AMD's Bulldozer 8.4GHz+ OC Achievement: Cooled to Near-Absolute Zero

[cdawall]

This is all fluff.

Liquid helium and near-zero is so damned cold you couldn't and wouldn't be handling it bare-handed out of a thermos flash or holding your hand to shield the evaporating gases (like the video showed). The video is therefore fake and is just a "imaging" for the sake of PR, and the actual superclock was not achieved "live" in the way they were pretending.

way to watch the whole video LHe is used the same way it was used on the last set of AMD overclocks

We also learned that the "random CPUs in a box and the 4th one did it", well that box was cock full of pre-cherry picked samples.

they were cherry picked for the VID's no one said they were random chips they did however say they were untested until now. This is easily believable since this has happened several times now.

We also heard that AMD broke the GUINESS World Record. But no such record previously existed.

yup it is SUCH a lie i mean they hand the plaques out all over the place

In my mind, there is only one question: HOW MANY untruths were told in that PR stunt, and given the number of untruths, do I feel ethically compelled to avoid such a dishonest company? (and I'm still sitting on that question, but I'm getting awfully close to the answer).

In your mind you appear to not know how to read or watch an entire video.

 

[Mussels]

i wish people knew how to read these news articles without resulting in trolling and bullshit.



8.4GHz on LN2 is a world record for LN2 - which means these chips might well also break records on other cooling.

these could become the fastest clocking chips on water and air as well, if this holds as a constant (and its not just a freak chip)

 

[cdawall]

i wish people knew how to read these news articles without resulting in trolling and bullshit.



8.4GHz on LN2 is a world record for LN2 - which means these chips might well also break records on other cooling.

these could become the fastest clocking chips on water and air as well, if this holds as a constant (and its not just a freak chip)

this record is for silicone based cpu. this record was also done on LHe not LN2...

 

[Mussels]

this record is for silicone based cpu. this record was also done on LHe not LN2...

i have no idea what these liquids are, dont hold my ideas to account based on my failure at chemistry. or spelling. or math.


i just want people to be aware that there is implications that these chips could be the best overclockers in the market on non extreme cooling as well, and if they are - well thats newsworthy.

 

[trickson]

i have no idea what these liquids are, dont hold my ideas to account based on my failure at chemistry. or spelling. or math.


i just want people to be aware that there is implications that these chips could be the best overclockers in the market on non extreme cooling as well, and if they are - well thats newsworthy.

Agreed .

 

[cdawall]

i have no idea what these liquids are, dont hold my ideas to account based on my failure at chemistry. or spelling. or math.


i just want people to be aware that there is implications that these chips could be the best overclockers in the market on non extreme cooling as well, and if they are - well thats newsworthy.

Don't worry was just tossing the info out there so you didn't get called an idiot As you said it is very likely these chips will scale very well on all temps which would be quite nice. they did scale quite a bit more according to this video than the old chips did jumping from LN2 to LHe which honestly surprised me. if -40C is worth almost a 1ghz on the top end i hope AMD pops a few more WR's.

 

[caleb]

What makes you guys think that the OC results on air will be also good in its own category ?
Because some other CPU that beat a record also did?

 

[eidairaman1]

i wish people knew how to read these news articles without resulting in trolling and bullshit.



8.4GHz on LN2 is a world record for LN2 - which means these chips might well also break records on other cooling.

these could become the fastest clocking chips on water and air as well, if this holds as a constant (and its not just a freak chip)

You gotta realize in the other thread about bulldozer there was plenty of that, n it seems its all the intel fanboys who troll in AMD threads, I can name a few here n the previous thread... Tell You the truth the ones that do troll the threads like that have an inferiority complex n are fearful that their stuff will get stomped on, then again i guess they also claim their penis size is not wut its truthful n fact small.

 

[Completely Bonkers]

yup it is SUCH a lie i mean they hand the plaques out all over the place

[url]http://www.brightsideofnews.com/Data/2011_9_13/iBUYPOWER-Launches-Worlds-Fastest-AMD-FX-8150-Powered-System/IBUYPOWER_Darren_Su_689.jpg[/URL]

In your mind you appear to not know how to read or watch an entire video.

I find that last comment a personal attack and insult. tut-tut.

Kindly note that I did not say that they didn't SET a World Record. I said that there was no previous Guinness World Record. AMD set up this as a *new* record category. So all this "RECORD BREAKERS" is a bit misrepresentative. OK, so they SET the "first world record" in one run, and then they "BROKE that said record 10 minutes later" etc.

Read again the thread and my posts. I did not say it was not true. I am saying it is sloppy or inaccurate or disingenuous PR and journalism. All that video material might have got you hot but to me I am pretty close to absolute zero. It doesn't get me excited.

You might 50cc motorcycle racing. I don't.
I might like Monster Trucks. You don't. Well actually, I don't either, but the point is, my interest in CPU technology is different to yours. Personally, I am more interested in POWER as in performance, or LOW POWER as in it can operate on just two electrodes in a gnat's piss.

Anyway, enough of hair-splitting.

Great news: able to keep a CPU stable without frying itself at 8+ GHz
Bad news: no benchmarks to demonstrate ability for that overclocked CPU to be able to complete any benchmark or even a level of minesweeper


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In other news, there is a discussion about unshielded 8GHz+ frequencies on the PC. With these (relatively) high voltages and currents there is a measurable about of electromagnetic noise/radiation being created compared to a regular PC. What is the level of electromagnetic radiation being given off? Above 8GHz is X Band Radiation. X Band is used for radar detectors, Air traffic control... etc.

Remember how a mobile phone can cause interference with your PC and speakers? Creating 8GHz radiation can cause all sorts of legal issues, and requires formal licensing if unshielded. You aren't going to crash an aeroplane through Air traffic interference, but just like "CB radio" or "Band G and Band A wifi" it is a grey legal area until it is sorted.

 

[de.das.dude]

This is all fluff.

Liquid helium and near-zero is so damned cold you couldn't and wouldn't be handling it bare-handed out of a thermos flash or holding your hand to shield the evaporating gases (like the video showed). The video is therefore fake and is just a "imaging" for the sake of PR, and the actual superclock was not achieved "live" in the way they were pretending.

We also learned that the "random CPUs in a box and the 4th one did it", well that box was cock full of pre-cherry picked samples.

We also heard that AMD broke the GUINESS World Record. But no such record previously existed.

In my mind, there is only one question: HOW MANY untruths were told in that PR stunt, and given the number of untruths, do I feel ethically compelled to avoid such a dishonest company? (and I'm still sitting on that question, but I'm getting awfully close to the answer).

this guy definitely works for intel.

 

[de.das.dude]

This is all fluff.

Liquid helium and near-zero is so damned cold you couldn't and wouldn't be handling it bare-handed out of a thermos flash or holding your hand to shield the evaporating gases (like the video showed). The video is therefore fake and is just a "imaging" for the sake of PR, and the actual superclock was not achieved "live" in the way they were pretending.

We also learned that the "random CPUs in a box and the 4th one did it", well that box was cock full of pre-cherry picked samples.

We also heard that AMD broke the GUINESS World Record. But no such record previously existed.

In my mind, there is only one question: HOW MANY untruths were told in that PR stunt, and given the number of untruths, do I feel ethically compelled to avoid such a dishonest company? (and I'm still sitting on that question, but I'm getting awfully close to the answer).

I find that last comment a personal attack and insult. tut-tut.

Kindly note that I did not say that they didn't SET a World Record. I said that there was no previous Guinness World Record. AMD set up this as a *new* record category. So all this "RECORD BREAKERS" is a bit misrepresentative. OK, so they SET the "first world record" in one run, and then they "BROKE that said record 10 minutes later" etc.

Read again the thread and my posts. I did not say it was not true. I am saying it is sloppy or inaccurate or disingenuous PR and journalism. All that video material might have got you hot but to me I am pretty close to absolute zero. It doesn't get me excited.

You might 50cc motorcycle racing. I don't.
I might like Monster Trucks. You don't. Well actually, I don't either, but the point is, my interest in CPU technology is different to yours. Personally, I am more interested in POWER as in performance, or LOW POWER as in it can operate on just two electrodes in a gnat's piss.

Anyway, enough of hair-splitting.

Great news: able to keep a CPU stable without frying itself at 8+ GHz
Bad news: no benchmarks to demonstrate ability for that overclocked CPU to be able to complete any benchmark or even a level of minesweeper


++++

In other news, there is a discussion about unshielded 8GHz+ frequencies on the PC. With these (relatively) high voltages and currents there is a measurable about of electromagnetic noise/radiation being created compared to a regular PC. What is the level of electromagnetic radiation being given off? Above 8GHz is X Band Radiation. X Band is used for radar detectors, Air traffic control... etc.

Remember how a mobile phone can cause interference with your PC and speakers? Creating 8GHz radiation can cause all sorts of legal issues, and requires formal licensing if unshielded. You aren't going to crash an aeroplane through Air traffic interference, but just like "CB radio" or "Band G and Band A wifi" it is a grey legal area until it is sorted.

i think it was pretty clear you were trying to "brush" of an amazing feat.

free advice: if you dont know how to behave you should stay out of posting BS.

 

[Fourstaff]

Kindly note that I did not say that they didn't SET a World Record. I said that there was no previous Guinness World Record. AMD set up this as a *new* record category. So all this "RECORD BREAKERS" is a bit misrepresentative. OK, so they SET the "first world record" in one run, and then they "BROKE that said record 10 minutes later" etc.

Pretty sure the world record is set by P4 back in the days. Whether its officially registered with Guinness or not is a matter of contention, but fact is that they broke it, and deserves some recognition.

Read again the thread and my posts. I did not say it was not true. I am saying it is sloppy or inaccurate or disingenuous PR and journalism. All that video material might have got you hot but to me I am pretty close to absolute zero. It doesn't get me excited.

This is your usual PR, with your usual amount of spin. I didn't get hot from the news either, but it doesn't give me the right to criticise what they have done, especially if they have done nothing which breaks the law. Sue them for misinformation and get them right if you firmly believe they are doing false marketing. Otherwise, you will have to accept the fact that while this is not your most sincere advert, it is at least based on truths, a quality not all adverts have.

... my interest in CPU technology is different to yours. Personally, I am more interested in POWER as in performance, or LOW POWER as in it can operate on just two electrodes in a gnat's piss.

This article was about things which you do not like, so why come in and complain? Please consciously refrain from trolling posts, intentional or not.

Great news: able to keep a CPU stable without frying itself at 8+ GHz
Bad news: no benchmarks to demonstrate ability for that overclocked CPU to be able to complete any benchmark or even a level of minesweeper

This sums it up, but then again, they weren't aiming for 8.4GHz stable, so they are not obliged to show stability.

 

[heky]

And whats so great about this 8.4ghz? Ok they showed they can clock a little higher then a few years old celerons, cooled with liquid helium. So in what way is it the fastest processor? It isnt! It is the fastest clocking processor, but far from anything else. Or was the celeron also the fastest prcessor? I mean, dooooh

 

[qubit]

And whats so great about this 8.4ghz? Ok they showed they can clock a little higher then a few years old celerons, cooled with liquid helium. So in what way is it the fastest processor? It isnt! It is the fastest clocking processor, but far from anything else. Or was the celeron also the fastest prcessor? I mean, dooooh

They're just setting a world overclocking record as a PR exercise and talking point. It's not meant to be taken too seriously.

 

[slyfox2151]

This is all fluff.

Liquid helium and near-zero is so damned cold you couldn't and wouldn't be handling it bare-handed out of a thermos flash or holding your hand to shield the evaporating gases (like the video showed). The video is therefore fake and is just a "imaging" for the sake of PR, and the actual superclock was not achieved "live" in the way they were pretending.

how is liquid helium any different to handling liquid nitrogen bare handed? people do it all the time.... it evaporates off your skin too fast to burn you if its only a small amount.


unless liquid helium is somehow different to nitrogen? ( search you tube for people drinking it / pouring it over there skin)

(yes i know its colder)



EDIT:
according to this guy hes even stuck his hand in liquid helium briefly.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110126102947AA9HsZG




its actually more dangerous to ware gloves with liquid nitrogen as it will stay on them and freeze them to your hands.

 

[Completely Bonkers]

I wouldn't try that sly. (Sticking your hand in a vessel of liquid helium)

http://hasylab.desy.de/e78/e1380/e3132
http://www.lindegas.hu/hu/images/2471-15683.pdf

Standard safety precautions: gloves and goggles... to avoid any splashes. Since it boils at such a low temperature, a splash tends to be "more exciting" that just - say - splashing water. However, since the quantities usually handled are relatively small, and the space they are used in are relatively large, the risks are just direct contact with these super low temperatures and the "burns" they might cause.

Remember "wafting" your hand over a supercooled metal object without gloves isnt clever. Your skin could stick to it! Just like holding a frozen pipe in winter, but worse.

After you asked your question, I googled and saw some nasty burns/accidents with liquid He. But not necessarily more or worse than liquid N. Of course, it all depends on quantities.

 

[cdawall]

And whats so great about this 8.4ghz? Ok they showed they can clock a little higher then a few years old celerons, cooled with liquid helium. So in what way is it the fastest processor? It isnt! It is the fastest clocking processor, but far from anything else. Or was the celeron also the fastest prcessor? I mean, dooooh

Its the first high end next gen chip to do so. Know of any other quad/hexa/octa chips that can break 8ghz?

 

[heky]

Its the first high end next gen chip to do so. Know of any other quad/hexa/octa chips that can break 8ghz?

It doesnt matter, since they used 2 cores anyway. With all cores enabled it doesnt even come close to 8ghz!

 

[Easy Rhino]

keep it civil, kids.

 

[cadaveca]

they were cherry picked for the VID's no one said they were random chips they did however say they were untested until now. This is easily believable since this has happened several times now.

Um...there was more than VID binning, IMHO, just FYI. I see more than just VID listings there:

Of course, personally, i think pre-binning for something like this is not really important(and expected), but it does show that not all chips are able to do this, which does raise question to just how important, or not, events like this are. At least AMD isn't claiming that all chips can do this, but they DID SAY "expect higher clocks soon".

 

[eidairaman1]

And whats so great about this 8.4ghz? Ok they showed they can clock a little higher then a few years old celerons, cooled with liquid helium. So in what way is it the fastest processor? It isnt! It is the fastest clocking processor, but far from anything else. Or was the celeron also the fastest prcessor? I mean, dooooh

if you dont like it you dont have to stay. this is a multicore running at 8.4 GHz n the performance is considerably higher than any celeron. N it seems its always the fanboys of intel that always troll the AMD threads

 

[Fourstaff]

if you dont like it you dont have to stay. this is a multicore running at 8.4 GHz n the performance is considerably higher than any celeron.

Actually I think only one module was active at the time. Whether its multicore that is going to cause shitstorm, but to me its still one "core" so to speak.

 

[heky]

if you dont like it you dont have to stay. this is a multicore running at 8.4 GHz n the performance is considerably higher than any celeron. N it seems its always the fanboys of intel that always troll the AMD threads

Who are you to tell me i dont have to stay. I have the right to express my opinion. And for your information, i am not an intel fanboy, i have many amd rigs at home. For my main rig i am currently using a intel i7 2600k, since it just brigns the best performance for money atm.

 

[Steven B]

I have access to liquid helium if anyone wants to come to DC and OC lol.

 

[digibucc]

that number alone is something some people are interested in. i'm looking forward to seeing performance numbers, but i am not frothing at the mouth.

if a technological record such as this only means "hype" to you, then maybe you could just leave it alone. i for one think it's awesome that a cpu is running at nearly 8.4ghz. we are pretty close to a 10ghz cpu now, and i think that alone is something worth mentioning.

Who are you to tell me i dont have to stay.

you don't have to go. you don't have to stay. you don't have to eat crap.

ok

he wasn't TELLING you to do anything, so calm down. the point is as mine above, we think this alone is cool - so if all you want to do is drag on it, you don't HAVE to do that here. you don't HAVE to try and ruin this for people who like it.