AMD Slips Out Trinity ULV 3DMark Performance

[Melvis]

Very nice, i cant wait to see these out in action, i think the APU's are just great, good enough CPU performance and a GPU that is unmatched (in there price point). Nice cheap low powered all round laptop/netbook with one of these APU's in it. Casual gaming, work, HD video play back and much more all at the same time if ya like, very good.

Shame they used that as a benchmark, games is where its at not 3Dmark.

 

[ValenOne]

Yes it does. Nothing accelerates Hi10p as of yet. And DVXA is not always capable of accelerating things above level 4.1 with more than 4 ref frames (for 1080p) in 8bit H.264 encodes, iirc. Last I checked, .ass subtitles broke acceleration too. They may have worked that out by now though. I strongly suggest you read up on it before making any purchases in this segment based on gpu acceleration abilities, especially if you like anime. Anime groups tend to stay on the cutting edge of encoding techniques in an effort to maximize picture quality with the smallest file size possible. Meaning more decode power is generally needed.

And post-processing = not accurate. I don't use it. Which actually works to the advantage of less compute power needed anyway, so only make the job even easier, whether gpu or cpu.

AMD A6 mobile APUs can handle these latest anime mkvs.

 

[ValenOne]

Wrong. These encodes are not ABLE to be accelerated by the gpu at all. Even if I did turn on gpu acceleration, they still would not be accelerated, in any software combo. Not even CUDA on an nVidia card.

The GpGPU can assist video decode/effects render/encode i.e. I have Cyberlink PowerDirector 10 software.

 

[Yo_Wattup]

Despite what you want to call it, AMD "APU" and Intel's i3 are the same thing. CPU cores with a GPU. APU is just a buzz word that stands for what Intel has been doing since the first Core i series. So these power consumption numbers for the APU are for the CPU cores and the GPU core, just like the i3 power consumption numbers are for the CPU cores and the GPU.

So the point is that you don't need a discrete GPU with Intel, and the slightly better performance of the Trinity integrated GPU isn't worth much over the Intel integrated GPU. They are both shit.

Slightly better performance? I'm.. I'm just not even going to bother with you.. believe what you will. Ignorance is bliss right?

 

[phanbuey]

the performance is enough to run games at mid settings at 720p without issue. They double the gaming speed of intel ultrabooks. it is a well balanced machine, and much more competitive with intel than the Bulldozer to i7 on the high end.

 

[de.das.dude]

The GpGPU can assist video decode/effects render/encode i.e. I have Cyberlink PowerDirector 10 software.

http://www.cyberlink.com/prog/product/html/14015/10_GM3/img/truevelocity-parallel.jpg

dont bother wasting your energy with an intel fabuoy.

 

[newtekie1]

Slightly better performance? I'm.. I'm just not even going to bother with you.. believe what you will. Ignorance is bliss right?

Yes, slightly better performance. 1000 more 3DMark Vantage points isn't anything to talk about. 10MPH is twice as fast as 5MPH, but still slow as shit. And 10MPH is only slightly faster than 5MPH when you look at the whole speedometer. Get it?

 

[eidairaman1]

Smdh

 

[ValenOne]

Yes, slightly better performance. 1000 more 3DMark Vantage points isn't anything to talk about. 10MPH is twice as fast as 5MPH, but still slow as shit. And 10MPH is only slightly faster than 5MPH when you look at the whole speedometer. Get it?

Vantage's 2300 scores is like my old Sony Vaio VGN-FW45's Radeon HD 4650M (15 to 19 watts) + 512MB GDDR3 VRAM scores.

My old Sony Vaio VGN-FW45's plays Mass Effect 2 at 720p and max settings.

PS; Sony Vaio VGN-FW45's Intel Core 2 Duo P8700 has 25 watts TDP.

 

[newtekie1]

Vantage's 2300 scores is like my old Sony Vaio VGN-FW45's Radeon HD 4650M (15 to 19 watts) + 512MB GDDR3 VRAM scores.

My old Sony Vaio VGN-FW45's plays Mass Effect 2 at 720p and max settings.

PS; Sony Vaio VGN-FW45's Intel Core 2 Duo P8700 has 25 watts TDP.

So your benchmark for being a capable gaming GPU/APU is if it can play a game using a 5 year old engine. Ok...

My TI-83 could play Mass Effect 2 at 720p and max settings...(and so can the Sandy Bridge iGPU FYI).

Try something a little more demanding, and a little more modern.

 

[ValenOne]

So your benchmark for being a capable gaming GPU/APU is if it can play a game using a 5 year old engine. Ok...

My TI-83 could play Mass Effect 2 at 720p and max settings...(and so can the Sandy Bridge iGPU FYI).

Try something a little more demanding, and a little more modern.

I'm sure you can use youtube for Radeon HD 4650M GDDR3 gameplay examples. Most Xbox 360 ports plays well on Radeon HD 4650M.


Which Sandy Bridge IGP version i.e. ULV(17 watts, 350MHz**), LV, (500MHz**), desktop(850Mhz**)?
**base clock.


Click on my profile's "System Specs" link for my Silverstone SG07 Mini-ITX's LAN box specs i.e. it has Intel Core i5-2500K with active HD 3000 IGP (allocated 512MB shared memory from UEFI).

To enable HD 3000 IGP, I have used ASUS P8H67-I Rev 3.0 motherboard. My tower PC has ASUS P8P67 Rev 3.0 motherboard i.e. I plan to swap the non-K Intel Core i7-2600 and Core i5-2500K later.

 

[newtekie1]

I'm sure you can use youtube for Radeon HD 4650M GDDR3 gameplay examples. Most Xbox 360 ports plays well on Radeon HD 4650M.

If I wanted use that as a benchmark for performance, I'd just buy an Xbox...

Seriously, 5+ year old games engines are not what I call a stress on a GPU or really what I rush out to play on my brand new computer. Which is why I don't buy anything with an iGPU/APU for gaming.

 

[Frick]

Seriously, 5+ year old games engines are not what I call a stress on a GPU or really what I rush out to play on my brand new computer. Which is why I don't buy anything with an iGPU/APU for gaming.

Nor will anyone else (for serious gaming anyway), the point is the APU stuff is faster than the Intel stuff.

 

[newtekie1]

Nor will anyone else (for serious gaming anyway), the point is the APU stuff is faster than the Intel stuff.

Yes, but the point is it isn't fast enough to matter.

 

[Frick]

Yes, but the point is it isn't fast enough to matter.

Yeah right. Now this is a different model, but the A6 have simliar Vantage performance. And you don't do serious gaming on a small notebook anyway, but with these puppies you can do some light gaming even with modern titles.

 

[ValenOne]

If I wanted use that as a benchmark for performance, I'd just buy an Xbox...

Seriously, 5+ year old games engines are not what I call a stress on a GPU or really what I rush out to play on my brand new computer. Which is why I don't buy anything with an iGPU/APU for gaming.

Xbox 360 is not a mobile device.

 

[Wile E]

The GpGPU can assist video decode/effects render/encode i.e. I have Cyberlink PowerDirector 10 software.

http://www.cyberlink.com/prog/product/html/14015/10_GM3/img/truevelocity-parallel.jpg

It does not accelerate 1080p content when it's encoded with more than 4 ref frames the last I checked, but that one may have been remedied by now.

Nothing hardware decodes Hi10p yet. I do know that for sure. Even if the software could do it, supposedly the current crop of hardware isn't capable anyway. Not sure about all that, but all that matters is that it just doesn't work.

http://www.clubbleach.org/forums/showthread.php?96051-How-to-Play-10-bit-h264-(Hi10P)-video-files

So again, for someone like me, the graphics performance is irrelevent.

dont bother wasting your energy with an intel fabuoy.

How many time do you need to be told that I am a fan of no brands whatsoever? I am only a fan of the products that give me the most of what I want for my money. I want cpu power. I don't care who gives it to me.

Keep your fanboy claims to yourself.

 

[ValenOne]

It does not accelerate 1080p content when it's encoded with more than 4 ref frames the last I checked, but that one may have been remedied by now.

Nothing hardware decodes Hi10p yet. I do know that for sure. Even if the software could do it, supposedly the current crop of hardware isn't capable anyway. Not sure about all that, but all that matters is that it just doesn't work.

http://www.clubbleach.org/forums/showthread.php?96051-How-to-Play-10-bit-h264-(Hi10P)-video-files

So again, for someone like me, the graphics performance is irrelevent.

Hi10P breaks hardware H.264 acceleration with handheld devices.

Atm, Intel Sandybridge and Ivybridge doesn't support FMA3. AMD Piledriver supports FMA3 and FMA4 instructions.

As for encoding videos on pure CPU, http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8150-zambezi-bulldozer-990fx,3043-17.html

This is using the *flawed* AMD Bulldozer. Atm, the old AMD Bulldozer has issues with the single threaded applications, while in multi-threaded applications it seems to be competitive.

 

[Wile E]

Hi10P breaks hardware H.264 acceleration with handheld devices.

Atm, Intel Sandybridge and Ivybridge doesn't support FMA3. AMD Piledriver supports FMA3 and FMA4 instructions.

As for encoding videos on pure CPU, http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8150-zambezi-bulldozer-990fx,3043-17.html

http://media.bestofmicro.com/M/C/310548/original/mainconcept.png

http://media.bestofmicro.com/M/6/310542/original/handbrake.png
This is using the *flawed* AMD Bulldozer. Atm, the old AMD Bulldozer has issues with the single threaded applications, while in multi-threaded applications it seems to be competitive.

Hi10p breaks hardware acceleration on ALL platforms.

And I'm not exactly sure what point you are trying to make by showing that the Intel is faster in encoding thread for thread at a lower clock speed.

 

[ValenOne]

Hi10p breaks hardware acceleration on ALL platforms.

Hi10P is a "so what" issue i.e. it has less player user base than mainstream H.264 players.

And I'm not exactly sure what point you are trying to make by showing that the Intel is faster in encoding thread for thread at a lower clock speed.

It's more or less even i.e. the gap is not large.

 

[Wile E]

That's roughly a 10% difference. that's significant when you are encoding entire movies instead of just clips.

And hi10p is a definite issue for me, thus the entire reason I have brought it up in the first place. It's an issue for anyone that follows anime subbing groups.

 

[newtekie1]

http://www.nordichardware.se/images...hipset/amd.a6.3650/fullimages/crysis.1366.png

http://www.nordichardware.se/images...-Chipset/amd.a6.3650/fullimages/civ5.1366.png

http://www.nordichardware.se/images...-Chipset/amd.a6.3650/fullimages/stalk1366.png

Yeah right. Now this is a different model, but the A6 have simliar Vantage performance. And you don't do serious gaming on a small notebook anyway, but with these puppies you can do some light gaming even with modern titles.

Awesome, so the desktop GPU, which is more powerful than the Trinity GPU we are talking about here, barely manages playable framerates in one game and not even close to playable framerates in two others. I don't really see what point you were trying to make with that...

 

[ValenOne]

That's roughly a 10% difference. that's significant when you are encoding entire movies instead of just clips.

The benchmarks refers to the older Bulldozer not Piledriver.

From http://m.hardocp.com/article/2011/10/11/amd_bulldozer_fx8150_desktop_performance_review/7

DVD movie to the iPhone4

The stock 8120 slots between i7-2600K and i5-2500K.

And hi10p is a definite issue for me, thus the entire reason I have brought it up in the first place. It's an issue for anyone that follows anime subbing groups.

I don't see the sound logic to reduce the video player userbase.

 

[ValenOne]

Awesome, so the desktop GPU, which is more powerful than the Trinity GPU we are talking about here, barely manages playable framerates in one game and not even close to playable framerates in two others. I don't really see what point you were trying to make with that...

"but the A6 have simliar Vantage performance"

 

[Wile E]

From http://m.hardocp.com/article/2011/10/11/amd_bulldozer_fx8150_desktop_performance_review/7


DVD movie above to the iPhone4
http://m.hardocp.com/image_resize.p...s/1318034683VZqVQLiVuL_7_3.png&image_size=400

Only a 30 minute clip and different software than the last one you showed, and Intel still in the lead.

I use handbrake, mediacoder and RipBot depending on what I'm trying to accomplish. All of them use official x.264 builds in their code, so that's all I'm interested in when it comes to encoding performance. Most commercial encoders are unoptimized piles of crap.

You are failing to make a point here. This entire time I've been talking about my needs in this class of notebook, and the needs of users like me. GPU performance serves us no purpose, and you just made me aware that the AMD chips are slower thread for thread in multithreaded apps than a hyperthreading Intel with half the number of real cores. I didn't know that. I thought that maybe the 4 core AMDs could take on a 2c/4t Intel. My mistake.

So, barring an extreme price or battery advantage with the AMD laptop, why would I even consider something other than the Intel setup?

I don't see the sound logic to reduce the video player userbase.

Hi10p provides up to 25% better compression with no quality loss. More space for more shows. I don't see the sound logic in using an inferior compression algorithm just to gain gpu acceleration when the cpu is already powerful enough to handle it.