Why BD failed? AMD Ex-Employee speaks out!

[Steevo]

Or because they make better performing CPU's that are used in a lot more machines.

If i buy an Intel chip, it's because of performance, not what the company does against the competition.

Actually they were paying companies under the table not to use AMD, and that is illegal as hell when you are basically forcing a monopoly. Intel had nothing else to do battle with for a couple periods in their history when AMD outperformed them, so they used their financial might to make sure they would stay top dog, even when that wasn't best for the consumer.

 

[erixx]

David versus Goliat. Great story. Sounds always new, but isn't.
Convert hardware into religious items, Great news. Apple fanboism was not enough.
Adhere to a company based on emotions. Regardless of post after post in forums about doesn't work, go back to older driver, go forward to hotfix this or that. Great... failure ... at this time.

It are just fuckin' components. Quality rises and falls. Free yourself.

 

[pantherx12]

Anyone read this review on newegg?

"Other Thoughts: Our company makes cellular image analysis instrumentation and software that takes advantage of the multi-threading capabilities of multi-core CPUs. Since our analysis software runs hundreds of parallel image analysis algorithms that are heavily multi-threaded the CPU is generally maxed out. We’ve been looking for a low cost alternative solution for our customers to replace their current expensive dual-slot Xeon CPU workstations. In early testing with our software my current configuration of a single non-overclocked FX-8150 (ASRock 990FX Extreme 4 motherboard) running Windows 7 64-bit is outperforming our dual-quad core Xeon E5600 workstations by as much as 27%. What makes this even more impressive is that our software code is optimized to use the Intel performance primitives. The results are encouraging considering the BIOS, C++ compilers and Windows scheduler haven’t yet been optimized for the Bulldozer architecture. Once the software catches up this chip should be even more amazing"


Shows potential at-least : ]

 

[Benetanegia]

Anyone read this review on newegg?

"Other Thoughts: Our company makes cellular image analysis instrumentation and software that takes advantage of the multi-threading capabilities of multi-core CPUs. Since our analysis software runs hundreds of parallel image analysis algorithms that are heavily multi-threaded the CPU is generally maxed out. We’ve been looking for a low cost alternative solution for our customers to replace their current expensive dual-slot Xeon CPU workstations. In early testing with our software my current configuration of a single non-overclocked FX-8150 (ASRock 990FX Extreme 4 motherboard) running Windows 7 64-bit is outperforming our dual-quad core Xeon E5600 workstations by as much as 27%. What makes this even more impressive is that our software code is optimized to use the Intel performance primitives. The results are encouraging considering the BIOS, C++ compilers and Windows scheduler haven’t yet been optimized for the Bulldozer architecture. Once the software catches up this chip should be even more amazing"


Shows potential at-least : ]

I probably shouldn't say this, but that review seems fake and seems to have the AMD(fanboi) stamp all over it. There's not a single pro-bulldozer argument left out from the review. Intel optimized software, BIOS, Windows, compilers... I say meh. I'll believe something when a respectable site post a review showing clear advantages.

EDIT: Also beating two 6 core "Nehalems" by 27% Suuuuure.

 

[CDdude55]

Actually they were paying companies under the table not to use AMD, and that is illegal as hell when you are basically forcing a monopoly. Intel had nothing else to do battle with for a couple periods in their history when AMD outperformed them, so they used their financial might to make sure they would stay top dog, even when that wasn't best for the consumer.

This is true.

 

[pantherx12]

I probably shouldn't say this, but that review seems fake and seems to have the AMD(fanboi) stamp all over it. There's not a single pro-bulldozer argument left out from the review. Intel optimized software, BIOS, Windows, compilers... I say meh. I'll believe something when a respectable site post a review showing clear advantages.

Do we even know of any review sites that do server reviews?

 

[Benetanegia]

Do we even know of any review sites that do server reviews?

Anand does some from time to time. Anyway, beating 2 six core Gulftowns by 27% is simply beyond unrealistic, considering the hardware capabilities (as in the performance of 8 full cores is the max you can expect). At the very least the one thing I can say about his software is: optimized for Intel, my ass.

 

[ivicagmc]

I don't know if this is already known, but here it is. BD is going blue screen of death, even without overclock. Bad gone to worse...
http://scalibq.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/amd-bulldozer-can-it-get-even-worse/

 

[Damn_Smooth]

I don't know if this is already known, but here it is. BD is going blue screen of death, even without overclock. Bad gone to worse...
http://scalibq.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/amd-bulldozer-can-it-get-even-worse/

Well, if you're going to fuck something up, you might as well do it right. Way to go AMD, EPIC FUCKUP!!!

 

[pantherx12]

Anand does some from time to time. Anyway, beating 2 six core Gulftowns by 27% is simply beyond unrealistic, considering the hardware capabilities (as in the performance of 8 full cores is the max you can expect). At the very least the one thing I can say about his software is: optimized for Intel, my ass.

Could of been e5606 which are 4 core 4 thread.

 

[v12dock]

http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-fx-8150--8120-6100-and-4100-performance-review/1

Updated guru3d review, performance improvements already?

 

[Dent1]

Yes, let's build an awesome innovative car of the future and sell it. It's slow and can't really drive on many roads but let's sell it anyways. People will buy it right up, they love our cars.

Well, the hydro and electric cars were at one point called "innovative" and "futuristic". Those hydro and electric cars were initially slow and were far from practical for the road.

One negative rule for AMD, another positive rule for someone else.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-fx-8150--8120-6100-and-4100-performance-review/1

Updated guru3d review, performance improvements already?

I'm confused, appears the AMD FX 8150 is almost just as fast as the 2500K and 2600K. Has this review been amended recently? where is the conclusion page?

 

[cheesy999]

Those hydro and electric cars were initially slow

most still are, a lot of people buy them because they're a fan of the technology used

 

[HalfAHertz]

...

I'm confused, appears the AMD FX 8150 is almost just as fast as the 2500K and 2600K. Has this review been amended recently? where is the conclusion page?

Those aren't new just makeshift(they disabled some of the cores in an 8 core BD) 4 and 6 core BD reviews. Tho I usually don't like Guru's CPU reviews. They focus a bit too much on synthetic tests and not enough on real-life ones imo.

 

[Neuromancer]

Could of been e5606 which are 4 core 4 thread.

Yeah, the review even states two quad core 5600s.

 

[Benetanegia]

Could of been e5606 which are 4 core 4 thread.

Yeah, the review even states two quad core 5600s.

Yeah I missed that part. I just read E5600 and I knew that series of chips are Gulftown, so I assumed 6 core 12 thread CPU. So now I looked up in the wiki to see specific models and yeah, there's some really slow 4C/4T models in the series. The E5603 runs as low as 1.6 Ghz, so now the claim doesn't seem unfeasible, instead it looks potentially unimpressive.

 

[pantherx12]

Yeah I missed that part. I just read E5600 and I knew that series of chips are Gulftown, so I assumed 6 core 12 thread CPU. So now I looked up in the wiki to see specific models and yeah, there's some really slow 4C/4T models in the series. The E5603 runs as low as 1.6 Ghz, so now the claim doesn't seem unfeasible, instead it looks potentially unimpressive.

Fair point.

Perhaps I'm unwilling to believe sucha big company can balls up so bad

 

[Benetanegia]

Who the hell buys an expensive dual socket system to waste it using 2x 1.6 Ghz quads anyway.

 

[Neuromancer]

Well, the hydro and electric cars were at one point called "innovative" and "futuristic". Those hydro and electric cars were initially slow and were far from practical for the road.

One negative rule for AMD, another positive rule for someone else.



I'm confused, appears the AMD FX 8150 is almost just as fast as the 2500K and 2600K. Has this review been amended recently? where is the conclusion page?

The inital reviews of the 8 core BD showed it be above the 2500K and below the 2600K in most multithreaded tasks.

It was the poor low threaded and power consumption tests that have people complaining (although 90% of people complaining are just jumping on the bandwagon but thats true with everything look at MS Vista, it was a massive improvement over Xp but poor pirated versions performance (dud to driver diagnostic mode running) and nVidia not being able to make a reliable 8800 series driver had people trashing it from the start)

 

[v12dock]

Like I said with the initial launch, wait another month then retest. BIOS tweaks plus processor tweaks.

 

[3volvedcombat]

We need to see Piledriver in action. If AMD needs Socket FM2 to make things right, then I may skip AM3+, but it depends on the price of the whole AM3+ platform.
I will never go Intel, no way I will buy into market manipulation and bullying.

There is no MARKET MANIPULATION

IF THE COMPETITION RIGHT NOW HAS THE BEST PRODUCT BY FAR.

They have the better product, they have the DICK to show, I respect that. So I will not be snobby and support Intel.

what do you want next.

BOTH companies doing paper launches and both companies ending up failing 30-50% of there expected performance numbers from those paper launches?

just saying....

 

[Horrux]

Or because they make better performing CPU's that are used in a lot more machines.

If i buy an Intel chip, it's because of performance, not what the company does against the competition.

History of microprocessors must be your weak point. Intel bribed OEMs and distributors to the tune of billions so that they would exclude AMD, Cyrix and other (now defunct) makers of x86 CPUs, over a number of years. How does that compute in your previous post?

The performance is because they brake the others.
So this is not an "Intel is better so they are top" but an "Intel made the others worse so they remain top". Practice till at *least* 2009, meager two years ago.
Read it up e.g. here.
So the pure processor power can't be compared because the software running on them is tampered with to favorize one of the competitors.

Indeed, it is linked in my signature. And the compiler has mysteriously not been updated since Intel was court-ordered that its next version must be more equitable. Strange?

 

[HalfAHertz]

There is no MARKET MANIPULATION

IF THE COMPETITION RIGHT NOW HAS THE BEST PRODUCT BY FAR.

They have the better product, they have the DICK to show, I respect that. So I will not be snobby and support Intel.

what do you want next.

BOTH companies doing paper launches and both companies ending up failing 30-50% of there expected performance numbers from those paper launches?

just saying....

Paper launch means releasing a product without availability. Releasing something that performs nothing like what you marketed it as is blatant lying and false advertising. AMD should lynch their marketing team out all the way through the street...

 

[Horrux]

Paper launch means releasing a product without availability. Releasing something that performs nothing like what you marketed it as is blatant lying and false advertising. AMD should lynch their marketing team out all the way through the street...

VP marketing probably wanted to sell some stock before launching BD...

 

[Super XP]

http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-fx-8150--8120-6100-and-4100-performance-review/1

Updated guru3d review, performance improvements already?

I read that, the 8150 blows away the x6 1100T out of the water in that review, but its still dated at Oct 13, 2011. So what original review was done on Oct 12, 2011, so it took them one day for the updates?