DON'T use AMD dual core optimizer on INTEL!

niko084 · Feb 13, 2007

Well I figured what the heh I'll give it a shot... Ya worked real well...

All the way to the point I restarted...
Needless to say welcome screen, windows starts loading, bang restart...
Ya it does that endlessly...

DON'T INSTALL IF YOU HAVE AN INTEL CHIP!

Thankfully for registry editing from a command prompt I was able to take it back out, get into windows and uninstall it.

Jimmy 2004 · Feb 13, 2007

Some people would have found that pretty obvious already...

AMD is hardly going to release something that boosts the performance of it's biggest rival after all.

niko084 · Feb 13, 2007

Jimmy 2004 said:
Some people would have found that pretty obvious already...

AMD is hardly going to release something that boosts the performance of it's biggest rival after all.

I figured it would give me an error or something saying you have an intel chip or no amd hardware found. You know a little bit of error trapping, but no their programmers are LAZY!

Anyways it's not that big of a deal, but people were asking, and I know if I screw something up, it really doesn't matter, and under the case it was more of a windows patch then amd specific and it worked, that would have been pretty cool.

I guess I'll just have to wait for Server 2008 to be released.

rick22 · Feb 13, 2007

Well the last time i looked my AMD cpu didn't say INTEL next to it..

Ketxxx · Feb 13, 2007

.......

Namslas90 · Feb 13, 2007

niko084 said:
Well I figured what the heh I'll give it a shot... Ya worked real well...

All the way to the point I restarted...
Needless to say welcome screen, windows starts loading, bang restart...
Ya it does that endlessly...

DON'T INSTALL IF YOU HAVE AN INTEL CHIP!

Thankfully for registry editing from a command prompt I was able to take it back out, get into windows and uninstall it.

What were you thinking? Wow, brave soul, at least now you know!!

niko084 · Feb 13, 2007

rick22 said:
Well the last time i looked my AMD cpu didn't say INTEL next to it..

You are correct but as I stated above.

niko084 · Feb 13, 2007

Namslas90 said:
What were you thinking? Wow, brave soul, at least now you know!!

Heh people were asking, wouldn't hurt me any if something like happened went wrong anyways. So it was all for the good of others

Alec§taar · Feb 13, 2007

MIXED BAG guys... common-sense/vs. errtrapping on coder's part

Fellas, this one's a "mixed bag", imo @ least (I read the thread where Niko installed it on an INTEL chipset & cpu setup is why I state this):

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=261371#post261371

BOTH parties are "right & wrong" here...

1.) If it's an AMD product, for AMD hardwares? Heck - do NOT install it on INTEL stuff!

&

2.) Yes, AMD should have built a CPU detection routine into it, JUST IN CASE somebody tries to install it on INTEL stuff!

(Either way? Lose/Lose situation... common-sense should have prevailed on the user's part, but also the developers should have put in a routine to check for the CPU type it was being installed to!)

APK

niko084 · Feb 13, 2007

Alec§taar said:
Fellas, this one's a "mixed bag", imo @ least (I read the thread where Niko installed it on an INTEL chipset & cpu setup is why I state this):

BOTH parties are "right & wrong" here...

1.) If it's an AMD product, for AMD hardwares? Heck - do NOT install it on INTEL stuff!

&

2.) Yes, AMD should have built a CPU detection routine into it, JUST IN CASE somebody tries to install it on INTEL stuff!

(Either way? Lose/Lose situation... common-sense should have prevailed on the user's part, but also the developers should have put in a routine to check for the CPU type it was being installed to!)

APK

Lol I responded in the other thread...

largon · Feb 13, 2007

rick22 said:
Well the last time i looked my AMD cpu didn't say INTEL next to it..

Mine does:

Namslas90 · Feb 13, 2007

largon said:
Mine does:

Well, maybe you should try it!! :roll:

largon · Feb 13, 2007

I reckon it's not a DC chip.

niko084 · Feb 13, 2007

largon said:
I reckon it's not a DC chip.

It's not... lol

InfDamarvel · Feb 13, 2007

Well this is common sense.

Completely Bonkers · Feb 13, 2007

Jimmy 2004 said:
Some people would have found that pretty obvious already...

AMD is hardly going to release something that boosts the performance of it's biggest rival after all.

AMD need to fix their software. It needs to do a CPU ID check and NOT install on non-AMD systems... or, at a minimum, be HARMLESS in a non AMD environment.

To bring a system down... and put data, time and money at risk... is not professional behaviour.

And in America they expose themselves to a liability. :rockout:

sue sue sue

Completely Bonkers · Feb 13, 2007

Who is this Sue girl anyway? She must be HOT. Everyone talks about her... :roll:

Zubasa · Feb 13, 2007

Completely Bonkers said:
AMD need to fix their software. It needs to do a CPU ID check and NOT install on non-AMD systems... or, at a minimum, be HARMLESS in a non AMD environment.

To bring a system down... and put data, time and money at risk... is not professional behaviour.

And in America they expose themselves to a liability. sue sue sue

It is a good thing for AMD if someone kill their Intel system :roll:

niko084 · Feb 13, 2007

Zubasa said:
It is a good thing for AMD if someone kill their Intel system

Kinda but seeing lazy points is not putting pluses in my side for considering building 17 opteron servers for a company in the next month.....

I think due to lazyiness I'll use Xeons.

Steevo · Feb 13, 2007

Wow.

F+

See me after class.

ktr · Feb 13, 2007

Ketxxx said:
.......

lol, ket...thats what i am thinking.

:slap:

niko084 · Feb 13, 2007

Steevo said:
Wow.

F+

See me after class.

Heh you don't know till you know. And it's not my fault AMD doesn't say anything about not working with intel, nor does it have error trapping.

Like I said worth the shot would have been kinda cool, didn't hurt anything, just makes amd's programmers look lazy.

ktr · Feb 13, 2007

niko084 said:
And it's not my fault AMD doesn't say anything about not working with intel, nor does it have error trapping.

...

look at the title of the download page...
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_9706,00.html

it says:

AMD Athlon™ 64/FX Processor Utilities and Updates

not

AMD Athlon™ 64/FX & Intel Dual Core Processor Utilities and Updates

AMD Dual-Core Optimizer is not really a Optimizer..but a PATCH!

The AMD Dual-Core Optimizer can help improve some PC gaming video performance by compensating for those applications that bypass the Windows API for timing by directly using the RDTSC (Read Time Stamp Counter) instruction. Applications that rely on RDTSC do not benefit from the logic in the operating system to properly account for the affect of power management mechanisms on the rate at which a processor core's Time Stamp Counter (TSC) is incremented. The AMD Dual-Core Optimizer helps to correct the resulting video performance effects or other incorrect timing effects that these applications may experience on dual-core processor systems, by periodically adjusting the core time-stamp-counters, so that they are synchronized.

AMD dual core suffered a performance loss due to a bad scheduleing issue...pretty much other way of say its a bug/flaw

niko084 · Feb 13, 2007

Aww okay.. Well I didn't read ALL the nitty gritty details. But either way, I knew I was asking for something that wouldn't work. I knew what I was getting into...

But they still really should error trap that, if anything else on load of the program...

Like I said before person upgrades system goes from amd dual core to intel without re-setup on windows. Poof system is screwed unless they know how to edit registry from the command prompt.

AshenSugar · Feb 14, 2007

this isnt a cpu design flaw/bug, its a windows flaw/bug like the k6/k6-2 win95 bug back in the day, back then ms even admited they screwed up.

this time they put out a patch that dose the same thing as the amd patch, just that ms's is reg based only nothing really installed

the perf issue can effect intel systems on some apps, but till pretty recently intel hasnt had dual core chips, they at best had HT(fake dual core)

this falls on MS and the software/game makers sholders(perf issues) because if they made better software this wouldnt have ever been an issue.

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