Duke Nukem Forever

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

Sorry Duke, but maybe Yahtzee from the Escapist was right. 12 years of expectations were something you could never live up to....

I agree, I really don't think there was any way the game could have translated well.

 

[qubit]

Ok, in my tech review of DNF, I pointed out the weird, annoying, inconsistent frame rate drops I saw in this game.

While I still think this is a glitch, perhaps the CPU scaling graph from that Tom's article on DNF can partially explain it?

 

[qubit]

Metacritic gone!

The Metacritic rating has been pulled from the Steam store page: http://store.steampowered.com/app/57900

That seems a bit cheap to me. :shadedshu Looking at the Metacritic website, it's still stuck at 54%, which is where it was a while ago.

They really should put it back.

EDIT: just checked and it's back again. You can all breath a sigh of relief now.

 

[RoutedScripter]

It certainly didn't do my expectations. Kind of griefd caring about it for a year, makes me look stupid.

 

[1Kurgan1]

It certainly didn't do my expectations. Kind of griefd caring about it for a year, makes me look stupid.

Theres the problem, you expected it to be great. The game started development almost 1.5 decades ago. Got to use reason, if you expected it to have jaw dropping graphics and fresh gameplay other games haven't show, you were dreaming. If you went into it expecting and average shooter with dated graphics, then moments like throwing trophies at alien faces makes you giggle and happy. Got to be a realist, don't build up something thats been in development for that long.

 

[happita]

Got to be a realist, don't build up something thats been in development for that long.

Should also say that for Bulldozer....whoops....
WHO SAID THAT?!?!

 

[Ray_Rogers2109]

I'd rather buy a box of shit compared to ever playing this game.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

Theres the problem, you expected it to be great. The game started development almost 1.5 decades ago. Got to use reason, if you expected it to have jaw dropping graphics and fresh gameplay other games haven't show, you were dreaming. If you went into it expecting and average shooter with dated graphics, then moments like throwing trophies at alien faces makes you giggle and happy. Got to be a realist, don't build up something thats been in development for that long.

There's a difference between expecting a golden disc that sings like a choir of angels when you open the case, and expecting something passable. As you wait, the anticipation blurs the lines, but expecting something passable rather then concentrated fail is not unreasonable.

I laughed when I read people were buying the balls of steel edition. I snickered when the first reviews came in, and were as bad as I assumed. I started to pity the game when the reviews started to get nasty. I remained hopeful that anticipation was distorting perspective. Then I played the game...

Duke Nukem isn't being unfairly criticized. Considering the manpower, money, and time that went into this it should have been like two Crysis ninjas taped together to form one giant Crysis ninja (it is a bit far to go for a Venture Bros. reference). What we got was slightly more vile than dish water, and infinitely less polished than Duke 3d.

Fallout 3 has better graphics, a larger world, just as much gunplay, and never made the news question if gamers were all adolescent morons. That from a series that was resurrected, developed, launched, and had a sequel on the market in the time that it took Duke to cross the finish line once. I call shenanigans, and no amount of denial will make this game less of a disappointment.

 

[qubit]

I'd rather buy a box of shit compared to ever playing this game.

I don't like you any more.

 

[happita]

I'd rather buy a box of shit compared to ever playing this game.

People who avoid this game because of how some websites reviewed DNF, just means they are close-minded and are not prone to experiencing new things. I would try most games before making up my mind about them rather than believing someone else's opinion of it.

 

[Ray_Rogers2109]

People who avoid this game because of how some websites reviewed DNF, just means they are close-minded and are not prone to experiencing new things. I would try most games before making up my mind about them rather than believing someone else's opinion of it.

Nah, I was waiting too damn long since 1999 when the game was announced. I lost interest and even know, no thanks. I didn't even read any fucking reviews for this title anyway which means I also very much don't give an absolute fuck.
There could've been several Duke Nukem games in the meantime. They've had their chance and for me their window has long since gone.
It'll be a waste of time to even torrent it.

 

[qubit]

Nah, I was waiting too damn long since 1999 when the game was announced. I lost interest and even know, no thanks. I didn't even read any fucking reviews for this title anyway which means I also very much don't give an absolute fuck.
There could've been several Duke Nukem games in the meantime. They've had their chance and for me their window has long since gone.
It'll be a waste of time to even torrent it.

Awe dude, you sound really bitter and twisted over the long wait. There's no need for that, Just enjoy the game and be done with it!

It's a good game, despite a few flaws. Here, read crazy's and my reviews on TPU:

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147541

 

[Ray_Rogers2109]

Awe dude, you sound really bitter and twisted over the long wait. There's no need for that, Just enjoy the game and be done with it!

It's a good game, despite a few flaws. Here, read crazy's and my reviews on TPU:

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147541

Waited too long, not interested and I'd rather buy other games.

 

[1Kurgan1]

There's a difference between expecting a golden disc that sings like a choir of angels when you open the case, and expecting something passable. As you wait, the anticipation blurs the lines, but expecting something passable rather then concentrated fail is not unreasonable.

I laughed when I read people were buying the balls of steel edition. I snickered when the first reviews came in, and were as bad as I assumed. I started to pity the game when the reviews started to get nasty. I remained hopeful that anticipation was distorting perspective. Then I played the game...

Duke Nukem isn't being unfairly criticized. Considering the manpower, money, and time that went into this it should have been like two Crysis ninjas taped together to form one giant Crysis ninja (it is a bit far to go for a Venture Bros. reference). What we got was slightly more vile than dish water, and infinitely less polished than Duke 3d.

Fallout 3 has better graphics, a larger world, just as much gunplay, and never made the news question if gamers were all adolescent morons. That from a series that was resurrected, developed, launched, and had a sequel on the market in the time that it took Duke to cross the finish line once. I call shenanigans, and no amount of denial will make this game less of a disappointment.

DNF is passable, you can laugh at BSE owners, but being one myself, I'm glad I bought it. I personally felt I had to have my hands on a sexy BSE, after all it is the longest a game has ever been in production and successfully hit the market, it's a part of videogame history.

As far as it being unfairly critsized, I wouldn't say it has been. 3DRealms fucked it up, they put their scope far too large, to say "this game was in developement so long it should be the best game ever x50" doesn't make much sense. the longer a game sits in dev the better chance it has to be utter crap, it will just be out dated by the time it releases. Which is what it is, it's a shooter of 5 - 6 years ago. But if you are sitting there buying a DN, you better damn well be buying it to play Duke, thats what I bought it for. There isn't another main character like him, and I enjoy playing him.

As far as looking worse than FO3, I would have to say that is completely wrong. FO3 has horrible player models, horrible animations (hold forward and strafe then zoom out) that animation isn't even in the game, hasn't been since Oblivion. To compare Duke to the Gamebryo games is fitting though, as those games release buggy as hell, with missing animations, and the community polishes them and makes them look great. Hopefully DNF mods are possible, if not thats fine. I will enjoy my DNF, I will laugh, and I will most likely buy the next one.

Waited too long, not interested and I'd rather buy other games.

Were you stuck in a feverishly anticipated state for 10 years then got exhausted?

 

[rampage]

after reading a bit of this thread im glad i did not buy the game, insted i walked into a local game shop who had a sale on, and after a few minuites of looking around i realised they had the manuals in there game boxes, 1 photo on the phone later and i was out of there, steam later thanked me for my purchase.

i did say to the worker in the shop do they realise they have the manuals/ cd keys still in the box's, he just game me a blank look. oh well

 

[ste2425]

i thought the game was good, by no way brilliant graphicly but still fun to play. I was engrosed enough to want to see it through. I havent played any other duke nukem games so not exactly a hardcore fan fun still found it a fun game to play. Not worth the 30 quid tag news games cost but with a sale on or buying used it'd be worth it.

 

[Widjaja]

Installed a different GPU for testing in my system and did somethng whichh messed up the OS.
Resolved the issue then find Duke Nukem Forever is taking forever to load each level.

AMD DCO for some reason started causing the game to take really long load times.

What's strange is, Duke Nukem installer also installs AMD DCO on Intel based systems and any which have a dual core Intel gets affected big time.

 

[happita]

Installed a different GPU for testing in my system and did somethng whichh messed up the OS.
Resolved the issue then find Duke Nukem Forever is taking forever to load each level.

AMD DCO for some reason started causing the game to take really long load times.

What's strange is, Duke Nukem installer also installs AMD DCO on Intel based systems and any which have a dual core Intel gets affected big time.

That actually happened to me a few times, but it's few and far in between. Actually when I start loading my first saved game it takes a little bit, but when I die and load from that same save, it loads within 10 seconds. Weird problem indeed.

 

[Widjaja]

That actually happened to me a few times, but it's few and far in between. Actually when I start loading my first saved game it takes a little bit, but when I die and load from that same save, it loads within 10 seconds. Weird problem indeed.

I think I have resolved it.
I uninstalled AMD drivers and AMD DCO rebooted, reinstalled both again.
No problems now.

My system had been acting a bit weird after I installed an HD4670 for testing purposes then reinstalling the HD4850.

Resolved the issues now though.
How the AMD drivers had become borked IDK.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

As far as looking worse than FO3, I would have to say that is completely wrong. FO3 has horrible player models, horrible animations (hold forward and strafe then zoom out) that animation isn't even in the game, hasn't been since Oblivion. To compare Duke to the Gamebryo games is fitting though, as those games release buggy as hell, with missing animations, and the community polishes them and makes them look great. Hopefully DNF mods are possible, if not thats fine. I will enjoy my DNF, I will laugh, and I will most likely buy the next one.

I understand Fallout 3 was ugly on the character side. I chose it to compare to DNF for two reasons. It was released unpolished, very much like Duke, and it was from a series that was resurrected after its original devs went the way of the dodo bird,

Community mods were a big part of Fallout 3 (the nexus website is still big to this day). If the community can do the same for Duke I will eat my words gladly. As it stands, you'd have to get some very motivated people together...

I don't assume long development means better games. Click through the extras on the DNF disc, and you are privy to the clusterf**k that was the DNF development cycle. What I am saying is the same amount of resources poured into this game could have made several other amazing games. Each new dev., radical storyline departure, and jarring tone change indicate the cutting and splicing Gear Box had to do. I have nothing but respect for them pulling out an average shooter from this unholy abomination of code.

Passable is a very elastic term. DNF was a passable shooter, but a failure as a whole package. The jokes almost all fell flat on their faces for anyone older than 10 (though I did laugh at a few), the two weapon limit is very not Duke, the graphics vary from polygonal mess to adequate, and the multiplayer is a tacked on joke. Is it passable, I think it is assuming you heed a few caveats. Is it a game for anyone that hasn't invested enough emotion into to consider it their bastard child, not by any means.

 

[qubit]

Ok, in my tech review of DNF, I pointed out the weird, annoying, inconsistent frame rate drops I saw in this game.

While I still think this is a glitch, perhaps the CPU scaling graph from that Tom's article on DNF can partially explain it?

Damn - Tom's couldn't get it to run on a single core CPU and they're not kidding. I disabled a core on my E8500 and it really borks Windows. It doesn't start properly and just hogs the CPU, making Windows barely work. Good news is it can be killed easily with Task Manager.

Looking at the Steam store page, it does list a dual core CPU as a minimum requirement. This seems like an unreasonable requirement for a game that's behind the curve on graphics.

 

[Widjaja]

I think it's odd the AMD dual core optimizer is being installed by the game on every system.

 

[qubit]

Finally!

It took me just 32 hours to finish a 10 hour game. On easy.

I guess I got value for money out of it.

Here's how to enable the cheats without playing or replaying the game:

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2350763#post2350763

 

[Widjaja]

Took me around half a days worth of hours on easy I think.
Only one section pissed me off.
Even on easy I needed trip mines and beer since I had limited space to move about.

 

[qubit]

Took me around half a days worth of hours on easy I think.
Only one section pissed me off.
Even on easy I needed trip mines and beer since I had limited space to move about.

Was that the underwater stuff near the end?