Microsoft Surface with Windows 8 RT Priced, Starts at $499

Kantastic · Oct 16, 2012

TheMailMan78 said:
Figured as much. Just looked them up. NEC has had them for years. New name on old tech.

Just looked up NEC devices with high PPI. The US military has had them for years. New name on old tech.

TheMailMan78 · Oct 16, 2012

Kantastic said:
Just looked up NEC devices with high PPI. The US military has had them for years. New name on old tech.

Ive seen them on medical grade monitors. It would be nice to have but nothing I need to do my job. Color accuracy is far more important.

Easy Rhino · Oct 16, 2012

Solaris17 said:
just a high PPI display nothing you cant get way cheaper by shopping for other professional displays.

huh? you trolling now, bro.

no tablet device has a display near the ipad3...

no other retailer has them for laptops...

TheMailMan78 said:
Figured as much. Just looked them up. NEC has had them for years. New name on old tech.

nec doesn't sell a tablet with these specs...

2048-by-1536 resolution, 3.1 million pixels in a 9.7-inch space

:nutkick:

Solaris17 · Oct 16, 2012

TheMailMan78 said:
Ive seen them on medical grade monitors. It would be nice to have but nothing I need to do my job. Color accuracy is far more important.

ya iv never seen any kind of add (minus apple) that pushed PPI only color accuracy. My best firneds dad and me would chat. he worked for auto desk (manchester NH) they gave him some really cool shit. He always talked about color accuracy. they also had some really expensive calibration equipment. I also love how not only were they not exactly interested in PPI but they hated anything but matte screens. I told him once i liked matte screens and he was like ya me and the guys do too gloss is a joke. which is exactly what retina is high PPI gloss screen. why any kind of 3d artist would want it is beyond me. if i want bloom effect on my purples and blues ill adjust it on my 2007FP in the nvidia CP.

Easy Rhino said:
huh? you trolling now, bro.

no tablet device has a display near the ipad3...

no other retailer has them for laptops...

nec doesn't sell a tablet with these specs...

2048-by-1536 resolution, 3.1 million pixels in a 9.7-inch space

trolling? no you brought up artistry and now you back out and say you were talking about tablets? do you even lift? you dont photoshop on an ipad or any tablet "bro"

Drone · Oct 16, 2012

bencrutz said:
8 RT -> arm processors
8 / 8 pro / 8 enterprise -> x86 processors

Plus RT will have Office 2013 oob.

PCMAG posted a comparison table between Surface and iPad

Easy Rhino · Oct 16, 2012

Solaris17 said:
do you even lift?

you dont photoshop on an ipad or any tablet "bro"

no, but you do look at images on it...

Solaris17 · Oct 16, 2012

Easy Rhino said:
no, but you do look at images on it...

i dont know any serious artist that would judge schematics and design and color from their designers tablet. that company would fail. you do these things from a workstation. and you dont need an $800 tablet to show some random passer by your cool new coke logo.

also im glad you caught that.

Easy Rhino · Oct 16, 2012

Solaris17 said:
i dont know any serious artist that would judge schematics and design and color from their designers tablet. that company would fail. you do these things from a workstation. and you dont need an $800 tablet to show some random passer by your cool new coke logo.

also im glad you caught that.

it's $600 and graphic artists do indeed use them. what's more, the increased resolution makes daily tasks much more pleasant on the eyes. having a retina display is a win-win and well worth the extra $100.

TheMailMan78 · Oct 16, 2012

Easy Rhino said:
no, but you do look at images on it...

I don't need PPI to look at porn and play Angry Birds. I don't care how fancy the display is the sensitivity is WAY to low for me to work off. I want a tablet that can do what this baby can do.......

Easy Rhino · Oct 16, 2012

TheMailMan78 said:
I don't need PPI to look at porn and play Angry Birds. I don't care how fancy the display is the sensitivity is WAY to low for me to work off. I want a tablet that can do what this baby can do.......

http://img.techpowerup.org/121016/800x600_DTH2400HD_01.jpeg
http://img.techpowerup.org/121016/800x600_DTH2400HD_07.jpeg

well then the ipad is not for you...

TheMailMan78 · Oct 16, 2012

Easy Rhino said:
well then the ipad is not for you...

No tablet is. Thats why I want MS to team up with Wacom. If they do there is a huge market for digital artists that will jump all over a digital "sketch pad".

Easy Rhino said:
it's $600 and graphic artists do indeed use them. what's more, the increased resolution makes daily tasks much more pleasant on the eyes. having a retina display is a win-win and well worth the extra $100.

Most "artists" are idiots too and buy anything "Apple". However your real pros still use workstations and Wacoms. Come on man you talking to me about this is like me trying to argue Java with you.

johnnyfiive · Oct 16, 2012

naoan said:
So it's $500 for a 20GB WinRT tablet (Windows RT default install need 12.4GB)

Remind me again why I would want this?

How much space does the $499 New iPad 16GB give you after the OS install?

Remind you again why you would want it.... well, its a much more capable tablet when compared to a iPad, thats why.
To the people saying its too expensive, you need to read the specs, understand its made directly by Microsoft, and that its not just a typical $200 Nexus 7 type tablet. It's way more capable than any tablet out on the market today. Surface isn't a tablet, its more like a tablet-laptop hybrid. I'm excited for Microsoft and Windows 8. I want to see the Surface Pro pricing!

erocker · Oct 16, 2012

TheMailMan78 said:
Most "artists" are idiots too and buy anything "Apple". However your real pros still use workstations and Wacoms. Come on man you talking to me about this is like me trying to argue Java with you.

This is a very true statement, other than the "real pros using workstations and Wacoms". Apple is well entrenched in the professional market too. You know this.

Easy Rhino · Oct 16, 2012

TheMailMan78 said:
No tablet is. Thats why I want MS to team up with Wacom. If they do there is a huge market for digital artists that will jump all over a digital "sketch pad".

Most "artists" are idiots too and buy anything "Apple". However your real pros still use workstations and Wacoms. Come on man you talking to me about this is like me trying to argue Java with you.

huh? what defines a real pro. you are just trolling. apple has sold million upon millions upon millions of ipad 3 and apple is the largest and most powerful hardware and software company in existence. just how many ipads do they need to sell to make you see that people buy them more than just to look cool. maybe you are the one who needs to get with the times.

TheMailMan78 · Oct 16, 2012

erocker said:
This is a very true statement, other than the "real pros using workstations and Wacoms". Apple is well entrenched in the professional market too. You know this.

Apple USED to be. If you look at what most top tier production studios and design departments use today it tends to be PC oriented. Only thing Apple has a real foothold in is audio and art schools anymore. Not in the "real world" of illustration.

Easy Rhino said:
huh? what defines a real pro. you are just trolling. apple has sold million upon millions upon millions of ipad 3 and apple is the largest and most powerful hardware and software company in existence. just how many ipads do they need to sell to make you see that people buy them more than just to look cool. maybe you are the one who needs to get with the times.

Epic attempt at trolling me. Kudos. Almost bit. Anyway most professionals that have lasted more then 5 years in the industry tend to be "real pros". Most kids get out of college taking art because they suck at everything else. When they see how tough it is they normally bail within five years and go teach art classes in elementary schools. Top tier artists don't work off iPads. Sorry but that's just a fact of life. They use what works. Hell the guy who just passed from Cancer that did all the concept art for the Fallout games used a 3 generation Wacom tablet! That's damn near 8 years old and look what he could do....oh and he worked off a PC. iPads are for normal everyday users. Not professional illustrators.

erocker · Oct 16, 2012

TheMailMan78 said:
Apple USED to be. If you look at what most top tier production studios and design departments use today it tends to be PC oriented. Only thing Apple has a real foothold in is audio and art schools anymore. Not in the "real world" of illustration.

I disagree. Back to the topic which isn't apple.

*If I hear anyone call anyone else a troll their getting infracted.

Irony · Oct 16, 2012

I'm very interested in the surface pro, been waiting for it since it was first announced. And I dont give a crap about resolution; I generally use my tablet about 2 1/2 feet away, so standard res is great.

MxPhenom 216 · Oct 16, 2012

Irony said:
I'm very interested in the surface pro, been waiting for it since it was first announced. And I dont give a crap about resolution; I generally use my tablet about 2 1/2 feet away, so standard res is great.

It would be sweet if the Pro was atleast 1080p though.

Dos101 · Oct 16, 2012

MxPhenom 216 said:
It would be sweet if the Pro was atleast 1080p though.

It will be 1080p, check the specs: http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-CA/surface-with-windows-8-pro/specifications

MxPhenom 216 · Oct 16, 2012

Dos101 said:
It will be 1080p, check the specs: http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-CA/surface-with-windows-8-pro/specifications

Perfect!!!

3870x2 · Oct 16, 2012

Easy Rhino said:
huh? what defines a real pro. you are just trolling. apple has sold million upon millions upon millions of ipad 3 and apple is the largest and most powerful hardware and software company in existence. just how many ipads do they need to sell to make you see that people buy them more than just to look cool. maybe you are the one who needs to get with the times.

Apples wealth is measured in the ignorant bliss of the masses.

And boy are there masses living out of their means buying things they cant really afford. I wonder how many people are still paying for their first iphone purchased 4 years ago still working at their minimum wage jobs.

I also wonder how many people living on welfare currently own an iphone. I know of 3, the only 3 people that I know that are on welfare.

TheMailMan78 · Oct 16, 2012

erocker said:
I disagree. Back to the topic which isn't apple.

*If I hear anyone call anyone else a troll their getting infracted.

Thank you.

Anyway I would like to see the next pro have some serious sensitivity on it. I might finally be able to have a mobile digital sketch pad.

tacosRcool · Oct 16, 2012

We all knew this would be the price. A better value than the ipad since MS office is included with the Surface. Though me personally I would rather go for the Windows 8 based tablets rather than the RT ones

Frick · Oct 16, 2012

Why oh why do you people drag apple into EVERYTHING?

Anyway, this is a good price. Let the OEMs do the lower end stuff.

Kreij · Oct 16, 2012

3870x2 said:
I was told yesterday that the appstore requires the programs to be compiled under both ARM and x86.

That could be a huge pain in the ass for developers. The only real thing that differentiates the mobile operating systems is that app stores.

From what I've read that is not the case as not all "Metro style" apps will be a good fit on ARM.
If you use Visual Studio 2012, and are using pure .Net code (C#/VB/Javascript) then you can create a package with the target set to "neutral (Any CPU)" as they will run on x86/x64 and ARM.
If you are writing using native code and managed code then you will need to specify each of the target platforms you want the package to be built for and upload them separately.

Long but good blog article for developers

They've built a lot into VS 2012 to support this and take most of the pain out of it.

If you are building a "Metro style" app you have to use their store no matter what platform you are targetting.
If you are not building a "Metro style" App you can distribute it any way you want, as has always been the case.

A lot of the blog entries are not very recent (ie. the one I liked is from June), but I don't think a lot has changed since then.

Anyway ... I don't think these prices are unreasonable.

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