• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

ASUS Radeon HD 7970 CrossFire

Joined
Jul 20, 2008
Messages
4,016 (0.67/day)
Location
Ohio
System Name Desktop|| Virtual Host 0
Processor Intel Core i5 2500-K @ 4.3ghz || 2x Xeon L5630 (total 8 cores, 16 threads)
Motherboard ASUS P8Z68-V || Dell PowerEdge R710 (Intel 5520 chipset)
Cooling Corsair Hydro H100 || Stock hotplug fans and passive heatsinks
Memory 4x4gb Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 || 12x4gb Hynix DDR3 1066 FB-DIMMs
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 760 Gaming Twin Frozr 4GB OC || Don't know, don't care
Storage Hitachi 7K3000 2TB || 6x300gb 15k rpm SAS internal hotswap, 12x3tb Seagate NAS drives in enclosure
Display(s) ViewSonic VA2349S || remote iDRAC KVM console
Case Antec P280 || Dell PowerEdge R710
Audio Device(s) HRT MusicStreamer II+ and Focusrite Scarlett 18i8 || Don't know, don't care
Power Supply SeaSonic X650 Gold || 2x870w hot-swappable
Mouse Logitech G500 || remote iDRAC KVM console
Keyboard Logitech G510 || remote iDRAC KVM console
Software Win7 Ultimate x64 || VMware vSphere 6.0 with vCenter Server 6.0
Benchmark Scores Over 9000 on the scouter
it probably doesn't, but trackr would complain about it anyway
Yeah, I remembered wrong. I went back and checked your graphs and there wasn't much difference. I think there was a very slight difference, maybe like 1fps or something, but I forget already. :laugh: Makes me wonder if the 7970 might actually be enough to make a more noticeable difference.
 
Joined
Jul 19, 2008
Messages
1,180 (0.20/day)
Location
Australia
Processor Intel i7 4790K
Motherboard Asus Z97 Deluxe
Cooling Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120
Memory Corsair Dominator 1866Mhz 4X4GB
Video Card(s) Asus R290X
Storage Samsung 850 Pro SSD 256GB/Samsung 840 Evo SSD 1TB
Display(s) Samsung S23A950D
Case Corsair 850D
Audio Device(s) Onboard Realtek
Power Supply Corsair AX850
Mouse Logitech G502
Keyboard Logitech G710+
Software Windows 10 x64
AMD has a 7970 driver on their website. Still no 12.1 WHQL though.....wtf are they doing??

The cards started at $699 in Australia and they still sold out, theres only a couple of models left so they bumped the price to $749, one store even had $800 on a 7970 and they still sold out.

They are basically charging anything they want and stock is disappearing fast.

Newegg has sold out too.
 
Last edited:

Trackr

New Member
Joined
Mar 18, 2011
Messages
265 (0.05/day)
System Name White Phoenix
Processor Intel Core-i7 2600k @ 5.0Ghz 1.45v 24/7
Motherboard Gigabyte 'P67'-UD7
Cooling Dual-Fan TRUE (Lapped)
Memory G.Skill 16GB (4x4GB) 2000Mhz CL9
Video Card(s) nVidia GTX 480 SLi
Storage Crucial RealSSD C300 256GB
Display(s) Dell 'PLP' - 2007FP | 3007WFP-HC | 2007FP
Case Antec p190 (Modded)
Audio Device(s) Creative X-Fi Titanium PCIe
Power Supply Silverstone 1000w (Single-Rail)
Software Windows 7 SP1 Ultimate 64-bit
it probably doesn't, but trackr would complain about it anyway

Why would I complain that more PCIe lanes don't make a difference?

That is my argument.

You're the one who said that it WOULD make a difference to have two cards in two PCIe 2.0 x16 slots as opposed to two PCIe 2.0 x8 slots.
 
Joined
Oct 10, 2009
Messages
868 (0.16/day)
Location
London, UK
System Name The one under the desk / Media Centre
Processor Xeon X3730@3.6GHZ / Phenom II X4 805E
Motherboard Gigabyte P55M-UD4 / Asus Crosshair III
Cooling Corsair H70 + 2*PWM fan / Arctic Alpine 11
Memory 16GB DRR3-1333 9-9-9-27 / 4GB Crucial DDR3-1333
Video Card(s) Asus DirectCU GTX 680 / Gigabyte 560TI
Storage Kingston V200 128GB, WD6400AAKS, 1TB Seagate 7.2kRPM SSHD / Kingston V200 128GB
Display(s) Samsung 2343BW + Dell Ultrasharp 1600*1200 / 32" TV
Case C'M' Silencio 550 / Some ancient SilverStone brushed aluminium media centre
Audio Device(s) No.
Power Supply Thermaltake Toughpower XT 675W / EVGA 430W
Mouse Mionix Naos 3200 / Generic PS2
Keyboard Roccat Ryos TKL Pro / Evoluent Mouse Friendly Keyboard (Logitech OEM)
Software Windows 7 Ult x64
Benchmark Scores Nah.
Why would I complain that more PCIe lanes don't make a difference?

That is my argument.

You're the one who said that it WOULD make a difference to have two cards in two PCIe 2.0 x16 slots as opposed to two PCIe 2.0 x8 slots.

Wizz was saying that you'd complain that they do make a difference, if he used a P67 or Z68 platform for the test.

As it happens he used an X58 platform, so you complain about it being too slow (even though its plenty fast enough that when you hit its CPU bottleneck, you're talking about silly FPS anyway).

His remaining alternatives are X79, which still has some issues with CF as I understand it, and Bulldozer/Phenom II. Yeah...
 

XacTactX

New Member
Joined
Dec 30, 2011
Messages
9 (0.00/day)
Location
La Crescenta CA 91214
Processor Core i5 750 (Stock)
Motherboard Gigabyte P55 UD2
Cooling Hyper 212+
Memory 4GB PC3-10600
Video Card(s) eVGA GTX 260 55nm
Storage Seagate 1.5TB 5900RPM
Case NZXT Lexa S
Audio Device(s) Zalman ZM-RSSC
Power Supply Rosewill Green 700
Software Vista Ultimate
7970 CrossFire uses less power at idle than an HD 5770 (13w vs. 15w). Someone tell me that's hilarious.
 

FreedomEclipse

~Technological Technocrat~
Joined
Apr 20, 2007
Messages
24,056 (3.74/day)
Location
London,UK
System Name DarnGosh Edition
Processor AMD 7800X3D
Motherboard MSI X670E GAMING PLUS
Cooling Thermalright AM5 Contact Frame + Phantom Spirit 120SE
Memory 2x32GB G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO DDR5 6000 CL32-38-38-96
Video Card(s) Asus Dual Radeon™ RX 6700 XT OC Edition
Storage WD SN770 1TB (Boot)| 2x 2TB WD SN770 (Gaming)| 2x 2TB Crucial BX500| 2x 3TB Toshiba DT01ACA300
Display(s) LG GP850-B
Case Corsair 760T (White) {1xCorsair ML120 Pro|5xML140 Pro}
Audio Device(s) Yamaha RX-V573|Speakers: JBL Control One|Auna 300-CN|Wharfedale Diamond SW150
Power Supply Seasonic Focus GX-850 80+ GOLD
Mouse Logitech G502 X
Keyboard Duckyshine Dead LED(s) III
Software Windows 11 Home
Benchmark Scores ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ
7970 CrossFire uses less power at idle than an HD 5770 (13w vs. 15w). Someone tell me that's hilarious.

not really... thats just the 7970's 'ZeroCore power state' at work. IT can completely shutdown a GPU if it isnt in use
 

Trackr

New Member
Joined
Mar 18, 2011
Messages
265 (0.05/day)
System Name White Phoenix
Processor Intel Core-i7 2600k @ 5.0Ghz 1.45v 24/7
Motherboard Gigabyte 'P67'-UD7
Cooling Dual-Fan TRUE (Lapped)
Memory G.Skill 16GB (4x4GB) 2000Mhz CL9
Video Card(s) nVidia GTX 480 SLi
Storage Crucial RealSSD C300 256GB
Display(s) Dell 'PLP' - 2007FP | 3007WFP-HC | 2007FP
Case Antec p190 (Modded)
Audio Device(s) Creative X-Fi Titanium PCIe
Power Supply Silverstone 1000w (Single-Rail)
Software Windows 7 SP1 Ultimate 64-bit
Wizz was saying that you'd complain that they do make a difference, if he used a P67 or Z68 platform for the test.

As it happens he used an X58 platform, so you complain about it being too slow (even though its plenty fast enough that when you hit its CPU bottleneck, you're talking about silly FPS anyway).

His remaining alternatives are X79, which still has some issues with CF as I understand it, and Bulldozer/Phenom II. Yeah...

So, he was suggesting that I would complain about PCIe 2.0 x8 bandwidth because I complained about i7-920 performance?

But those are complete opposites.. PCIe 2.0 x8 does not bottleneck performance. i7-920 DOES bottleneck performance.

It seems like he was just trying to insult me instead of listen to my comment..
 
Joined
Oct 10, 2009
Messages
868 (0.16/day)
Location
London, UK
System Name The one under the desk / Media Centre
Processor Xeon X3730@3.6GHZ / Phenom II X4 805E
Motherboard Gigabyte P55M-UD4 / Asus Crosshair III
Cooling Corsair H70 + 2*PWM fan / Arctic Alpine 11
Memory 16GB DRR3-1333 9-9-9-27 / 4GB Crucial DDR3-1333
Video Card(s) Asus DirectCU GTX 680 / Gigabyte 560TI
Storage Kingston V200 128GB, WD6400AAKS, 1TB Seagate 7.2kRPM SSHD / Kingston V200 128GB
Display(s) Samsung 2343BW + Dell Ultrasharp 1600*1200 / 32" TV
Case C'M' Silencio 550 / Some ancient SilverStone brushed aluminium media centre
Audio Device(s) No.
Power Supply Thermaltake Toughpower XT 675W / EVGA 430W
Mouse Mionix Naos 3200 / Generic PS2
Keyboard Roccat Ryos TKL Pro / Evoluent Mouse Friendly Keyboard (Logitech OEM)
Software Windows 7 Ult x64
Benchmark Scores Nah.
So, he was suggesting that I would complain about PCIe 2.0 x8 bandwidth because I complained about i7-920 performance?

But those are complete opposites.. PCIe 2.0 x8 does not bottleneck performance. i7-920 DOES bottleneck performance.

It seems like he was just trying to insult me instead of listen to my comment..

He was taking the piss out of you for complaining about things that aren't really problems.

He succeeded. And, to make it even better, you didn't get it.
 

treehouse

New Member
Joined
Apr 9, 2011
Messages
199 (0.04/day)
System Name hazel
Processor phenom II 555 BE unlocked to 4 cores at 3.6ghz
Motherboard asus m4a89gtdpro
Cooling antec kuhler
Memory 8gb corsair
Video Card(s) 2 x 6950 crossfire
Storage ocz ssd 60gb
Display(s) LG 24 inch 1080p
Case nzxt phantom
Audio Device(s) onboard
Power Supply BeQuiet 750w
So....according to the summary... adding another 7970 for crossfire only gives it a 24% boost over the single card??

that makes it real hard to justify getting 2 cards.

cpu limitation
 

XacTactX

New Member
Joined
Dec 30, 2011
Messages
9 (0.00/day)
Location
La Crescenta CA 91214
Processor Core i5 750 (Stock)
Motherboard Gigabyte P55 UD2
Cooling Hyper 212+
Memory 4GB PC3-10600
Video Card(s) eVGA GTX 260 55nm
Storage Seagate 1.5TB 5900RPM
Case NZXT Lexa S
Audio Device(s) Zalman ZM-RSSC
Power Supply Rosewill Green 700
Software Vista Ultimate
not really... thats just the 7970's 'ZeroCore power state' at work. IT can completely shutdown a GPU if it isnt in use

So what part of my statement needed correcting? ZeroCore or not it still uses less power... which is awesome! :rockout:
 
Joined
Sep 18, 2011
Messages
1,743 (0.36/day)
Location
Asheville, North Carolina
System Name Red Giant
Processor Intel Core i7-12700K
Motherboard MSI Pro Z690
Cooling Corsair H100i elite
Memory Corsair Vengeance Pro 32GB
Video Card(s) MSI 4070TI Super
Storage 960 GB Sandisk SSD
Display(s) 27 inch Predator 144 hz 2k
Case CoolerMaster HAF X
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Corsair AX1200
Mouse Logitech G502 Hero
Keyboard Corsair K95 Platinum
Software Windows 11 Pro
Nice review, shame we can't have decent Crossfire Drivers yet, hopefully the aftermarket versions will be released after proper drivers :rockout:
 

Trackr

New Member
Joined
Mar 18, 2011
Messages
265 (0.05/day)
System Name White Phoenix
Processor Intel Core-i7 2600k @ 5.0Ghz 1.45v 24/7
Motherboard Gigabyte 'P67'-UD7
Cooling Dual-Fan TRUE (Lapped)
Memory G.Skill 16GB (4x4GB) 2000Mhz CL9
Video Card(s) nVidia GTX 480 SLi
Storage Crucial RealSSD C300 256GB
Display(s) Dell 'PLP' - 2007FP | 3007WFP-HC | 2007FP
Case Antec p190 (Modded)
Audio Device(s) Creative X-Fi Titanium PCIe
Power Supply Silverstone 1000w (Single-Rail)
Software Windows 7 SP1 Ultimate 64-bit
He was taking the piss out of you for complaining about things that aren't really problems.

He succeeded. And, to make it even better, you didn't get it.

He only succeeded because he said something so vague that I thought it made it sense, when it actually made no sense at all.

And he did that INSTEAD of listening to my concern.

Believe what you want, but running a 4.0Ghz i7-920 IS a problem.

How can you think that a 10-20% CPU bottleneck in a high-end review is not a problem?

I'm astounded.
 
Joined
Jan 21, 2009
Messages
734 (0.13/day)
Location
Golden, Colorado
System Name KAREN / EVA / GHOST
Processor Intel Core i7-950 / AMD Phenom II X4 940 BE / Core i5 3570k
Motherboard ASUS TUF Sabertooth X58 / DFI LP DK 790FXB-M2RSH / Asrock z77e-itx
Cooling Thermaltake Frio / Corsair Cooling™ Hydro Series H50 / Corsair Hydro Series H60
Memory Corsair Dominator 6GB DDR3 1600 / Corsair Dominator Quad2X4096-8500C5DF / G.SKILL Ripjaws Serie 1600
Video Card(s) XFX HD6950 CF unlocked /XFX HD5770 CF/ MSI R4890 Cyclone
Storage OCZ Vertex 2 60 WD Raptor X WD1500AHFD / Seagate Barracuda /Western Digital 80gb, Toshiba 1TB
Display(s) 2 Acer P215H 21.5 Widescreen / Acer S211HL 21.5 / HP 2009F 20inch
Case SILVERSTONE RAVEN RV02-BW / NZXT Phantom /Bitfenix Prodigy
Audio Device(s) On board / Philips MMS 321 - PC multimedia speakers
Power Supply Ultra X3 ULT40311 1000W / Cosair CMPSU-750TX 750W/ CORSAIR Gaming Series GS700 700W
Software Windows 7 64 bit / Windows 7 64 bit / Windows 7 64 bit
Great review Wizz :respect: but the cards are too much for my broke ass right now :laugh:
 
Joined
Oct 10, 2009
Messages
868 (0.16/day)
Location
London, UK
System Name The one under the desk / Media Centre
Processor Xeon X3730@3.6GHZ / Phenom II X4 805E
Motherboard Gigabyte P55M-UD4 / Asus Crosshair III
Cooling Corsair H70 + 2*PWM fan / Arctic Alpine 11
Memory 16GB DRR3-1333 9-9-9-27 / 4GB Crucial DDR3-1333
Video Card(s) Asus DirectCU GTX 680 / Gigabyte 560TI
Storage Kingston V200 128GB, WD6400AAKS, 1TB Seagate 7.2kRPM SSHD / Kingston V200 128GB
Display(s) Samsung 2343BW + Dell Ultrasharp 1600*1200 / 32" TV
Case C'M' Silencio 550 / Some ancient SilverStone brushed aluminium media centre
Audio Device(s) No.
Power Supply Thermaltake Toughpower XT 675W / EVGA 430W
Mouse Mionix Naos 3200 / Generic PS2
Keyboard Roccat Ryos TKL Pro / Evoluent Mouse Friendly Keyboard (Logitech OEM)
Software Windows 7 Ult x64
Benchmark Scores Nah.
How can you think that a 10-20% CPU bottleneck in a high-end review is not a problem?

This sentence shows how little you understand. It really pisses me off when people spend the kind of money that you have without doing any research into these things.

CPU bottlenecks are at a fixed number of FPS for any given set of graphical settings, drivers, OS etc. They are not a percentage penalty. If you get a Sempron and couple it with two 7970s, and then with four, you're going to get identical FPS in every game. According to your implied theory, you should get a discounted version of the FPS you'd get on a high-end platform.

Wizz's graphs only show averages. So you're getting the average of the times when the GPU was able to open up, and the times when the CPU was limiting every graphics solution to roughly the same FPS. This can look like this:




But as you increase the resolution, the FPS spends less and less time being capped by the CPU and more and more time being capped by the GPU, so you get results like this:




As an overclocked i7-920 never imposes a bottleneck at anything even near unplayable FPS in any games in the suite, I really don't see the issue. The graphs show that at 1024*768 or in undemanding games, there's a tiny difference between one 7970 and two. Yes, they'd show a bigger difference with a more powerful CPU, but who cares? The graphs also show that the i7 920 is almost never a bottleneck at 2560*1600 - note near perfect scaling in crossfire in many games. And that's what anyone reading this review is likely to actually care about.
 

fullinfusion

Vanguard Beta Tester
Joined
Jan 11, 2008
Messages
9,909 (1.61/day)
Nice review Wiz :toast:
but $1100 for 2 of these cards? Not in this life time. I think I'll hold off on this round and grab a 6950 to add to my system and have better performance then two of these suckers and still be cheaper :eek:
 
Joined
Feb 3, 2012
Messages
73 (0.02/day)
Location
Colorado
System Name Middleman
Processor i5-3570k @ 4.8Ghz
Motherboard ASUS P8Z77-V LX
Cooling Noctua NH-D14
Memory Samsung 8GB 1600MHz
Video Card(s) Sapphire 7870
Storage WD Caviar Black 1TB / OCZ Vertex 4 128GB
Case Cooler Master Haf XM
Audio Device(s) Integrated
Power Supply Corsair 800W
Software Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit
So I'm in the process of acquiring a new rig for gaming and high poly count 3-d rendering using mainly Maya/Zbrush. Im pretty set on the CF7970's, and Im planning on the i7-2600k with OC set to 1.4vcore. At that speeds do I still need to worry at all about the CPU bottlenecking my system at all?
 
Top