BF3 - To Origin or Not?

[caleb]

obviously the prices are different. obviously even higher with the exchange rate. the point is it is not steam's decision. your logic leading to say that it is was my issue, not the specifics.

Ok dude I get it now, STEAM is charity.

 

[digibucc]

Ok dude I get it now, STEAM is charity.

yeah, because that's what you quoted.

 

[1Kurgan1]

Well Kurgan, Steam in the US is great, but there is a kink in their armor. They do a 1 = 1 conversion of all other currencies so people in other countries pay more for the same game. Hell some countries get a bigger discount for the same reason. That is something that needs to be fixed. They claim they can't keep up with market flux, but they just have to try a little. Update the foreign currencies once every 2 weeks. It shouldn't be that bad.

As for Origin, everyone will have to use it period. Origin is not just their "Steam" client. Origin is now the name of the EA store, EA server login, EA entire online backend. If you play a game by EA or EA owned subsidiaries and it has a online component, it will be using EA Origin. I personally like them unifying everything into one service. While I would prefer Steam, I think Origin is leaps and bounds better than the EA Download Manager and the 12 accounts I have through them for various titles.

Yeah, I've gifted games to Marineborn and he has gifted me some based on the conversion rate at the time. But Origin is EA's Steam, Steam isn't just a store, when you buy a boxed copy of a Valve game you still need Steam, their games are VAC controlled, Steam is Valve, and thats part of the reason some companies don't like it, they believe Steam and Valve should run separate operations, which makes a bit of sense.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

Yeah, I've gifted games to Marineborn and he has gifted me some based on the conversion rate at the time. But Origin is EA's Steam, Steam isn't just a store, when you buy a boxed copy of a Valve game you still need Steam, their games are VAC controlled, Steam is Valve, and thats part of the reason some companies don't like it, they believe Steam and Valve should run separate operations, which makes a bit of sense.

Well those companies, who is really just EA, can eat a dick. This issue with EA is all about VAC vs SecuROM and the difference in the DRMs. I am sorry they can't come to an agreement on this and it looks like BF3 will not be on Steam. I personally have no issues with Origin, so it doesn't matter to me.

 

[1Kurgan1]

Well those companies, who is really just EA, can eat a dick. This issue with EA is all about VAC vs SecuROM and the difference in the DRMs. I am sorry they can't come to an agreement on this and it looks like BF3 will not be on Steam. I personally have no issues with Origin, so it doesn't matter to me.

My personal opinion on the whole ordeal comes down to this. Origin, BF3, and SWTOR all landing about the exact sametime is not coincidence. Sure they could release games and require you to have Origin as you install it. But they want to build a user base thats aware of content being on there. So they wait till they have 2 of the largest titles of the year releasing to let Origin out of the bag. Then they say BF3 isn't coming to Steam. Now thats not a big deal at launch, people who want the game are going to get it. But the thing it does impact is future sales. Steam is the go to distributor for deals. I've seen so many more people pick up BC2 each time it went on sale.

So what I see happening is, EA/Origin holding their ground on BF3, they want to get as many pre-orders as they can on BF3 and TOR. Then 2 months down the line they will fold and it will land on Steam once a majority of the sales have already passed through Origin. And they will do that because there are some people who want it, but not that bad, and the deal breaker is it being on Steam. Guess we'll see if that comes true or not, but it makes sense to me. Without 2 of the largest titles of the year backing Origin, it might not really have a leg to stand on, to give it a chance to survive they have to make these titles exclusive till the majority of the sales are done.

 

[Boneface]

My preorder was gifted to me and couldnt be done through Origins, but i would have went through origins if i could have!

 

[The_Ish]

I'll buy the disc, but isn't Origin needed to launch it anyway? :S
In any case, I find that one online service is enough, and I already have steam so. That's my reason, I don't have anything against it per se.

 

[1Kurgan1]

I'll buy the disc, but isn't Origin needed to launch it anyway? :S
In any case, I find that one online service is enough, and I already have steam so. That's my reason, I don't have anything against it per se.

It's unknown I believe if Origin will be needed to launch it, but I would bet my money on it being needed.

 

[ZenZimZaliben]

It's unknown I believe if Origin will be needed to launch it, but I would bet my money on it being needed.

I think it is also Unknown. Think there is a lot of confusion going on with the renaming of EA Account to Origin. You will have to have an Origin account, but that will be the same as your EA account. You shouldn't have to do anything.

There is a difference between an Origin Account and the Origin Client. I do not see any hard facts, just a lot of FUD, that the client will be needed. It probably will be so EA can spam me with all their great game ads and crap, but I'm hoping not. I REALLY do not want another client running in the background sucking up system resources when not required.

 

[xenocide]

You will need Origin to play BF3. Period. It was setup that way in the Alpha, and they have said they are keeping the same setup, just making adjustments. Your EA Account is now an Origin Account, and you sign in through Origin, launch the game which opens the Browser-based Server Browser, and connect to servers through that. Since you asked for Sources here are several:

http://bf3blog.com/2011/08/origin-required-to-play-battlefield-3/
http://www.1up.com/news/even-retail-copies-battlefield-3-require-origin
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/112232-Battlefield-3-Will-Require-Origin
http://pc.ign.com/articles/118/1187538p1.html
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-12-origin-required-to-play-battlefield-3

 

[ZenZimZaliben]

You will need Origin to play BF3. Period. It was setup that way in the Alpha, and they have said they are keeping the same setup, just making adjustments. Your EA Account is now an Origin Account, and you sign in through Origin, launch the game which opens the Browser-based Server Browser, and connect to servers through that. Since you asked for Sources here are several:

http://bf3blog.com/2011/08/origin-required-to-play-battlefield-3/
http://www.1up.com/news/even-retail-copies-battlefield-3-require-origin
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/112232-Battlefield-3-Will-Require-Origin
http://pc.ign.com/articles/118/1187538p1.html
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-12-origin-required-to-play-battlefield-3

Ehhh that really sucks. Makes me want to not buy the game... but of course that won't happen.

 

[Rapidfire48]

Ehhh that really sucks. Makes me want to not buy the game... but of course that won't happen.

It is really not much different than running steam. In my opinion the browser based system during alpha worked great for me.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Heres my question. Is it better to preorder it on Origin or to get it at Gamestop? What are the perks (if any) that Origin has over what Gamestop is offering for the game?

 

[AphexDreamer]

Bought it off Origin to get Beta and since we are forced to use why not just preorder it there and get the beta?

Don't really care for a hard copy, if I really want a hard copy I'd just buy it when its on sale.

Otherwise I want to play the game as soon as possible and to me nothing is faster than preloading and playing the game the exact moment its released.

I'd perfer steam, but since we have no choice... Also I'm kind of optimistic with Origin. Perhaps now that steam has another potential competitor this will result in some benefits for the consumers.

Heres my question. Is it better to preorder it on Origin or to get it at Gamestop? What are the perks (if any) that Origin has over what Gamestop is offering for the game?

I say it above, but you get the early access to the Beta and a DLC.

 

[ShiBDiB]

Heres my question. Is it better to preorder it on Origin or to get it at Gamestop? What are the perks (if any) that Origin has over what Gamestop is offering for the game?

Google u lazy turd

Preordering through EA’s new digital distribution service Origin has the most benefits overall – it will allow you to preorder BF3 before release so you can play it the moment it unlocks, and will grant you exclusive early access to the BF3 Beta in September. In addition to the Back to Karkand expansion pack, you will also receive the Physical Warfare pack which gives you day-one unlocks on the DAO-12 shotgun and Type-88 LMG as well as flash suppressor and flechette ammo customizations. On top of that, you get a couple of BFlay4Free items.

If you preorder from Best Buy, you will receive the SPECACT kit (like in BC2), which gives you an alternate set of player skins (8 in total, purely cosmetic) for each class, as well as Back to Karkand. Preordering from GameStop will get you Back to Karkand, the Physical Warfare pack, and for PowerUp Rewards members only, a free digital copy of the Prima strategy guide to BF3. If you preorder Battlefield 3 from Amazon, you’ll get Back to Karkand and a set of five unique dog tags you can use to represent yourself ingame.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Bought it off Origin to get Beta and since we are forced to use why not just preorder it there and get the beta?

Don't really care for a hard copy, if I really want a hard copy I'd just buy it when its on sale.

Otherwise I want to play the game as soon as possible and to me nothing is faster than preloading and playing the game the exact moment its released.

I'd perfer steam, but since we have no choice... Also I'm kind of optimistic with Origin. Perhaps now that steam has another potential competitor this will result in some benefits for the consumers.





I say it above, but you get the early access to the Beta and a DLC.

I was also told that if we own BC2 wed get beta access as well, but i personally find that hard to believe.

Google u lazy turd

If i went straight to google for everything, it woudlnt give us, the community, a chance to bond.

 

[ShiBDiB]

If i went straight to google for everything, it woudlnt give us, the community, a chance to bond.

which is why I called u a turd and not one of my usual comments that would get me another infraction

 

[Bow]

pre ordered........just waiting

 

[qubit]

Sorry guys I'm on the side where competition should be everywhere ,otherwise you get ripped off. And this is what steam is all about. All their prices are fkn high and you get happy when the game is sold at real market value. Actually its Steams own fault that EA pulled their stuff off. If Steam was a normal open client (with open API for developers) where you could add the same game you buy in a store so the steam client behaves exactly the same way it would with steam bought stuff then I agree its cool because steam client does its job nicely. Sadly all the noob producers go with steam and its only EA that has a leet enough title to turn the tables a bit(so don't worry not all producers will go this way).
I agree that having another noob client is a crap solution but lets me hope there will be one open standard that would link all games without the need to buy games through it so it works.

I agree, there are prices are indeed high, unless the game is on sale. There standard prices are usually higher than the same game on disc from an online retailer. If anyone disagrees with this, simply do a comparison.

I agree that an open API would be awesome, but it isn't gonna happen, because the whole point of running the Steam platform is to lock you in and prevent you selling your game (think all that crap about games publishers trying to "combat" second hand games that they have no right to do).

What we need are the likes of www.gog.com with their totally unrestricted DRM-free model to become more successful. I've bought a few games off them now, some of them which I already had, specifically to support them. That's the only thing that will potentially shake things up.

Steams prices are high? 10% discount on all games that usually aren't even out yet, constant sales, are you drunk? Before I used Steam I was a pirate, the insanely low cost of games on Steam is the one and only thing that actually brought me back into buying games. You are the first person I have ever heard complain about Steam prices.

You must not understand how the market works on setting prices though since it seems you assume Steam sets their price at the same cost as boxed prices (when they don't have to make a disc, manuals, or a box), which is what I assume by your real market value statement. Retail chains would never allow Steam to put their copies at a lower price, Wal-Mart and Gamestop are massive resellers, and if they knew someone else was allowed to sell it cheaper, they would just pull that publishers titles from their shelves until that publisher wised up.

Of course Steam generally price their games higher than retail (I'm not talking special offers). Just do a comparison of a handful of games. Here's one example to start you off: (I realize that you're in the USA and will see the dollar price for this game and I'm in the UK)

CoD: Black Ops

Steam price: £40
Amazon price: £20 for the disc

Neither is on special offer, so Steam are a complete rip-off!

Now, to be fair, I've looked up a couple of other retailers too:

Game: £20 like Amazon for the disc - but they offer the download only version for £35 WTF?

play.com £35 for the disc version. Very uncompetitive with the other retailers, I think you'll agree.

I get the impression that there's some sort of cartel-like agreement to keep the retailers in business, where you pay less for having the convenience of downloading (assuming a fast internet connection, of course), just look at the Game example.

 

[DannibusX]

Prices on Steam are usually dictated by the publisher, not Steam itself. $59.99 is the price Activision wants for Black Ops.

 

[xenocide]

Prices on Steam are usually dictated by the publisher, not Steam itself. $59.99 is the price Activision wants for Black Ops.

I pointed that out and everyone just kind of ignored it. Apparently the easiest way to respond to a rebuttal is to pretend it never happened...

 

[ViperXTR]

most likely the disc version for me, EA games are sold cheap in our area (asia) and cheaper vs steam.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

Prices on Steam are usually dictated by the publisher, not Steam itself. $59.99 is the price Activision wants for Black Ops.

I pointed that out and everyone just kind of ignored it. Apparently the easiest way to respond to a rebuttal is to pretend it never happened...

Cause it wasn't a rebuttal. The set price for a game is not the issue. It is the lack of conversion when the price is translated to a foreign market.

 

[qubit]

Prices on Steam are usually dictated by the publisher, not Steam itself. $59.99 is the price Activision wants for Black Ops.

I pointed that out and everyone just kind of ignored it. Apparently the easiest way to respond to a rebuttal is to pretend it never happened...

I'm sure that's true. It's complementary to my point, too.

 

[xenocide]

I'm sure that's true. It's complementary to my point, too.

So you're essentially saying Steam is bad because they allow the Publishers to set the price and decide when their content should be on sale? I believe a new copy of Black Ops for PC costs the same at GameStop as it does on Steam. Amazon tends to sell their stuff at a loss knowing customers will generally buy other good through them to more than compensate, so it's hard to compare to them.

Cause it wasn't a rebuttal. The set price for a game is not the issue. It is the lack of conversion when the price is translated to a foreign market.

It is when the Publisher sets the price. That means the Publisher isn't doing conversion probably because they know it will result in less profit for them. Blame Activision\EA for not properly pricing their products in your\those regions.