things that PC gamers take as granted.
etc.etc.

I'm obviously not putting guys from TPU forums on that bag, but you guys you are the minority.

* They would say childish things that no one takes seriously.

 

[HookeyStreet]

I'am a console collector I probably have more consoles than all of you from virtual boy to xbox360 to atari 2600.

Consoles are great because of their ease of use cause not everyone is the glorious intelligent PC master race. But they just can't keep up with technology.Yes I own kinect and I don't like that crap. If I to play baseball I would go outside instead of looking like an idiot, It's hella fun at parties tho. But one day in 2007 my nephew showed me PC graphics and I was like HOLYSHITWTF%(@&*!)% and i started building a pc.

oh and i remember a certain popular console game starting out on pc ( o hey CoD) obviously it started to suck when it became aimed for consoles.

But consoles are not intended to compete with upgradable PCs. The PC Vs console debate is retarded. They can not and should not be compared. Uber PCs are great. But the console gamer shouldn't be looked down on because they decide to take the easy route to gaming.

 

[TheMailMan78]

But consoles are not intended to compete with upgradable PCs. The PC Vs console debate is retarded. They can not and should not be compared. Uber PCs are great. But the console gamer shouldn't be looked down on because they decide to take the easy route to gaming.

But thats the point. They are in fact the inferior platform.