ASUS Launches PQ321 Monitor with 3840 x 2160 IGZO Display

Solidstate89 · May 31, 2013

I've never understood how people think Windows scales horribly. Windows is by far the most flexible OS when it comes to scaling the UI and text elements. The only issues I ever run into are third party programs that aren't developed properly, but the OS and first party applications all run magnificently at any scale level that I set within Windows. And with an add-on installed in Firefox, that browser works fine as well.

Steevo · May 31, 2013

People only believe that as they also believe the artificially implemented limitations of hardware and software to prevent users from doing what they want on a mac is a "feature", and occasionally what they don't mean to (no video drivers installed and a 1024X768 display resolution on a 23" 1080 panel, I have seen it. After fixing it the person complained that "I moved their icons" and "Why are the items so tiny!!" makes a PC bad. Right click on desktop and change your setups, windows has allowed it for longer than many were out of diapers.

[H]@RD5TUFF · May 31, 2013

As long as it's sub $1500 I will HAZ!

MadMan007 · May 31, 2013

Frick said:
What about cheap 2560 x 1600/1440????

Under $600 isn't cheap enough for you for an IPS panel with 2560x1440 resolution? The Dell U2713HM is regularly available at $600 and has been $550 a few times.

Frick · May 31, 2013

JDG1980 said:
In response to Frick and McSteel: Yes, there are definitely issues with DPI scaling on Windows, but the problems aren't with the OS itself. Windows 7 scales just fine, as does IE and almost all the other stuff built into Windows. The problem is with ill-behaved third-party applications. If 4K monitors start to become commonplace, there will be pressure on these vendors to fix their applications to be DPI-aware (Microsoft has actually been urging them to do it for years, but most haven't). Adobe Lightroom 5 now does DPI scaling properly and Adobe claims that Photoshop will be updated to do so in the not-too-distant future.

Yeah well yes and no. The Windows 7 log in screen for example doesn't scale at all. At least the last time I tried (Win7 SP1) there were some elements that didn't look right. And as others have said, the major advantage of Windows is the software library. You can run anything. Some, not all, major applications works fine, others don't. Look at these images, it's Chrome and Firefox. FF renders the site in the middle of everything, Chrome is fuzzy all over. Yes those things are probably pretty easily fixed for the devs, and the probably will be, but still. Now multiply that for every program (well most programs anyway) ever written for Windows and you see the problem.

MadMan007 said:
Under $600 isn't cheap enough for you for an IPS panel with 2560x1440 resolution? The Dell U2713HM is regularly available at $600 and has been $550 a few times.

Not really no. It's a good price, but I want TN monitors to get to $200. Seriously, we've had 1080p for ages now.

pokazene_maslo · May 31, 2013

3D support

I hope that this display will support passive 3D (the one where even lines are polarized in one direction and odd lines in other direction).

buggalugs · May 31, 2013

Res looks great but response time doesn't. No good having a high res monitor if your gaming is blurry. Will need to see a proper review of its gaming performance.

The other thing is, not sure I would pay top dollar for 4K right now, with OLED coming soon.

midnightoil · May 31, 2013

bencrutz said:
other than the fact that IGZO uses rare earth mineral that most likely it will sustain it's high price? no, i don't

This is an IPS monitor. As mentioned in the article, IZGO refers to what the active layer is physically made from, not the type of LCD.

As for those speculating that this will be 'cheap' compared with the Sharp ... absolutely not. This is the Sharp monitor. It's exactly the same panel (made by Sharp), possibly with different backlighting (though I doubt it) and a different case and OSD software. You might see it 20% cheaper, but I doubt even that unless these units are many pegs lower on QC scale.

P.S. IZGO has been said to be able to improve pixel responsiveness significantly, so I'm more excited to see if some 'real' 120+hz IPS monitors finally appear. Then I'd finally be able to use one monitor for producivity / gaming AND photo editing. Such a pain to use TN for the former and IPS for the latter.

nemesis.ie · May 31, 2013

And a 39"?

Did anyone else notice at the very end they will also be exhibiting a 39" model?

Now THAT sounds tempting, but +1 for the 120Hz/BL strobing.

I also wonder if this will have that fancy "moth eye" anti-glare and RGBY pixels Sharp has developed, if not, a 4k Sharp TV might be even better, e.g. a 50" pushed to the back of the desk ... droool.

Maban · May 31, 2013

radrok · May 31, 2013

Let's hope they don't go overly aggressive with the anti-glare coat.

10bit panel, good.

Count me in for one if it's under 2,5k.

McSteel · May 31, 2013

10bit panel means jack with a standard gamut backlight...

Tannhäuser · May 31, 2013

Monitor sales decreasing

Interesting forecast. :wtf:

The market for monitors could get stirred up if the trend goes on: Forecast for global shipments of tablets, laptops and desktop PCs from 2010 to 2017 (in million units).

NdMk2o1o · May 31, 2013

Frick said:
What about cheap 2560 x 1600/1440????

Shimian/Catleap , problem solved :toast:

I'm gonna need a magnifying glass to use this thing as already on a 27" 1440p monitor I have to increase the DPI to 115% and set internet browsing at 135% zoom just so I'm not straining, do I do sit back about 3 feet from the monitor if that makes a difference, think I need an eyetest, always had perfect eyesight but sitting at bright monitors for the last 10 years has definitely had an effect on them

anyway, I digress...

midnightoil · May 31, 2013

NdMk2o1o said:
Shimian/Catleap , problem solved

I'm gonna need a magnifying glass to use this thing as already on a 27" 1440p monitor I have to increase the DPI to 115% and set internet browsing at 135% zoom just so I'm not straining, do I do sit back about 3 feet from the monitor if that makes a difference, think I need an eyetest, always had perfect eyesight but sitting at bright monitors for the last 10 years has definitely had an effect on them anyway, I digress...

Reduce the brightness significantly, I suggest. Not only is it better for your eyes, but you won't squint / narrow your pupils so much and text / details will seem much clearer.

I sit about 2 feet from a 23" 1920x1080 and usually zoom out 2-3 steps from default on most webpages (I don't fiddle with global settings).

NdMk2o1o · May 31, 2013

midnightoil said:
Reduce the brightness significantly, I suggest. Not only is it better for your eyes, but you won't squint / narrow your pupils so much and text / details will seem much clearer.

I sit about 2 feet from a 23" 1920x1080 and usually zoom out 2-3 steps from default on most webpages (I don't fiddle with global settings).

I have decreased the brightness as at factory default it can literally light up a dark room, the problem with that is that colours then become washed, white being the most prominent and ends up looking a slightly washed out grey tint, my chairs a recliner and I like to lean back on it as it's comfy lol if I sat up I would be about 2 feet from it and could easily deal with standard DPI though that extra 1 foot away from it really makes it hard trying to make out text.

Frick · May 31, 2013

NdMk2o1o said:
Shimian/Catleap , problem solved

I'm gonna need a magnifying glass to use this thing as already on a 27" 1440p monitor I have to increase the DPI to 115% and set internet browsing at 135% zoom just so I'm not straining, do I do sit back about 3 feet from the monitor if that makes a difference, think I need an eyetest, always had perfect eyesight but sitting at bright monitors for the last 10 years has definitely had an effect on them anyway, I digress...

Doesnt exist in sweden and with monitors i want to go as local as possible.

NdMk2o1o · May 31, 2013

Frick said:
Doesnt exist in sweden and with monitors i want to go as local as possible.

I bought from Korea as have most others with these monitors and most speak highly of the quality and sellers etc though if you only buy local that's your prerogative and I respect that, just don't think 1440p/1600p monitors will be cheap in the western world anytime soon, let alone these beasts when they come out, though hopefully we will see more mfr's follow suit with 4k displays :toast:

Brusfantomet · Jun 1, 2013

Frick said:
Doesnt exist in sweden and with monitors i want to go as local as possible.

Check dustin, they have a Dell U2713HM for 4000 nok (680 usd, but that includes 25% VAT) for the last couple of weeks.

Maban said:
accessories: RS-232V conversion cable

Now that is not quite normal accessories for a consumer display.

midnightoil said:
This is an IPS monitor. As mentioned in the article, IZGO refers to what the active layer is physically made from, not the type of LCD.

As for those speculating that this will be 'cheap' compared with the Sharp ... absolutely not. This is the Sharp monitor. It's exactly the same panel (made by Sharp), possibly with different backlighting (though I doubt it) and a different case and OSD software. You might see it 20% cheaper, but I doubt even that unless these units are many pegs lower on QC scale.

P.S. IZGO has been said to be able to improve pixel responsiveness significantly, so I'm more excited to see if some 'real' 120+hz IPS monitors finally appear. Then I'd finally be able to use one monitor for producivity / gaming AND photo editing. Such a pain to use TN for the former and IPS for the latter.

Ok, so it is a ISP, was a bit confused with the viewing angels at only 178 degrees as opposed to 179.

and you are saying minimum 4000 USD as launch price? That could bee a bit steep

120Hz IPS, this screen is only getting better.

Frick · Jun 1, 2013

NdMk2o1o said:
I bought from Korea as have most others with these monitors and most speak highly of the quality and sellers etc though if you only buy local that's your prerogative and I respect that, just don't think 1440p/1600p monitors will be cheap in the western world anytime soon, let alone these beasts when they come out, though hopefully we will see more mfr's follow suit with 4k displays

I just don't see what the holdup is. When Apple bought along their "retina" stuff I thought the rest of the market would follow pretty soon, but nooooo. Instead more 1920 x 1200 monitor have come out again, which is just weird.

Brusfantomet said:
Check dustin, they have a Dell U2713HM for 4000 nok (680 usd, but that includes 25% VAT) for the last couple of weeks.

It's 4390SEK as of now, and it is a good price for that monitor, but I want a regular old TN panel for 2500SEK.

There is a new one though, the PHILIPS 272C4QPJKAB, which is less than 4000SEK (€430).. Hmm.. Getting there..

jihadjoe · Jun 1, 2013

FrustratedGarrett said:
When are we gonna get back-light strobing displays. Even at 60Hz, motion picture would look a lot clearer than a 120Hz monitor without strobed back-light.

A strobe at 60Hz would be a bad idea. It'd eliminate ghosting, but then it would also flicker like an old CRT.

Pixel persistence is the main reason 60Hz is considered acceptable for LCDs, whereas back in the day you pretty much had to aim for at least 85Hz if you were going to be staring at the screen for long amounts of time.

Prima.Vera · Jun 1, 2013

Refresh rate for LCDs and refresh rate for CRTs are like comparing lemons with melons.

McSteel · Jun 1, 2013

He isn't. He's comparing CRT electron beam scanning with LCD backlight strobe and makes no mistakes in doing so. This is what BL strobe looks like, and it's exactly like what the CRT monitors do, to the human eye.

tacosRcool · Jun 2, 2013

I would like yes.

Prima.Vera · Jun 2, 2013

McSteel said:
He isn't. He's comparing CRT electron beam scanning with LCD backlight strobe and makes no mistakes in doing so. This is what BL strobe looks like, and it's exactly like what the CRT monitors do, to the human eye.

Is similar but not exactly. CRT and LCD are completely different technologies. There are physical limitations in place here, common.

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