FX-Series Processors Clock Speeds 'Revealed'

[scaminatrix]

I've sigged you Pest, no getting out of it now!!

 

[seronx]

I think people misread the Computex June 1st thing

It doesn't say launch it says when you can expect to buy them

It doesn't say launch trust me read it

It says Zambezi Particles in Boxes Available by Late Summer

That isn't a launch that is when we can buy them, so the launch has to happen before that

So between the last AM3+ Motherboard and the beginning of Zambezi PIBs

30 days to 60 days the launch has to happen

 

[Damn_Smooth]

I think people misread the Computex June 1st thing

It doesn't say launch it says when you can expect to buy them

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2011-06/amd_ecosystem_zambezi.jpg

It doesn't say launch trust me read it

It says Zambezi Particles in Boxes Available by Late Summer

That isn't a launch that is when we can buy them, so the launch has to happen before that

So between the last AM3+ Motherboard and the beginning of Zambezi PIBs

30 days to 60 days the launch has to happen

Or we get a delay.

 

[seronx]

Or we get a delay.

Not likely

 

[repman244]

Not likely

But it's possible.

 

[seronx]

But it's possible.

It would still be in Q3 wouldn't it

30-60 days launch 1 *cancelled* will go to
60-90 days launch 2

They have set the final NDA end date to be September...
So, by absolute measure

We will get the CPUs by September
Which is Q3

 

[Pestilence]

It would still be in Q3 wouldn't it

30-60 days launch 1 *cancelled* will go to
60-90 days launch 2

They have set the final NDA end date to be September...
So, by absolute measure

We will get the CPUs by September
Which is Q3

I called the first week of September and the NDA doesn't end till then so that means....


I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Neuromancer]

I called the first week of September and the NDA doesn't end till then so that means....


I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can't claim you were right until they actually come up.

NDA usually coincides with product availability, although sometimes at launch. So whatever that date (NDA) is sounds about right

 

[seronx]

I called the first week of September and the NDA doesn't end till then so that means....


I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, you can still be wrong because, the NDA wares out in September

AMD can cancel the NDA at anytime they want

You can't claim you were right until they actually come up.

NDA usually coincides with product availability, very few times at launch. So whatever that date is sounds about right

Exactly but it can still come out earlier

 

[Pestilence]

No, you can still be wrong because, the NDA wares out in September

AMD can cancel the NDA at anytime they want



Exactly but it can still come out earlier

Ser I love your optimism but these chips wont be out till September at the earliest and late october if the yields are as horrible as reported.

 

[Thatguy]

Ser I love your optimism but these chips wont be out till September at the earliest and late october if the yields are as horrible as reported.

Do you have confrimiation of the yields from glofo or amd ?

without that, well its just rampant speculation. October is Q4 and no server announcements regarding Q3 have changed. Looking at shipments and order for APU chips, its likely they just don't have the capacity and as those chips are high profit, they are making those in quantity. It is likely that they aren't happy with silicone right now and are getting it where they want, but its not likely a yield problem as they have made no statements about delays for APU's on the same process.

whatever the case, its all speculation so best not to go spreading FUD.

 

[Pestilence]

Do you have confrimiation of the yields from glofo or amd ?

without that, well its just rampant speculation. October is Q4 and no server announcements regarding Q3 have changed. Looking at shipments and order for APU chips, its likely they just don't have the capacity and as those chips are high profit, they are making those in quantity. It is likely that they aren't happy with silicone right now and are getting it where they want, but its not likely a yield problem as they have made no statements about delays for APU's on the same process.

whatever the case, its all speculation so best not to go spreading FUD.

All we have is speculation as there have been no leaks from amd. Guys remember 6 months before Sandy bridge came out when Intel gave Anandtech a 2500K and 2600K to play with and publish results? Why do you think Amd never did something like that?

 

[Benetanegia]

but its not likely a yield problem as they have made no statements about delays for APU's on the same process.

You can have very good yields with one design and very bad yields with another one, specially if one is based on old Athlon tech and the other is a completely new design.

 

[Pestilence]

Do you have confrimiation of the yields from glofo or amd ?

without that, well its just rampant speculation. October is Q4 and no server announcements regarding Q3 have changed. Looking at shipments and order for APU chips, its likely they just don't have the capacity and as those chips are high profit, they are making those in quantity. It is likely that they aren't happy with silicone right now and are getting it where they want, but its not likely a yield problem as they have made no statements about delays for APU's on the same process.

whatever the case, its all speculation so best not to go spreading FUD.

Llano is simply an Phenom II core on a 32nm process. Can't screw that up too much

 

[seronx]

Ser I love your optimism but these chips wont be out till September at the earliest and late october if the yields are as horrible as reported.

The chips have been out...

Did you miss E3?
Did you miss the AMD HardOCP we have "Bulldozer"(Bulldozer is the architecture not the CPU the CPUs name is Zambezi, donkeybutts)

Yields aren't bad

All we have is speculation as there have been no leaks from amd. Guys remember 6 months before Sandy bridge came out when Intel gave Anandtech a 2500K and 2600K to play with and publish results? Why do you think Amd never did something like that?

There has been tons of leaks but you need to read up on something


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect

When does Phenom II EOL? in relationship to Zambezi's launch?

Do not source donanimhaber

You can have very good yields with one design and very bad yields with another one, specially if one is based on old Athlon tech and the other is a completely new design.

False, for Global Foundries

Llano is simply an Phenom II core on a 32nm process. Can't screw that up too much

Llano isn't a Phenom II core it is a Athlon III core
Athlon III is 6%-9% faster than Phenom II with a more powerful IMC
1600MHz on Phenom II is hard business while you can go up to 2200MHz on Llano rather easily

GlobalFoundries' 32nm SOI is more advanced than Intel's 32nm Bulk SOI

 

[Pestilence]

Gf process better then Intels? Highly doubtful

 

[seronx]

Gf process better then Intels? Highly doubtful

It is and it is completely true

You will see

I can already show it but...

FM1 vs LGA1155 which one is bigger?

We have a
1.45 BILLION Transistor APU
having comparable power consumption to a
995 Million Transistor APU(i5 2500k)

Awkward this is the only the IGP rofl
280GTX my arse lul

Zambezi will be even less power hungry than the Llano

Trinity here we come =.=
(Even lower power consumption than Zambezi)

When you have a 995 Million Transistor APU with a 95 Watt TDP compare to a CPU with a 100 Watt TDP with 1.45 Billion Transistors APU and get relatively similar temps and power consumption you know something is wrong on the competitions side

------------
AMD Zambezi in an Eyefinity Setup, supposedly at HardOCP Gam Experience

Why does no one today have functional cameras?

 

[Thatguy]

All we have is speculation as there have been no leaks from amd. Guys remember 6 months before Sandy bridge came out when Intel gave Anandtech a 2500K and 2600K to play with and publish results? Why do you think Amd never did something like that?

So what ? AMD is not Intel. for some reason they are playing this close to the vest, much like the new release of 6xxx graphics cards.

WTF are you blathering about now ?AMD does what AMD thinks is in AMD's best interest. why people don't get that is beyond me. I know they certainly don't care about rabid fanboys from either side commenting on unreleased hardware. I expect benchs in the next 2-4 weeks and shipping soon. But thats just based on what they have been saying for months.

 

[Thatguy]

Gf process better then Intels? Highly doubtful

it could result in a better performing chip, but with more irregularitys

 

[Damn_Smooth]

So our big HardOCP showed us a setup that probably wouldn't bottleneck a Phenom I?

I guess I'll sit here and wait for something concrete. I'm gonna quit holding my breath though, this lack of oxygen is fucking with my mind.

 

[seronx]

it could result in a better performing chip, but with more irregularitys

Alot of the problems for 32nm were in 2009 and 2010

GloFo made 32nm Bulk SOI in 2009
GloFo in 2010 ended that and started 32nm HKMG SOI
AMD Taped out Zambezi, Valencia, Interlagos and the yields were very bad
By 2011 January the yields started to increase and by April 2011 the yield problems were gone

The deal between AMD and GlobalFoundries is
32nm HKMG for 2011 per chip(a moot point because Yields are running exceptionally well it was an insurance plan if the bad yields in 2010 would crossover to 2011 but it didn't)
32nm HKMG for 2012 per wafer(by that time 32nm would be mature and EOL, since the lower end AMD stuff will be on 28nm Bulk from 40nm Bulk)

Leading to Zambezi not having yield issues(Cheap CPUs)

Google: GlobalFoundries 32nm

ARM, AMD GPUs, AMD Low-end products will all be using 28nm Bulk SOI HKMG and 28nm SOI HKMG
by 2012

To get indepth is....

Yields only affect the price of the CPU

Not the launch of the CPU

Low Yields isn't a problem people will still buy AMD Zambezi if it is going to overclock like a beast, they might be paying $1000 for it

The problems aren't in yields but in something else

The things that can effect the launch:
Partners/OEMs
AMD
Technical Achievements
Consumers
Previous Products

So our big HardOCP showed us a setup that probably wouldn't bottleneck a Phenom I?

I guess I'll sit here and wait for something concrete. I'm gonna quit holding my breath though, this lack of oxygen is fucking with my mind.

I lol'ed don't hold your breath yeesh

 

[Thatguy]

or it could be that the raving reception of the apu's "subsequent OEM orders" and out of stock condition is pushing fab capacity to the limit, might that be why newyork got a Huge time table bump recently.

me bets its due to a lack of capacity and has been for a while. Plus TSMC just keeps douching up the process node while glofo seems to be getting its rythm together and they service more then just amd to so glofo could be really tight on fab space.

 

[seronx]

or it could be that the raving reception of the apu's "subsequent OEM orders" and out of stock condition is pushing fab capacity to the limit, might that be why newyork got a Huge time table bump recently.

me bets its due to a lack of capacity and has been for a while. Plus TSMC just keeps douching up the process node while glofo seems to be getting its rythm together and they service more then just amd to so glofo could be really tight on fab space.

We haven't ended the month yet and to are saying out of stock?

Highly doubt it

PCs & Laptops, Laptops / Notebooks, AMD A-Series

Computer Hardware, CPUs / Processors, Processors ...

I don't see out of stock

 

[Thatguy]

We haven't ended the month yet and to are saying out of stock?

Highly doubt it

PCs & Laptops, Laptops / Notebooks, AMD A-Series

Computer Hardware, CPUs / Processors, Processors ...

I don't see out of stock

AMD sold every chip they made IIRC in the APU lineup, they are EOL'ing some products, which means they need warranty stock. Alo they have other products and glofo has more then one customer.

There is no other reasonable explination as to why glofo would push a fab open 2-3 months earlier then scheduled.

think about that, this is a HUGE cost to hurry up a fab.

 

[seronx]

AMD sold every chip they made IIRC in the APU lineup, they are EOL'ing some products, which means they need warranty stock. Alo they have other products and glofo has more then one customer.

There is no other reasonable explination as to why glofo would push a fab open 2-3 months earlier then scheduled.

think about that, this is a HUGE cost to hurry up a fab.

Fab 8 is for 28nm and below (ARM and other consumers+AMD Bulk)

Fab 1 is for 32nm and below (AMD alone non bulk)

32nm production will not affect 28nm production by next year, vice versa

45nm is getting EOL because there is no need for 45nm(why continue to produce 45nm when you can go 32nm and 28nm)

Global Foundries is backed by a very and I mean a very rich government technology investor
It isn't high cost to AMD