AMD Bulldozer Eng. Sample leaked, benched

[Damn_Smooth]

I could be completely off base here, but I thought performance per watt was only an issue in the server market.

I have never heard of a hospital not being able to save a life because their computers drew too much power. you would think something like that would make headlines.

 

[TheMailMan78]

It is here. Part of ISO certifaction is network integrity, and office carbon production. You are forgetting corporations have to pay for carbon credits now.

Carbon credits? Is that some of your fancy tree huggin Canada talk again? Because as an American I only buy things I am SURE will drown polar bears.

NO? You need to get out more...even Duke Nukem knows how strippers work.

Show me a man that knows how women work and Ill show you a homosexual.

 

[Thatguy]

24 pin powers the whole motherboard.
The 4 or 8 pin connector provides more power to the CPU and VRM's.

24pin predominately power the cpu and the onboard chipsets and provides power to the pci slots, pcie stuff and additional power planes are in the 4-8 pin connectors. the only real way is to use a socket isolator cpu and measure from the power pins. 300watts should cuase the cpu to flat out fail.

 

[cadaveca]

24pin predominately power the cpu and the onboard chipsets and provides power to the pci slots, pcie stuff and additional power planes are in the 4-8 pin connectors. the only real way is to use a socket isolator cpu and measure from the power pins. 300watts should cuase the cpu to flat out fail.

Um, no.

Intel VRD design:

http://www.intel.com/assets/PDF/designguide/321736.pdf

One AMD VRM design:

http://cds.linear.com/docs/Design Note/dn326f.pdf

 

[Heavy_MG]

I have never heard of a hospital not being able to save a life because their computers drew too much power. you would think something like that would make headlines.

Or the next Intel commercial.

Lol,I wonder how much Intel is paying this guy.

 

[Thatguy]

Um, no.

Intel VRD design:

http://www.intel.com/assets/PDF/designguide/321736.pdf

One AMD VRM design:

http://cds.linear.com/docs/Design Note/dn326f.pdf

The only way to accurately measure power draw is to isolate the cpu from the motherboard with a isolator socket layer and measure directly from the cpu pins. There are way to many factors invovled to take a measurement from one spot.

 

[erocker]

yeah, but you work in an auto shop. My wife works in the hospital environment, and you better beleive they consider power consumption. Would really suck if you needed life support, but they couldn't give it to you because thier PCs draw too much power.



YES.

I didn't always own an auto shop. The ISO standards are a farce and little to no corporations pay anything to meet those standards. This isn't Canada, this is the US where corporations do what they want regardless of law or whatnot. All I did was provide an example of this. The "industry" can spew all they want in marketing jargon, green lingo and save the world pamphlets, it doesn't change what the reality of real life is. As a reviewer that's fine as you normally go by what the industry goes by. It's not your job to go "behind the scenes" and see the way things really are in this regard. Like most things there's a hypocrisy involved.

 

[Heavy_MG]

The only way to accurately measure power draw is to isolate the cpu from the motherboard with a isolator socket layer and measure directly from the cpu pins. There are way to many factors invovled to take a measurement from one spot.

Measuring from the 8 pin socket isn't accurate,the 8 pins powers things other than just the CPU.
Also Intel has a different power design than AMD if you were to measure from the 8 pin and not directly form the cpu socket.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Like most things there's a hypocrisy involved.

Like a mod who trolls.

 

[cadaveca]

As a reviewer that's fine as you normally go by what the industry goes by. It's not your job to go "behind the scenes" and see the way things really are in this regard. Like most things there's a hypocrisy involved.

Of course, and you are right, I live in a completley different country than you do, and as such, our standards are very different.

Measuring from the 8 pin socket isn't accurate,the 8 pins powers things other than just the CPU.

Like what?

 

[Dent1]

Then why is AMD hyping performance per watt?





It's also a sign of how mis-managed some companies are. Power consumption is a factor when considering office power grid design. 400 Machines drawing 350 watts equals 140,000 watTs of power that office needs. If a pc draws half as much power, that's 70,000 Watts saved. That's potentially $70/hour saved, or just over $50,000 a month. How many of you make that a year?

yeah, but you work in an auto shop. My wife works in the hospital environment, and you better beleive they consider power consumption. Would really suck if you needed life support, but they couldn't give it to you because thier PCs draw too much power.



YES.

Marketing.

Small companies are not concerned about power consumption as a priority because they're worried about their immediate overheads and budget. If they're buying up to 100 office computers they'll rather save £8,000 and buy a computer equipped with a CPU with higher rated TDP. Granted they might save £1,000 per year on energy bills if they went for a more power efficient computers but it would take 8+ years before the financial saving balances out. Coming out of a recession small companies are worried about surviving in business today not in 8+ years.

Multi-national organisations are not concerned about power consumption either from a financial point of view because they often have deals with their electricity provider for a fixed cost. However power consumption is still a small consideration mainly as a marketing ploy to show that their doing their part to help society lower carbon emissions etc and hence raise the profile of the company in question.

Hospitals are often Government funded. The government has a bigger incentive to lower carbon emission than small companies and multinational organisations. Politicians base policies on reducing carbon emissions and general energy wastage is the difference between them getting elected and getting re-elected.

AMD hyping energy efficiency is to get small orders from multi-national organisations and to get huge orders from Hospitals and Government funded organisations. Apart from these huge organisations energy efficiency is a afterthought for the average Joe consumer.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Of course, and you are right, I live in a completley different country than you do, and as such, our standards are very different.

BS Canada is the 51st State. Its like a cold ass California without the Mexican drug lords.

 

[cadaveca]

AMD hyping energy efficiency is to get small orders from multi-national organisations and to get huge orders from Hospitals and Government funded organisations. Apart from these huge organisations energy efficiency is a afterthought for the average Joe consumer.

Ah, thanks very much for explaining it to show both sides of the story.

Its like a cold ass California without the Mexican drug lords.

No ,the mexican cartels are here too.

 

[erocker]

Of course, and you are right, I live in a completley different country than you do, and as such, our standards are very different.

Don't get me wrong, that's not really what I meant. The industry has certain standards, measurements, etc the the industry as a whole "should" follow. As a reviewer it's part of your job to go over and make sure these companies are within margins of these standards. I'm just saying the actual consumer doesn't really care very much, though those in charge of making these purchases at larger corporations may take this data into consideration when making a purchase. Bottom line is they want more product that serves their primary needs for the least amount of money.

 

[cadaveca]

Yeah, I understood clearly. And I agree, the avg consumer doesn't care...just what's faster, for the best dollar matters.

But those standards do exist, and at least here, these things are under closer scrutiny than elsewhere.

 

[trickson]

I don't know just why or how this thread became a thread about AMD BD wattage when this is a leaked preview of the performance . Who gives a happy crap about the wattage when the performance ( The BM's I seen here ) is far lower than the Q9650 ! I could care less about how much wattage it takes to run the thing ! I think the thread has been derailed ! I am not hearing any one ( But me ) Talk about the dismal performance of the BD CPU ! WHY ? What is better having a CPU with lower watts and less performance ? GOOD GOD IF SO STICK WITH THE 4000+ Then ! This BD CPU looks like crap performance wise ! I hope that this is not what AMD plans to put out to consumers or they are in big deep Sh*T ! How about we talk about the benchmarks ?

 

[Damn_Smooth]

I don't know just why or how this thread became a thread about AMD BD wattage when this is a leaked preview of the performance . Who gives a happy crap about the wattage when the performance ( The BM's I seen here ) is far lower than the Q9650 ! I could care less about how much wattage it takes to run the thing ! I think the thread has been derailed ! I am not hearing any one ( But me ) Talk about the dismal performance of the BD CPU ! WHY ? What is better having a CPU with lower watts and less performance ? GOOD GOD IF SO STICK WITH THE 4000+ Then ! This BD CPU looks like crap performance wise ! I hope that this is not what AMD plans to put out to consumers or they are in big deep Sh*T ! How about we talk about the benchmarks ?

My guess would be that there is no point in discussing benchmarks of a chip that are either fake, or from a chip that was never meant to be benchmarked, any farther than we already have in the first 6 pages of this thread.

You can go on believing their credibility if you want to though, I'll stay grounded in a reality where AMD doesn't waste a shitload of time and money on a chip that performs significantly worse than their current offerings.

Have fun.

 

[yogurt_21]

ime power matters on the lowend where consumers/manufacturers have purchased low wattage powersupplies for their machines.

it also matters for servers when large amounts of them are used. So if each unit uses 100 watts more you're looking an an increased usage of 50-100kw for all servers. at the national average of 12cents a kwh that's 4500-9000$ extra a month. No cfo would be happy with that, especially if there was something that got the job done for a similar cost with lower power consumption.

 

[erocker]

I am not hearing any one ( But me ) Talk about the dismal performance of the BD CPU ! WHY ? What is better having a CPU with lower watts and less performance ? GOOD GOD IF SO STICK WITH THE 4000+ Then ! This BD CPU looks like crap performance wise ! I hope that this is not what AMD plans to put out to consumers or they are in big deep Sh*T ! How about we talk about the benchmarks ?

It's not going to be the released product so I assume no one really cares. I know I don't really care about some early engineering sample that has no reflection on a finished product using benchmarks that give an incliination of nothing.

 

[trickson]

It's not going to be the released product so I assume no one really cares. I know I don't really care about some early engineering sample that has no reflection on a finished product using benchmarks that give an incliination of nothing.

Then what is the use of talking about wattage ? This goes both ways . There are no chips out yet and all we seem to be able to do is get all worked up over nothing .

 

[Dent1]

Talk about the dismal performance of the BD CPU!

This BD CPU looks like crap performance wise !

What are you talking about? How can you bash the bulldozer's performance when there is no Bulldozer review or benchmarks.

The wattage debate happened when the thread lost steam and got derailed.

 

[cadaveca]

Then what is the use of talking about wattage ?

I mentioned that wattage would be something I'd be looking at when I get CPUs, and the discussion went from there.

 

[Damn_Smooth]

Then what is the use of talking about wattage ? This goes both ways . There are no chips out yet and all we seem to be able to do is get all worked up over nothing .

Because wattage is far more interesting than benchmarks that show nothing.

 

[cadaveca]

Because wattage is far more interesting than benchmarks that show nothing.

I guess, but it's equally unknown at this point. We can only look at past chips, but I think these CPUs are going to get a different process than previous AMD chips, even?

 

[trickson]

What are you talking about? How can you bash the bulldozer's performance when there is no Bulldozer review or benchmarks.

Well first off there seems to be Bulldozers out . They are saying that they bench tested them and even gave some benchmarks of there sample , What are you talking about ?
The thread is titled AMD Bulldozer Eng. Sample leaked , Benched ! Am I seeing things here ? Don't flip the scrip on me son .