AMD FX 8150 Looks Core i7-980X and Core i7 2600K in the Eye: AMD Benchmarks

[cadaveca]

I have no issues with XMP and/or it overclocking any other components. As far as Intel and AMD knowing if you OC'd your chips or not? They don't as far as I know, though they possibly could with the i5/i7 series using the debug pads on the chip. I just really haven't heard of anyone being denied due to overclocking. I've seen people completely destroy chips from Intel and have no problems with RMA. This argument is dumb. If your CPU breaks, RMA it, show no technological know-how. Easy.

Intel will ask questions like what ram you are using and such when applying for an RMA, as is standard for any company.

When you tell them the model of memory, this will more than likely indicate whether you've vioded your warranty or not, depending on how the questions are asked and answered.

I have heard of 4 different instances lately of denied CPU RMAs due to chip dying, and using XMP-enabled ram. Seems the qualifier for CPU death not covered by warranty is running over 1.5v and 1333 MHz on the memory. It enough that local stores are not carrying any memory over spec's for all platforms(1866), and are requesting waiver signing for no warranty from retailer when they do sell it as a "special order" item.

Read between the lines, and the argument isn't dumb at all, and you might understand why this is being brought up.

Anyway, why are we discussing this in an AMD thread?

Oh, that's right, becuase it seems AMD is expecting enthusiasts to overclock to get the performance they need, but at the same time invalidate their warranty rights, as XMP does.


Bleh. It's monday for me.

In the end, I am not going to recommend someone to VOID their warranty, and try to claim on said warranty knowing they've invalidated it.

 

[erocker]

Intel will ask questions like what ram you are using and such when applying for an RMA, as is standard for any company.

When you tell them the model of memory, this will more than likely indicate whether you've vioded your warranty or not, depending on how the questions are asked and answered.

I have heard of 4 different instances lately of denied CPU RMAs due to chip dying, and using XMP-enabled ram. Seems the qualifier for CPU death not covered by warranty is running over 1.5v and 1333 MHz on the memory. It enough that local stores are not carrying any memory over spec's for all platforms(1866), and are requesting waiver signing for no warranty from retailer when they do sell it.

Read between the lines, and the argument isn't dumb at all, and you might understand why this is being brought up.

In the end, I am not going to recommend someone to VOID their warranty, and try to claim on said warranty knowing they've invalidated it.

They never asked me. Granted I returned a E8400 and a E7200. Both times it was, send it in, get a new one.

 

[EarthDog]

If you run anything over stock(1333MHz), you have voided your warranty.


XMP profiles up clocks to 3.7 or 3.8 GHz on 5 boards I have here, including ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, and Zotac, ensuring that you warranty is void no matter what you do. On 3 of those 5 boards, it's quite difficult and involved to get normal, warrantied operation of chips. A couple of the boards jsut up the clocks, XMP or not!

Gigabyte Sniper2 will not allow Turbo and XMP to run at the same time, in fact, which is one of the many reasons I say they need a BIOS update. Teh sniper is the worst offender, with anything over 1333MHz on mem(1600, 1866, 2133 all inclusive), it defaults to 3.8GHz on all cores.

I think you have a jenky bios! Weird how the tables turned there! Not sure which one our sample shipped with, however I am running XMP on DDR3 2133Mhz sticks and sitting at stock speeds last I checked...?

I will confirm later tonight...

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+1 on anyone knowing you overclocked anything. Ive been in this game deeper and longer than most and havent had an issue with returning anything and 90% of my crap was overclocked (but didnt die from overclocking so as to prevent people from running their yap that I return shyte I broke).

 

[cadaveca]

They never asked me. Granted I returned a E8400 and a E7200. Both times it was, send it in, get a new one.

I dunno, seems they are being more strict now, not sure why. Best to educate people on what's what, so they are prepared, IMHO.

I think you have a jenky bios! Weird how the tables turned there! Not sure which one our sample shipped with, however I am running XMP on DDR3 2133Mhz sticks and sitting at stock speeds last I checked...?

I will confirm later tonight...

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+1 on anyone knowing you overclocked anything. Ive been in this game deeper and longer than most and havent had an issue with returning anything and 90% of my crap was overclocked (but didnt die from overclocking so as to prevent people from running their yap that I return shyte I broke).

TBH, I am not sure why this is occuring, but lately every Intel board I reviewed was provided with a BIOS that either ran single-thread multi @ multi-thread loads, and I have mentioned it in the reviews too, as it's a pain in my ass that makes comparisons biased because OEM sent me a weird BIOS. It's at the point now where I have had to re-jiggle how I do things review-wise. In fact, the Zotac board had NO PROPER TURBO at all, and I deducted points because of it.


Oh, and on that, EarthDog, 3-pin jumperblock by the VRM controller? I did mention this header in my review...did you inquire as to what it was for? How aobut the 2-pin jumpers on the ASUS board? Or the "COUPON" headers on Gigabyte?

 

[EarthDog]

I saw that in your review and did not inquire either. I am curious though...

love the live edit update here... didnt inquire about any of those things...

 

[cadaveca]

I saw that in your review and did not inquire either. I am curious though...

I suggest asking. You're into the extreme cooling/clocking thing, I am not.


I wonder what the AMD board will have?

 

[EarthDog]

I will and report back.. though not sure if its useful considering I hit 54x on all review boards and had no clue what those features are or what it helps!

AMD thread wut?

 

[Super XP]

Both Guru3D and XBit are currently conducting offical reviews of Bulldozer. Reviews should be out sometime this week. From what I've been told, we should take all those early released benchmarks and shove them up our aris, they do not reflect offical benchmarks.

A friend of a friends girlfriend knows the reviewer from Guru3D, if you are asking where I got this info from. And that Guru3D reviewer knows the guy from XBit labs and so I was told.

Now where's my bloody BEER!!!

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

sometime this week:shadedshu i was hopein to have the what will BD actually do issue resolved by bedtime 2 am

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

Both Guru3D and XBit are currently conducting offical reviews of Bulldozer. Reviews should be out sometime this week. From what I've been told, we should take all those early released benchmarks and shove them up our aris, they do not reflect offical benchmarks.

A friend of a friends girlfriend knows the reviewer from Guru3D, if you are asking where I got this info from. And that Guru3D reviewer knows the guy from XBit labs and so I was told.

Now where's bloody my BEER!!!

or you could STFU STFD and wait for Thelaughingman to do his review

hes doing the Bulldozer FX review for futurelooks and is a member here so... screw the friend of a friends girlfriend knows a reviewer

i know multiple reviewers and i know one with bulldozer and one that will soon have bulldozer

 

[cadaveca]

I'd laugh if everything up to this point, including pricing and Monstru's "preview" were all fake and wrong, and AMD comes out with something that blows everyone's socks off.

I'm not confident that will happen, but it'd be nice, for sure. It's gonna be just as fun if it's all true though.

 

[eidairaman1]

pricing for the cpus might be low cuz they are staging for the Next series. Being tight lipped about their stuff could mean they are great n just dont want to release it n suprise the competition.

 

[Crap Daddy]

I'd laugh if everything up to this point, including pricing and Monstru's "preview" were all fake and wrong, and AMD comes out with something that blows everyone's socks off.

I'm not confident that will happen, but it'd be nice, for sure. It's gonna be just as fun if it's all true though.

You might add to Monstru's preview other donanimhabers and russian/ukrainians and chinese and the infamous AMD hater czech OBR whatever but I personally don't remember any official reviews totally reversing the results of leaked benches. The only strong point of Bulldozer as it looks right now is the overclockability and that's the only marketing stunt AMD has pulled in promoting the FX. At what expense you'll be able to get the 8150 to 5GHz in order to match a 4.something GHz 2600K remains to be seen.

 

[heky]

ntel will ask questions like what ram you are using and such when applying for an RMA, as is standard for any company.

When you tell them the model of memory, this will more than likely indicate whether you've vioded your warranty or not, depending on how the questions are asked and answered.

I have heard of 4 different instances lately of denied CPU RMAs due to chip dying, and using XMP-enabled ram. Seems the qualifier for CPU death not covered by warranty is running over 1.5v and 1333 MHz on the memory. It enough that local stores are not carrying any memory over spec's for all platforms(1866), and are requesting waiver signing for no warranty from retailer when they do sell it as a "special order" item.

Read between the lines, and the argument isn't dumb at all, and you might understand why this is being brought up.

So what you are saying is, if a chip dies from overclocking and Intel asks: "what did you do with it?" people will say:"Well i ran 1.7v through the chip and used 2200mhz XMP 1.7v ram".

Come on, be serious. Look at this thread:
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2422201#post2422201

And he will get an RMA, even though he pushed more than 1.6v through the chip.

 

[Melvis]

Doesn't SB CPU's have DRM?

 

[xenocide]

You might add to Monstru's preview other donanimhabers and russian/ukrainians and chinese and the infamous AMD hater czech OBR whatever but I personally don't remember any official reviews totally reversing the results of leaked benches. The only strong point of Bulldozer as it looks right now is the overclockability and that's the only marketing stunt AMD has pulled in promoting the FX. At what expense you'll be able to get the 8150 to 5GHz in order to match a 4.something GHz 2600K remains to be seen.

Get out of here with your logic, this is no place for that.

 

[Mussels]

it is now the 12th. rock on BD.

 

[cadaveca]

So what you are saying is, if a chip dies from overclocking and Intel asks: "what did you do with it?" people will say:"Well i ran 1.7v through the chip and used 2200mhz XMP 1.7v ram".

Come on, be serious. Look at this thread:
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2422201#post2422201

And he will get an RMA, even though he pushed more than 1.6v through the chip.

Basically, yes. But just even the mention of XMP ram could have your product scrutinized more than at other times and RMA denied, which is something they seem to be pushing more often as of late, for whatever reason.

Just because you ship something back doesn't mean they will replace it...

And technically, although unintentional, ndm shouldn't get an RMA, and users doing such as he is are part of the reason things cost what they do.

There are more threads on various forums with users being denied RMAs as of late.

Rather than making this the big issue you are, it's not that important, and just a bit of info. Intel are being more cautious with RMAs...could be a new policy, could even just be one single employee....not something to argue over while OT from the thread.

 

[Melvis]

it is now the 12th. rock on BD.

Now we just have to wait for the rest of the world to catch up

 

[YautjaLord]

1:51am @ Israel, October 12. Caught up? Few more hours left; i actually see myself obsessed with it on a hourly basis now.

 

[Super XP]

 

[MetalRacer]

http://www.ozeros.com/2011/10/review-amd-bulldozer-fx-8150/

 

[eidairaman1]

http://www.ozeros.com/2011/10/review-amd-bulldozer-fx-8150/

English Please

 

[MetalRacer]

English Please

Try google translate.

 

[ensabrenoir]

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