AMD FX 8150 Looks Core i7-980X and Core i7 2600K in the Eye: AMD Benchmarks

[Inceptor]

@Inceptor I know what I said to the guy and exactly what was stated to me...I was torn in between BD n Ivy so I wanted to see if they could give some sort of hint towards BDs release. I really wanted to go AMD but at the same time I really wanted to upgrade as I was getting tired of slowdowns on my htpc. anyways I wanted to build now so I couldn't wait any longer as the rep was telling me that the new AMD boards would be late Jan to Mid Feb...so I went i5 2500k route.

I'm sure you do know what you said and what was said to you, I have no way of questioning that, since it's so vague...

But what I do know is that the AM3+ motherboard from Gigabyte, that I own, IS a BD compatible board; Gigabyte just released another BIOS update for it, to tweak BD support...
... which is consistent with all reports and news so far... and that is not at all vague...

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3894#ov
"To enable AM3+ AMD FX-Series CPU support, please update your motherboard with the most current BIOS found in your motherboard’s download section. "

[that's the third update.]

From what I can see only MSI isn't listing the FX series. Asus, Asrock, Gigabyte, Biostar, all have FX support.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-bulldozer-cpu-fx-series-motherboard,13342.html

At least for Gigabyte, the support is there, and the F4 BIOS is currently the latest update for their 990FX boards (As of Aug 31st/Sept 1st). Any problems with a change in board requirements would have been communicated months before to the board manufacturers, since that is the lead time they work with, from AMD or Intel. The chips are manufactured, and in the process of being shipped, the final engineering took place quite some time ago. The boards are manufactured and have been updated with the needed BIOS/UEFI settings.
So, either the MSI representative you spoke to did not understand what you were asking and gave you another piece of information (whatever it was that you specifically asked...). Or, MSI made a serious error in their board designs that have since gone to market, something that isn't correctable with a BIOS/UEFI update...

 

[eidairaman1]

If the Board has the black slot on it, it will support BD but I suspect a bios update in the works for MSI

I'm sure you do know what you said and what was said to you, I have no way of questioning that, since it's so vague...

But what I do know is that the AM3+ motherboard from Gigabyte, that I own, IS a BD compatible board; Gigabyte just released another BIOS update for it, to tweak BD support...
... which is consistent with all reports and news so far... and that is not at all vague...

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3894#ov
"To enable AM3+ AMD FX-Series CPU support, please update your motherboard with the most current BIOS found in your motherboard’s download section. "

[that's the third update.]

From what I can see only MSI isn't listing the FX series. Asus, Asrock, Gigabyte, Biostar, all have FX support.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-bulldozer-cpu-fx-series-motherboard,13342.html

At least for Gigabyte, the support is there, and the F4 BIOS is currently the latest update for their 990FX boards (As of Aug 31st/Sept 1st). Any problems with a change in board requirements would have been communicated months before to the board manufacturers, since that is the lead time they work with, from AMD or Intel. The chips are manufactured, and in the process of being shipped, the final engineering took place quite some time ago. The boards are manufactured and have been updated with the needed BIOS/UEFI settings.
So, either the MSI representative you spoke to did not understand what you were asking and gave you another piece of information (whatever it was that you specifically asked...). Or, MSI made a serious error in their board designs that have since gone to market, something that isn't correctable with a BIOS/UEFI update...

 

[Frick]

My €55 Asus board supports BD.

 

[Volkszorn88]

My €55 Asus board supports BD.

Ye, but how are the OC abilites on that board? Unless you don't plan on doing any OC.

 

[Frick]

Ye, but how are the OC abilites on that board? Unless you don't plan on doing any OC.

Eh, good enough. Looks exactly like the 785G board I had and that was pretty good. I have not tried it out a lot though, I don't really need more CPU power than I already have..

 

[ViperXTR]

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GTX_480_PCI-Express_Scaling/images/perfrel.gif

I don't know, you tell me. When you see only a 7% drop in performance from 16x bandwidth to 4x bandwidth do you think they maybe limited by PCIe 2.0?

Maybe i guess there would be 1-2fps average increase (at least comparing it to an 8X).

Ah yes microstutter, just read about it in techreport recently

 

[v12dock]

And how did I miss this...

 

[Inceptor]

You know, I'm wondering...
Originally, AMD was saying that BD chips would use HyperTransport 3.1 (6400MT/s).
According to the Tom's hardware link I gave in my last post, the models slated for first release are using HyperTransport 3.0 (5200MT/s). And current AM3+ boards only support up to HT 3.0. It can't be because the technology is not available for the boards.
So, maybe the BD cpus with HT 3.1 support are Q1 or Q2 2012 -- meaning the FX-8170, FX-4170, etc.
An improved IMC?
This puts into perspective the mysterious MSI comments communicated to springs113 about new boards coming in the new year.
And PCI-E 3.0?

Just speculation.

 

[springs113]

You know, I'm wondering...
Originally, AMD was saying that BD chips would use HyperTransport 3.1 (6400MT/s).
According to the Tom's hardware link I gave in my last post, the models slated for first release are using HyperTransport 3.0 (5200MT/s). And current AM3+ boards only support up to HT 3.0. It can't be because the technology is not available for the boards.
So, maybe the BD cpus with HT 3.1 support are Q1 or Q2 2012 -- meaning the FX-8170, FX-4170, etc.
An improved IMC?
This puts into perspective the mysterious MSI comments communicated to springs113 about new boards coming in the new year.
And PCI-E 3.0?

Just speculation.

I was curious as to what should be my next build, the MSI agent did specifically state that the 990 chipset was not built for BD and that the new boards were in fact coming out next quarter. He did say AMD made some changes but he was not specific but maybe it was what you noticed. I'm not backing him at all but I wanted to build now with a decent upgrade path and wanted the best possible solution which was Intel.

All I want is a competitive BD and my 7980 I'll be good for atleast 3 more years

 

[Ahhzz]

All I know, is a 980x is about a grand. An FX-8150 is about a quarter that. I'll take two, please, and thank you.

 

[Bronan]

That isn't what AMD says. From their own marketting slide: "4 extra cores"...



I don't think there is a single app today that HT has to be turned off in. In fact I had one of the first HT processors, a 478 P4, and never had to turn it off. There were some apps that ran slightly better with it off, but nothing that was really noticeable.

LoL you yell alot but its nonsense when you use power programs like me which heat up those crappy intel cpu's alot.
All my amd's run cooler then the intel counterparts, you should try to run GIMPS on your so called 8 cores and then come back and tell me what the real performance of your so called cores is....... Indeed 4 times a joke.
In fact programs which search for the biggest primes and such (scientific work) benefit from and are in fact most of the time faster on amd machines.
Its HT not a core at all you just try to run another thread (program) on a fake cpu.
The way amd has made the module even though some parts are shared they look to me are real cores for programs, but untill i have one for testing here i can not say if its a good solution when it comes to the programs which i use.
Believe me they stress the real cpu cores at their max, like furmark does on your videocard.
As i do want them lazy cpu's to work

Ofcourse intels new toy is not bad, but intel does use tricks to improve performance often.
For instance when you watch bluray in full hd the intel solution skips frames to speed up the visual appearance while amd really does show all frames and not skip them, yes its hard to see cause most people will not see it only people like me see the flikkering as i see with tl lights.
Still its just cheating the big mass who do not notice it directly

 

[ivicagmc]

I don't know if this is already posted, or is it valid, but here it is, very disappointing performance of bulldozer... link...
http://obrovsky.blogspot.com/2011/09/amd-fx-vs-p-ii-x6-clock-clock.html

 

[repman244]

I don't know if this is already posted, or is it valid, but here it is, very disappointing performance of bulldozer... link...
http://obrovsky.blogspot.com/2011/09/amd-fx-vs-p-ii-x6-clock-clock.html

No offense but OBR is a joke. He himself admitted of creating fake scores, so why should we still trust him?

 

[ivicagmc]

No offense but OBR is a joke. He himself admitted of creating fake scores, so why should we still trust him?

I just found that on another forum: I hope it is a fake, because I already bought AM3+ motherboard for bulldozer, it better not disappoint me again, or I go to intel, forever...

 

[Damn_Smooth]

I don't know if this is already posted, or is it valid, but here it is, very disappointing performance of bulldozer... link...
http://obrovsky.blogspot.com/2011/09/amd-fx-vs-p-ii-x6-clock-clock.html

Bwahahahaha..... OBR..... seriously man, that's a good one.

 

[repman244]

I just found that on another forum: I hope it is a fake, because I already bought AM3+ motherboard for bulldozer, it better not disappoint me again, or I go to intel, forever...

Just stop and think about it, would you spend a truckload of money to make something that is slower than you already have?
It's just silly, BD has higher IPC and higher clock which leads to higher performance.

So don't worry, it will be a nice upgrade.

 

[ensabrenoir]

LoL you yell alot but its nonsense when you use power programs like me which heat up those crappy intel cpu's alot.
All my amd's run cooler then the intel counterparts, you should try to run GIMPS on your so called 8 cores and then come back and tell me what the real performance of your so called cores is....... Indeed 4 times a joke.
In fact programs which search for the biggest primes and such (scientific work) benefit from and are in fact most of the time faster on amd machines.
Its HT not a core at all you just try to run another thread (program) on a fake cpu.
The way amd has made the module even though some parts are shared they look to me are real cores for programs, but untill i have one for testing here i can not say if its a good solution when it comes to the programs which i use.
Believe me they stress the real cpu cores at their max, like furmark does on your videocard.
As i do want them lazy cpu's to work

Ofcourse intels new toy is not bad, but intel does use tricks to improve performance often.
For instance when you watch bluray in full hd the intel solution skips frames to speed up the visual appearance while amd really does show all frames and not skip them, yes its hard to see cause most people will not see it only people like me see the flikkering as i see with tl lights.
Still its just cheating the big mass who do not notice it directly

I have a i7 860. Its a four core with ht. Never seen intel market any of its cpus as having extra cores because of ht. A for core is a four core. A duo core is 2 cores. Ht is ht we all know what it does. I love amd gpus and really want 2 give their cpus a chance. It perfectly fine you feel so passionately for amd but that's just venom . Don't go superman because of marketing slides. Even if bd lives up to its claims intel being intel already has one in the chamber and a whole new. Machine in the holster. This is indeed interesting times

 

[eidairaman1]

All I know, is a 980x is about a grand. An FX-8150 is about a quarter that. I'll take two, please, and thank you.

Build an Opteron Setup, last you longer 16core Power

 

[Ahhzz]

Thought about that, and before I changed my system specs in drooling anticipation, a Denmark 170 was listed. However, the only boards I'm finding for the Opty's are server, and the vast majority of those are dual proc boards, which I REALLY don't need.....

 

[Goodman]

I just found that on another forum: I hope it is a fake, because I already bought AM3+ motherboard for bulldozer, it better not disappoint me again, or I go to intel, forever...

Or you could buy a PII x6 & overclock the hell of it , should last you for a good year or so...
As PII x6 should get a price cut after bulldozer is out

 

[Ahhzz]

Hmmm... buy a year-old-plus proc, and get a year out of it.... or buy a new proc, and get 3-5...... hmmmmmm..

 

[erocker]

There is no new AMD processor. There isn't even an official release date yet. No, the Dominhaber article doesn't count.

 

[Ahhzz]

LIES!!!!!!! he LIES!!!!!!!!

 

[erek]

We have been informed that the ordered product has an updated estimated time of arrival (ETA) into our warehouse of November 24.


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[erocker]

We have been informed that the ordered product has an updated estimated time of arrival (ETA) into our warehouse of November 24.


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Link or just troll. Even if troll, need link to be successful.