AMD FX-8350 - "Piledriver" for AMD Socket AM3+

[os2wiz]

Amen, it's funny the people buying new GPUs and and CPUs every year are probably the same ones slamming people buying Ipads and Macbook pros every year.

Enough said you right.

 

[eidairaman1]

WEell I slam ipad and Iphone users, because they overpay just to be cool. The product is not a better productivity enhancer than a Samsung android or a Toshiba Excite 10" android tablet like I have. Saving $400 over an Ipad 3 and being able to do everything I want to on my tablet gives me a weird feeling of satisfaction . I can gloat at the fools standing in line and wasting hard earned money for a status symbol.

dude knock it off ok. there was no need to say anymore:shadedshu

Amen, it's funny the people buying new GPUs and and CPUs every year are probably the same ones slamming people buying Ipads and Macbook pros every year.

Ya I hear ya, I use a Galaxy S 1 as my phone and a 7 year old laptop as my mobile platform and my sig rig at home, Phone definitely needs a fix, the laptop runs skype just fine and doesnt overheat like the new ones on the market

 

[DaedalusHelios]

I see the 3570k and the FX8350 at roughly the same price.
3570k = $230 on average
FX-8350 = $220 on average

Proper OC motherboards are roughly the same price too.

So why would you buy a processor like the FX-8350 that uses far more power, and suffers from poor single threaded performance which we use most day-to-day? The multi-threaded performance was roughly equivalent.

*** Why are you guys talking about Apple. lol

 

[os2wiz]

I see the 3570k and the FX8350 at roughly the same price.
3570k = $230 on average
FX-8350 = $220 on average

Proper OC motherboards are roughly the same price too.

So why would you buy a processor like the FX-8350 that uses far more power, and suffers from poor single threaded performance which we use most day-to-day? The multi-threaded performance was roughly equivalent.

*** Why are you guys talking about Apple. lol

That difference will grow in about 2 weeks as the supply chain fills and the FX-8350 prices gravitates toward the msrp which is the natural p[rogression. In a month the difference will be about $30. Remember prices are always inflated at product introductions.

 

[eidairaman1]

That difference will grow in about 2 weeks as the supply chain fills and the FX-8350 prices gravitates toward the msrp which is the natural p[rogression. In a month the difference will be about $30. Remember prices are always inflated at product introductions.

yup initial profits

 

[DaedalusHelios]

Also I realize saying far more power is a bit of an overstatement. I should have said considerably more.

 

[eidairaman1]

Also I realize saying far more power is a bit of an overstatement. I should have said considerably more.

if you would put it that way, but ya first thing i noticed from daves review is the power draw is down which is a plus because with that clock ramping can happen on this design/stepping/OPN.

Hopefully they are taking the time, reasearch, quality of the development on test models of SR (IF they have made it tangible prototypes)

 

[os2wiz]

if you would put it that way, but ya first thing i noticed from daves review is the power draw is down which is a plus because with that clock ramping can happen on this design/stepping/OPN.

Hopefully they are taking the time, reasearch, quality of the development on test models of SR (IF they have made it tangible prototypes)

So when you ordering yours?? I paid 210.90 on blt.com but it's not in stock, I won't have it in less than 12 days.. I am looking to pay less and get it in the next4-5 days . Anybody got a good source? I almost ordered from Tiger Direct for $205.50 . The economy shipping is 2.99 more, but delivery can take as long as 9 days, so I said no.If you guys no a better alternative, I'll cancel the order at blt andjump at it. I just refuse to pay Newegg the bloated price of 219.99 $25 above msrp. I called to them and bellyached about it. I have been a regular customer of theirs. As an enthusiast I have spent almost $10,00 there in the past 5 years. I told them they were price gouging like they did when Bulldozer was introduced. They blew me off. I'm just a drop in the sea to them.

 

[eidairaman1]

So when you ordering yours?? I paid 210.90 on blt.com but it's not in stock. I am looking to pay less and get it in the next4-5 days . Anybody got a good source? I almost ordered from Tiger Direct for $205.0 . The economy shipping is 2.99 more, but delivery can take as long as 9 days, so I said no.

once things are golden in my life. I was thinking eventually taking my Bros machine i built him last year. Probably wont have PD in it as it has a PII unlocked

 

[DaedalusHelios]

once things are golden in my life. I was thinking eventually taking my Bros machine i built him last year. Probably wont have PD in it as it has a PII unlocked

What do you mean? How old are you if you don't mind saying.....

 

[eidairaman1]

What do you mean? How old are you if you don't mind saying.....

check your PM

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Re tap water cooling

That should do wonders for limiting galvanic corrosion.

and i care:shadedshu, im on tpu ,max is the endgame at all times dude, all be it max with what i have, im not calling you for obssesive hardware buying, just the trollin fella,

i am a different end user to you and one you might consider because an fx8350 is right on plan for an upgrade to my system (and many like mine)and i doubt ill be unhappy at 150 notes,,, period, i also dont forsee any issues continuing to run a xfire setup with a physx card and also a pciex ssd, something intel wanted mega money for at the time i rebuilt, and still want proper money for now, id be happier with a better allocation of lanes or manual adjust but ah well.

 

[HumanSmoke]

im not calling you for obssesive hardware buying, just the trollin fella

Bullshit. If trolling was a reason to fired up, you'd have jumped all over cdawall's posting. Some of the of the guys' "facts" come straight out of Fantasia.
Personally, run whatever you want- this is supposedly a tech enthusiast community, and as such, I've not denigrated a single item of hardware in 290+ posts here (unlike some), because my interest is hardware, and not a brand of hardware...probably why I was pretty much certain what PD was bringing to the table some time before launch

 

[eidairaman1]

Well 8 ghz was broken with the 8350 all modules and cores enabled

 

[cdawall]

So what? My nephew uses my old hand-me-down 4 year old QX9650/X48 Rampage on LGA 775. It certainly isn't embarrassed by any AMD CPU performance.

You sure about that? Put 2 GPU's on it or stress the memory out and see how well that FSB does. If you want I am sure I can find you a stack of benchmarks showing how well that ones goes.

The one that delivers on time.
On a personal note, I like new stuff. If Haswell delivers, I might just buy it...but then, I tend to upgrade yearly- probably why Intel make so much money!

No kidding you buy Intel I honestly didn't see that one coming.

The same can be said for any full featured Z77 and X79...or are you too myopic to see past a brand?

Except with Z77 and X79 you cannot go buy a brand new CPU every year you will by buying a brand new motherboard as well or can you not see past brand.

Because AMD are the only company to evolve their CPU design ? because Intel CPU's lack multi-threaded performance ? Because the next 6-12 months are going to see an exponential growth in software tailored to Bulldozer architecture ? Because AMD can stick to a timetable and their performance estimates ?

What are you trying to get at with this one? You own a P6 design chip which dates back to Pentium 3. It was designed in the middle of single core needs. We are well past that. Software doesn't have to be tailored for bulldozer all it has to do is allow bulldozer to use AVX. Weird how there is a CPUID flag in a lot of programs that block AMD even when it supports the technology. The rest of what you said is fluff.

While you're answering those, maybe you can provide links to support your supposition of "every company complaining about multithreading".

How about Intel's guide to multithreading that the released for free for everyone to use in hopes to help get programmers to multithread apps or this one were a programmer was cornered by intel. Would you like some more?

So what? How many people use every feature on a motherboard?

That is probably the dumbest argument for why Intel's $100+ don't offer any improvement over AMD's $60 mobo's.

Bleat on about dual x8 boards (presumeably for CFX/SLI) and rave about "mildly worse" in gaming. Sounds about right.

That is already considered a pretty bad review, but figures you would find it. I am quite glad to see a $130 more expensive processor perform better when not only overclocked more, but also using a $50 more expensive motherboard. For $180 I could buy a lot of things to make up for the frames. Like better cooling for a higher overclock, or better video cards that perform better.

What I find most interesting is the 3770K they clocked up hit higher than most at 4.8ghz and the 8350 fell short of every other review out there. Gee I do wonder if that review might possibly have been a bit biased to one side.

I'd think that more people might look at options such as choice in the mATX/ITX form factor, onboard WiFi and WiDi, SSD caching and the like.

SSD caching is available on ONE chipset. Not exactly making headway. AMD also has options for onboard WiFi.

True, but whats AMD's track record ? I know which company I'd trust more to adhere to their timetable.

That's nice.

Rubbish. Dual GPU cards and CFX/SLI are already impacting the electrical restriction of PCI-E 2.0

Electrical restriction meaning what? Power consumption or performance? TPU's own review shows negligible difference between 2.0 and 3.0 PCI-e X16

I see we've reached the limit of your knowledge.
PCI-E x16 2.0 @x16 = 80GT/sec (8GB/sec) * 80% (8b/10b encode) = 64GT/sec (6.4GB/sec)
PCI-E x16 3.0 @x8 = 64GT/sec (6.4GB/sec)* 98.46% (128b/130b encode)= 63.6GT/sec (6.36GB/sec)

I see we have substantially exceeded yours as has been already pointed out to you quite bluntly already. It isn't all about the bandwidth, but how it is delivered. The number of available lanes is a substantial hamper on crossfire and SLi performance. Hence why people do not want a 16x/4x mobo instead looking for an 8x/8x.

Bullshit. If trolling was a reason to fired up, you'd have jumped all over cdawall's posting. Some of the of the guys' "facts" come straight out of Fantasia.

Also if you would like to continue to insulting not only myself, but many other members of this forums I am sure the moderators will have no issues escorting you off of the forums.

Personally, run whatever you want- this is supposedly a tech enthusiast community, and as such, I've not denigrated a single item of hardware in 290+ posts here (unlike some), because my interest is hardware, and not a brand of hardware...probably why I was pretty much certain what PD was bringing to the table some time before launch

The post you quoted is you naming things that you don't think AMD will have I fail to see how that proves anything in your favor.

 

[drdeathx]

honestly who cares, Its Out, it draws less power, runs faster than BD so whats it matter anymore. These chips will replace BD totally and make room for SR so lets end the nonsense.

(Beating a Deadhorse is only fun for maybe 2 minutes then its boring, some start sounding like broken records around here)

LOL, thats why this is called a forum...

 

[HumanSmoke]

You sure about that? Put 2 GPU's on it or stress the memory out and see how well that FSB does. If you want I am sure I can find you a stack of benchmarks showing how well that ones goes.

Don't need them thanks I ran a few myself back in the day. My last two LGA775 systems (the QX9650 w/ HD 5850BE CFX and Q9400 @ 417FSB/no bump in Vcore (1.2375V) /3.33G +EP45-DS4P+ GTX 280SLI/HD 5850 CFX and later briefly, 580 SLI w/SLI hack) were perfectly stable every day they ran

Except with Z77 and X79 you cannot go buy a brand new CPU every year you will by buying a brand new motherboard as well

And this is a problem for the enthusiast builder in what way?

What are you trying to get at with this one?

I thought it was obvious. I was asking questions.

You own a P6 design chip which dates back to Pentium 3. It was designed in the middle of single core needs. We are well past that.

So Intel CPU design is dead? Well, if it is you can rejoice. Don't save me a pew in your church just yet.

That is already considered a pretty bad review

And why is that? Because it doesn't bolster your argument. How about this one:

but figures you would find it. I am quite glad to see a $130 more expensive processor perform better when not only overclocked more

Better than what??? Maybe you can show me where I said anything about a comparison regarding performance, show me where I disparaged PD's performance. You seem to be making some straw man argument and trying to put forward an idea that AMD are the future and Intel's CPU's don't cut it.
All I've mentioned is a personal choice based on the local resell market (a scarcity/lateness to local market for AMD waterblocks doesn't help the enthusiast here either), and a general opinion of marketability from an OEM standpoint. You're the one with a Go-AMD or go home mentality.

What I find most interesting is the 3770K they clocked up hit higher than most at 4.8ghz and the 8350 fell short...

WTF are you talking about? the PCI-E 2.0 vs 3.0 article only featured Intel systems.

SSD caching is available on ONE chipset. Not exactly making headway.

Well no, actually it's both the chipsets you talked about earlier ( Z77 and likely X79)...

Except with Z77 and X79 you cannot go buy a brand new CPU every year you will by buying a brand new motherboard as well

...as well as Z68 and Z75 and H77 and Q77

AMD also has options for onboard WiFi.

Must be very prevalent if the only example you could find was a discontinued board. You might also note that my quote was related to what the majority of prospective computer buyers might look for (as opposed to "enthusiasts"). So, if you believe that as a marketing bulletpoint, multithreading is a better drawcard than WiFi, WiDi etc. etc. for the masses...

I'd think that more people might look at options such as choice in the mATX/ITX form factor, onboard WiFi and WiDi, SSD caching and the like.

...then we indeed see marketing for the masses from a different perspective

Electrical restriction meaning what?

What it usually means...data I/O

TPU's own review shows negligible difference between 2.0 and 3.0 PCI-e X16

I thought that had been made relatively clear when I mentioned dual-GPU and multi-GPU

The number of available lanes is a substantial hamper on crossfire and SLi performance. Hence why people do not want a 16x/4x mobo instead looking for an 8x/8x.

SLI isn't available for any motherboard with a x16/x4 lane assignment, and four lanes mechanical/electrical does tend to bottleneck some enthusiast level cards relying on some CPU intensive games. We've (I've) already established that the difference between PCI-E 2.0 x16 @ 16 and PCI-E 3.0 x16 @ 8 is nominal for bandwidth, and favours the 3.0 spec for latency (encoding overhead)

Also if you would like to continue to insulting not only myself...

No offense intended, but if I see opinion paraded as fact I tend to note it as such.

The post you quoted is you naming things that you don't think AMD will have I fail to see how that proves anything in your favor.

The reply was in response to SuperXP. Their assertion being that the PD benches circulating weren't PD but a Bulldozer revision. My assertion was/is that PD is basically a Bulldozer revision (as opposed to a full respin), and as such wasn't incorporating RCM- which, with it's lowering of power envelope was one of the distinguishing characteristics touted between Bulldozer and (the original) Piledriver- a plan that now seems to be a tweak to accelerate PD's entry into the marketplace and possibly leaves room for a second revision should Steamroller be delayed ( by GloFo's 28nm bulk process ramp speed or otherwise).

 

[eidairaman1]

LOL, thats why this is called a forum...

thank you Lt Sarcasm

 

[EarthDog]

SSD caching is available on ONE chipset.

Its at least on Z68 and Z77... not sure about P67...So that is at least two. Its a neat feature that AMD should have IMO. Useful for the 'demographic' that posts here and other n00blet home users that want a kick in the arse but cant afford a decent sized SSD. One would think with AMD's crosshairs firmly locked on the bang for your buck crowd, that they would at least attempt to have something similar.

BUt yeah, it just came out from those chipsets so..................I wouldnt expect them to be on any others, LOL!

 

[EarthDog]

For me, memory bandwidth plays a large role in Multi-GPU performance, and in a very perceptible way. I agree with your sentiment about memory perforamnce in a big way for everything else though.

@ Dave,

I tested out memory last night in 3dMark Vantage and 3dMark 11. With 2 7850's and 3770K at 4Ghz (Z77 Mpower), my scored dropped 100 points in 3d11. In vantage it dropped a few hundred. Here is the thing though, in BOTH tests, it lost those points because of the CPU and PhsyX tests. The GPU scores remained the same.

For games, in BF3 and batman, I saw negligible differences (1FPS). So at least with these lower powered cards, it doesnt make a difference at all. I will have 7970's on the test bench here in a few days, and will try that again.

 

[cadaveca]

@ Dave,

I tested out memory last night in 3dMark Vantage and 3dMark 11. With 2 7850's and 3770K at 4Ghz (Z77 Mpower), my scored dropped 100 points in 3d11. In vantage it dropped a few hundred. Here is the thing though, in BOTH tests, it lost those points because of the CPU and PhsyX tests. The GPU scores remained the same.

For games, in BF3 and batman, I saw negligible differences (1FPS). So at least with these lower powered cards, it doesnt make a difference at all. I will have 7970's on the test bench here in a few days, and will try that again.

Playa real game, watch minimums. overall FPS does not increase, but minimums do not go as low. And yes, 3dm11 will show same 3d score.

 

[EarthDog]

BF3 and batman are real games. Minimums changed negligibly as well in the games....Im thinking its game/card dependent. Perhaps the7850's arent pumping enough data through it to saturate the pipe...

(anyway, not about FX, my bad... we cant yap in PM if you like)

 

[drdeathx]

thank you Lt Sarcasm

Just a friendly reminder!

 

[eidairaman1]

Just a friendly reminder!

ya and that was me being friendly and funny

 

[drdeathx]

ya and that was me being friendly and funny

ME BALLS HURT!