The AMD Phenom II OC'ers Club

[YautjaLord]

it dual channels pretty well at 800MHz

Then play with RAM freq & timings/voltage as well; how high the RAM voltage listed in your RAM's specs list? 1.5v? 1.6v? It should be like this for you:

RAM freq=800MHz;
CPU/NB=1200MHz (1600MHz would be interesting too, though not get too excited );
RAM voltage=1.5/1.6v, unless specified otherwise in RAM's webpage.

Test/tweak to get the stable freq/voltage, plus play with timings & CPU VDDA for stability.

*UPDATE*

Your RAM is of OCZTechnology: is it OC-friendly? If so - how high it can run in conjunction with your CPU? Your CPU most definetely favors DDR3 alot. Bought my Mushkin 2x2GB DDR3 1600MHz for 450 sheckels or ~150USD 4+ months ago. Had same prob like you when had 955BE on M3NHT-Deluxe w/2x2GB DDR2 1066MHz OCZ RAM.

 

[Corduroy_Jr]

2de.das.dude:

If it'll help: the only things that needs to be changed in my PC are as follow (pretty soon, probably by end of August):

Mobo: Crosshair V Formula or Sabertooth 990FX (both have AI Suite II & most important TurboV EVO);
HDD/External USB 2.0/3.0 HDD: either WD VelociRaptor 600GB or any SSD with more than 300GB space & MyPassport 500GB (for storage of pics, web-docs, etc...);
PSU: Corsair AX1200W.

Other things, probably M$'s LiveCam HD (Skype) & (when out) Nvidia's Kepler (learnt that it pushed to Q1 2012, obviously cause of transfer to 28nm microprocess).

Do your math, if the DDR2 worth the OC now in humid summer days (& cause of 12.12.2012 comes, lol jk), play with CPU-NB frequency & voltages, RAM voltages/timings, CPU VDDA, etc... & say if DDR2 is or isn't the blocking factor; favor the use of dual-channel DDR3 1333/1600MHz seeing the FX-8xxx CPUs are coming Q3 2011 (unless something f***s-up with rev.B2/C0 as well, which will be really bad), play with any CPU tweaking in BIOS, you name it - just play. My settings/tweaks:

CPU freq=200MHz;
CPU ratio (multi)=20.0x;
CPU voltage=1.4500v;
CPU/NB freq=2400MHz;
HT freq=2000MHz;
RAM freq/timings=1333MHz/7-7-7-20-1T;
CPU/NB voltage=1.25v;
VDDA voltage=2.7000v;
RAM voltage=1.66v;
NB voltage=1.26v;
HT voltage=1.20v;
nf200 voltage=Auto.


Play with your RAM timings/freq/voltages (according to the specs listed in RAM's website) & CPU/NB frequency & voltage as well as with CPU VDDA for now & say if it helped to solve the issues.

pretty much everything u said made no sense

 

[de.das.dude]

pretty much everything u said made no sense

show a little sympathy. his native language may not be english.

 

[YautjaLord]

pretty much everything u said made no sense

Forget the parts where i say what i would buy for myself & just focus on what i suggest to de.das.dude; i know sometimes i make no sense with my plans when i wanna help someone.

Just tryin to help to Triple D, telling him what he should tweak in BIOS to solve his issue. Ok?

As for languages: a total of 3 in one head & give me quite a headache from time to time - Russian, Hebrew & English (plus a few words from Armenian). Any of these (including Armenian) should be pretty much my native languages, but i assume they not seeing you left confused with what i suggest. Thanx for enlightment anyway.

 

[de.das.dude]

thanks again. but its impossible.

when i use DDR2 533 dual channel and 1.4V(or else it wont post)
but memtest gives errors.


next i try setting clock at DDR2 400, it works! yay. but i want 533dual channel!
so i overclock ref clock to 260 (thats 1040mhz), 1.4 VDDNB and still memtest probs.


i found out at 400 and ram OC'd with ref clock, i cant stable it past 900MHz.
so thats a poop.

ambient here is around 32C

 

[YautjaLord]

thanks again. but its impossible.

when i use DDR2 533 dual channel and 1.4V(or else it wont post)
but memtest gives errors.


next i try setting clock at DDR2 400, it works! yay. but i want 533dual channel!
so i overclock ref clock to 260 (thats 1040mhz), 1.4 VDDNB and still memtest probs.


i found out at 400 and ram OC'd with ref clock, i cant stable it past 900MHz.
so thats a poop.

ambient here is around 32C

Ambient - what do you mean? Room temp or CPU @ idle? Also - can you give me your RAM's specs @ OCZ site? I'll tell you if i can find any info bout it's OC friendliness. Also DDR2 is one of the factors that somehow limits the CPU overclockability (even though slightly), so just stay @ 800MHz but raise the CPU/NB or however you call it. If it's DDR2 800MHz - raise CPU/NB to say 1200MHz or even 1600MHz. To make it complete, play with following:

CPU freq;
CPU multi;
CPU voltage;
CPU/NB freq;
HT freq;
RAM freq/timings;
CPU/NB voltage;
VDDA voltage;
RAM voltage;
NB voltage;
HT voltage.

And say if it helped.

P.S. Or better yet: by end of August i'll buy the following - Crosshair V Formula (or TUF Sabertooth 990FX), WD VelociRaptor 600GB SATA 6GB/s, Indigo Extreme ETI & AX1200W & test my current 965BE OC with these, before buying the Dozer; if you want i can post the results here so you'll see how better it'll OC on such setup. Deal? Good luck nevertheless in any tweak you'll do.

*UPDATE*

Seeing the TechPowerUp already cover the alleged FX-8130P AIDA64/SuperPi/3DMark11/PCMark 7/etc... benchies (even though EngineeringSample @ 3.2GHz & with "take with a pinch of salt" stuff), i think de.das.dude i'm going for August upgrade path for real; hope you too. Wish both of us luck on this. Atleast i'll certainly buy the afforementioned C5F (or - again - Sabertooth 990FX), VRaptor 600GB SATA 6GB/s & AX1200W.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

show a little sympathy. his native language may not be english.
http://hphotos-snc6.fbcdn.net/280063_247416321950986_100000478611462_1038477_6686455_o.jpg

mine also isnt...

out of interest, how fast is 1066 single channel against 800 dual channel, for you?

also, yautja, it would help if you would keep your personal upgrade plans out of this thread, and anything bulldozer related.... this is still a PHENOM II thread

 

[YautjaLord]

mine also isnt...

out of interest, how fast is 1066 single channel against 800 dual channel, for you?

also, yautja, it would help if you would keep your personal upgrade plans out of this thread, and anything bulldozer related.... this is still a PHENOM II thread

My bad, Wafer. But atleast Phenom II 965BE on afforementioned setup sounds ace and according to reviews database here performs & OCs ace as well; just wait til end of August & i'll post my 965BE further OC on these components here. And i repeat: English is not the only language i speak; Hebrew, Russian & few Armenian words are in my vocabulary as well & apparently i'm not always able to manage these (and English) that well, but it can be fixed. jk

 

[Velvet Wafer]

My bad, Wafer. But atleast Phenom II 965BE on afforementioned setup sounds ace and according to reviews database here performs & OCs ace as well; just wait til end of August & i'll post my 965BE further OC on these components here. And i repeat: English is not the only language i speak; Hebrew, Russian & few Armenian words are in my vocabulary as well & apparently i'm not always able to manage these (and English) that well, but it can be fixed. jk

I cant see my 955 anymore, but hopefully, it wont take too long until i can finally put it to use in my secondary rig.

Just to elaborate on my language abilities... i speak German, English (i also work on speaking fluidly atm), French and a few Russian and Turkish words.. you gotta learn, if you want to be up to snuff,eh?

 

[YautjaLord]

Back to hi-school stuff; it never too late to hone your skills in either language, training (i learnt kickboxing & karate back @ the time + bodybuilding so i recently got back) & pretty much everything else in life. Guess it's time for me to hone - again - the grammatics.

And about your 2nd rig: you trying to make me jealous or something? I didn't pulled you by your tongue: what is this 2nd rig then & what are your plans of your 955BE in it as well?

 

[MilkyWay]

What type of voltages should i be looking to get my cpu/nb stable at 2.6ghz the volts are on auto, no idea what the board sets it to. *see pic for details
My cpu for some reason needs 1.26v now to run at stock when its 1.25v stock. Maybe something to do with playing around with the cpu/nb speeds/volts.

EDIT: ASUS have a crappy oc program for this board and i think that tells you the voltages in windows so i might check that out.

I do all my clocking in bios this is handy for checking volts. So what should i be aiming for or is what auto set at okay?

 

[Velvet Wafer]

Back to hi-school stuff; it never too late to hone your skills in either language, training (i learnt kickboxing & karate back @ the time + bodybuilding so i recently got back) & pretty much everything else in life. Guess it's time for me to hone - again - the grammatics.

And about your 2nd rig: you trying to make me jealous or something? I didn't pulled you by your tongue: what is this 2nd rig then & what are your plans of your 955BE in it as well?

Kickboxing and Karate? ironically,i prefer the Israeli way, the Mossads invention, Full Contact Krav, when it comes to self defense! With that, you dont even need to have Muscles, to give someone a Royal pain in the A**! Yeah, agreed.... Life is a continous training.

I also never tried to make you jealous! I have 3 rigs since a good amount of time, the components of my main rig, will be mounted inside the tertiary rig, which will then be my secondary rig, when it comes to upgrading to BD

What type of voltages should i be looking to get my cpu/nb stable at 2.6ghz the volts are on auto, no idea what the board sets it to. *see pic for details
My cpu for some reason needs 1.26v now to run at stock when its 1.25v stock. Maybe something to do with playing around with the cpu/nb speeds/volts.

EDIT: ASUS have a crappy oc program for this board and i think that tells you the voltages in windows so i might check that out.

I do all my clocking in bios this is handy for checking volts. So what should i be aiming for or is what auto set at okay?
http://img.techpowerup.org/110711/cpu voltage.jpg

I would set the NB at 1.3, the SB and HT at 1.2-1.25 the VDDA at 2.5-2.6, DRAM at 1.55-1.65 and CPU/NB to anything between 1.25-1.4, depending on what your proc likes the most... that depends, and can vary from proc to proc.... should make 2.6 pretty stable, if the proc is capable of it.

also, the 1.26 CPU volts are negligible, as that is probably due to the board drooping to lower volts from time to time... nothing to worry about

 

[MilkyWay]

You sure i should set the NB to 1.3v its 1.1v default?

Everything else seems about right thanks! I heard 1.25v for the cpu/nb may be stable if its not i can just bump it up and up, good to know anything between 1.25v and 1.4v is fine and is just dependant on individual cpu and board.

CPU and Ram are fine they are just at stock voltages and speeds.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

You sure i should set the NB to 1.3v its 1.1v default?

Everything else seems about right thanks! I heard 1.25v for the cpu/nb may be stable if its not i can just bump it up and up, good to know anything between 1.25v and 1.4v is fine and is just dependant on individual cpu and board.

CPU and Ram are fine they are just at stock voltages and speeds.

you can try to start at 1.2 NB first, but i run 1.3 (and sometimes even 1.4) on all my AMD boards since i can think, and it never damaged anything, as long as there was a fan pushing fresh air into its direction... passively i would use 1.2 indeed.

just for you info, an instable CPU/NB will most probably produce errors in memtest, even if the ram is stable... so your testing is eased, as linx only often is not enough when trying to find stability with higher NB clocks

 

[Athlonite]

show a little sympathy. his native language may not be english.
http://hphotos-snc6.fbcdn.net/280063_247416321950986_100000478611462_1038477_6686455_o.jpg

Compare your 945 to my 940

 

[MilkyWay]

you can try to start at 1.2 NB first, but i run 1.3 (and sometimes even 1.4) on all my AMD boards since i can think, and it never damaged anything, as long as there was a fan pushing fresh air into its direction... passively i would use 1.2 indeed.

just for you info, an instable CPU/NB will most probably produce errors in memtest, even if the ram is stable... so your testing is eased, as linx only often is not enough when trying to find stability with higher NB clocks

Thanks for the tips! Hopefully i can get the voltages correct and stable, right now its stable but id rather have manually set voltages. At least then i can try and tweak the timings on my ram.

 

[YautjaLord]

Kickboxing and Karate? ironically,i prefer the Israeli way, the Mossads invention, Full Contact Krav, when it comes to self defense! With that, you dont even need to have Muscles, to give someone a Royal pain in the A**! Yeah, agreed.... Life is a continous training.

I also never tried to make you jealous! I have 3 rigs since a good amount of time, the components of my main rig, will be mounted inside the tertiary rig, which will then be my secondary rig, when it comes to upgrading to BD

Good choice; Krav Maga (Full/Close Contact Fighting) includes all martial arts styles included among them (but not limited to) are Karate, Muai Thai, Aikido & rest & it puts them to the test in extreme situations. I know cause i learnt this too, back in 90's & more recently in 2010 while @ security officer course; never too late to hone those. And yes, life is a continuous honing of what you got, true.

And about me saying that you made me jealous: it was a joke. lol Good luck with your new rig & your OCing adventures. Wish all of us luck in finding cash for upgrade this year.

 

[JrRacinFan]

I am ready for some ddr3 guys! Anyone got some recommendations? Was thinking G.Skill ECO's....

@YL
Is this now a martial arts club?!

 

[YautjaLord]

2JrRacinFan:

Either G.Skill SNIPER Edition 2x4GB DDR3 1600MHz CL7 (my choice ) or Corsair Vengeance B or something; atleast in Israel they cost cheap enough/much less then a grand (in sheckels). Approx. 206 USD (1 dollar=3.5 sheckels).

I am training myself @ home, honing what i know: push-ups, abs, full contact fight stuff, etc.... Everything i learnt throughout the 90's & in this security officer course (which is sponsored by Israeli police & government) i hone it @ home. Not more, not less.

 

[JrRacinFan]

Gotta be cheap, like $60 USD cheap. No need for 8GB although with what i do my rig would be gratious for it.

Very good! You starting into it for sport or strictly self-defense?

 

[YautjaLord]

Gotta be cheap, like $60 USD cheap. No need for 8GB although with what i do my rig would be gratious for it.

Very good! You starting into it for sport or strictly self-defense?

Got 4x2GB RAM sticks DDR3 1600MHz (underclocked it to 1333MHz but raised the CPU/NB & HT instead) & Photoshop runs like charm; hope Crysis 2 DX11 will favor that amount of RAM as well. Once got cash will go for the G.Skill SNIPER Edition 2x4GB i also suggested you.

Both. For sport and for self-defence. Already can do 70 push-up both on palms & on fists; soon 90 or 100 push-ups, probably next month. Same will go for abs & leg muscles & then come stretching. Muai Thai also one of the fav martial arts in Israel (apart from Aikido & JeetKunDo).

 

[Velvet Wafer]

I am ready for some ddr3 guys! Anyone got some recommendations? Was thinking G.Skill ECO's....

@YL
Is this now a martial arts club?!

I would recommend you the Transcend AXEram 2400 CL10, if you can get them cheap (cheapest 2400 kit that is existant on the market, at least here in Europe)
mine work flawless in tandem with my 2000 cl9 ripjaw kit, at 1600 7-6-7, CR1, all banks filled,until BD gets released, so i can clock them up a good bit at higher latencies

otherwise, any Ripjaw kit, with either high clocks/high latencies or low clocks/low latencies should suffice... price is also very good for these kinda Rams, and i never had problems with them

OT:
I admit, im not much into training my extremities and shell... i rather like to train my brain muscle contiously, each day

 

[JrRacinFan]

It's too bad i can't really afford to purchase right now. There are some 1600 2x4 Ripjaws @ 'Egg on sale:
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR...

Currently just shopping around, won't be for another month when I do an upgrade.

 

[de.das.dude]

Ambient - what do you mean? Room temp or CPU @ idle? Also - can you give me your RAM's specs @ OCZ site? I'll tell you if i can find any info bout it's OC friendliness. Also DDR2 is one of the factors that somehow limits the CPU overclockability (even though slightly), so just stay @ 800MHz but raise the CPU/NB or however you call it. If it's DDR2 800MHz - raise CPU/NB to say 1200MHz or even 1600MHz. To make it complete, play with following:

CPU freq;
CPU multi;
CPU voltage;
CPU/NB freq;
HT freq;
RAM freq/timings;
CPU/NB voltage;
VDDA voltage;
RAM voltage;
NB voltage;
HT voltage.

And say if it helped.

P.S. Or better yet: by end of August i'll buy the following - Crosshair V Formula (or TUF Sabertooth 990FX), WD VelociRaptor 600GB SATA 6GB/s, Indigo Extreme ETI & AX1200W & test my current 965BE OC with these, before buying the Dozer; if you want i can post the results here so you'll see how better it'll OC on such setup. Deal? Good luck nevertheless in any tweak you'll do.

*UPDATE*

Seeing the TechPowerUp already cover the alleged FX-8130P AIDA64/SuperPi/3DMark11/PCMark 7/etc... benchies (even though EngineeringSample @ 3.2GHz & with "take with a pinch of salt" stuff), i think de.das.dude i'm going for August upgrade path for real; hope you too. Wish both of us luck on this. Atleast i'll certainly buy the afforementioned C5F (or - again - Sabertooth 990FX), VRaptor 600GB SATA 6GB/s & AX1200W.

my RAM is okay. twilyth from here gave it to me. and its just this mobo dont support 533 in dual channel. but i heard its possible with OCing thats why i am trying hard.
i already played with other settings and they are all within limits.. but still poop.

and thats room temp at night. during the day its 35C. but very humid, like 95%

mine also isnt...

out of interest, how fast is 1066 single channel against 800 dual channel, for you?

also, yautja, it would help if you would keep your personal upgrade plans out of this thread, and anything bulldozer related.... this is still a PHENOM II thread

english aint my native either. bengali is XD
1066 single is faster. a little. i forgot.

Compare your 945 to my 940

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42898&stc=1&d=1310438454

dude you should increase NB to 2600. thats the 5200MT/s promised by AMD's chipset.
you'll get 10GBps speeds too.

 

[YautjaLord]

my RAM is okay. twilyth from here gave it to me. and its just this mobo dont support 533 in dual channel. but i heard its possible with OCing thats why i am trying hard.
i already played with other settings and they are all within limits.. but still poop.

and thats room temp at night. during the day its 35C. but very humid, like 95%

30 degrees C in my room day, 27 night. And the air conditioner is not helping that much, but it might proove otherwise if i'll start it, like, right now.

I did what i've being told here - lowered the RAM freq but raised the RAM timings & played with CPU-NB/HT Link/CPU VDDA:

RAM freq/timing/voltage=1333MHz/7-7-7-20-1T/1.65v;
CPU/NB freq=2600MHz;
HT Link=2000MHz;
CPU VDDA=2.7000/2.8000MHz (not remember exactly what value since it happened ~2 months ago & never bothered to check the BIOS too often ).

Play with those & leave the RAM frequency @ 800MHz & say how it went. But i tell you - play with those. You might get pretty much stable CPU OC.