Editorial Windows 8.1, and Why You Should Let Go of Windows 7

AsRock · Jul 7, 2013

ManofGod said:
Look, you can have your opinion all you want but, I think this is one of the stupidest arguments I hear on the internet all the time. Right, I am going to run out and rebuy all my games just so I can run them on Linux if I could. wtf: Windows is successful because it works well and has excellent backwards compatibility.

I like Linux and all other Operating systems as well but, Windows is still the most popular and often the best solution, hands down. But, if you want to rebuy all your games, go for it. (I am sure the profit managers will thank you.)

excellent backward compatibility except with a hell load of users, and as for buying all your games again you don't need too if you been buying them on steam..

johnspack · Jul 9, 2013

In the end I'll do like I did with XP, I'll upgrade and adapt, like we all will. I skipped Vista because it was garbage, and Win7 turned out to be great. Win8 is annoying with it's home page full of adverts and junk screaming in your face, and let's pray for 8.1.... My main gripe is no dam free disk space in explorer in Win8, it's a deal breaker for me, but eventually I'll just have to live with less info ect for my OS. Win8 + wants users to be removed from their OS, and relieve any control over it. Dam, I almost want to go to linux now...... I remember writing programs in debug in dos 3.1 to do things......

Jstn7477 · Jul 9, 2013

Windows 8.1 won't install on my late 2010 Toshiba Satellite A665D-S6091 because it has an HD 4250 + HD 5650, and literally right at the end of the install it tries to update the drivers and bam, BSOD, and rolls back to Windows 8 again. I hate this stupid laptop and the fact that it has both 4K and a 5K series graphics in it which now require two completely different driver sets because AMD couldn't man up and release unified legacy drivers.

ManofGod · Jul 9, 2013

WaroDaBeast said:
Nice strawman, but I'm too old to fall for those now. If you so much as possess half a brain, you will have understood what I wrote, which was: "No, you don't need to buy games a second time under Linux." The rest is completely irrelevant fluff you've added to make it seem you gave an actual answer.

Let's see if you can stay on topic with this one — which games would I have to buy under Linux, supposing I already own the Windows version?

Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Crysis 2, Crysis 3, Max Payne, Max Payne 2, Max Payne 3, Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, Elder Scrolls: Skyrim, Back to the Future Series, GOG Games, Batman: Arkham Asylum and City and on and on and on......

No way I was going to list all the games I own because it would have been a great wall of text. You asked, I showed you. Of course, none of those games a Linux native either. (None of these companies are going to say, hey, we just made a Linux native version, go ahead, download it for free if you have our other version for windows.)

ManofGod · Jul 9, 2013

Jstn7477 said:
Windows 8.1 won't install on my late 2010 Toshiba Satellite A665D-S6091 because it has an HD 4250 + HD 5650, and literally right at the end of the install it tries to update the drivers and bam, BSOD, and rolls back to Windows 8 again. I hate this stupid laptop and the fact that it has both 4K and a 5K series graphics in it which now require two completely different driver sets because AMD couldn't man up and release unified legacy drivers.

So, the install never finishes then? The only reason I ask is because, although I was able to get it installed on my machine, it still is concerning. (HP DV7-4273us with a HD4200/ HD6300 combo.)

Jstn7477 · Jul 9, 2013

ManofGod said:
So, the install never finishes then? The only reason I ask is because, although I was able to get it installed on my machine, it still is concerning. (HP DV7-4273us with a HD4200/ HD6300 combo.)

Yeah, it goes through the whole downloading/black screen with a fish installation/getting ready and at "the end" it BSODs referencing the ati****.sys driver, regardless of whatever driver set I have installed before initiating the upgrade. Right after it BSODs, it of course restarts and rolls back the entire install. I'm surprised I even got Win8 fully working on this hunk of junk.

I think I'll have to pull the drive and run the upgrade on another AMD Phenom system, and then put it back in the laptop and immediately install the drivers that properly work so it doesn't autorepair back to Win8.

Easy Rhino · Jul 9, 2013

To all of those who said AAA gaming on Linux won't happen any time soon and proceeding to act like dicks about it; I present to you this...asshats...

http://www.crytek.com/career/offers/overview/frankfurt/programming-engineering/linux-programmer

Frick · Jul 9, 2013

Easy Rhino said:
To all of those who said AAA gaming on Linux won't happen any time soon and proceeding to act like dicks about it; I present to you this...asshats...

http://www.crytek.com/career/offers/overview/frankfurt/programming-engineering/linux-programmer

A programmer. So by 2020 we'll get native Crysis? :roll:

But seriously, that alone doesn't change anything. Progress is being made, but it's slow and it will not happen any time soon. In time maybe.

Easy Rhino · Jul 10, 2013

Frick said:
A programmer. So by 2020 we'll get native Crysis?

But seriously, that alone doesn't change anything. Progress is being made, but it's slow and it will not happen any time soon. In time maybe.

you will see demo versions of cryengine on linux by 2016. please stay subscribed to this thread so that you can all bow down to me at that time. :pimp:

hellrazor · Jul 10, 2013

Frick said:
A programmer. So by 2020 we'll get native Crysis?

But seriously, that alone doesn't change anything. Progress is being made, but it's slow and it will not happen any time soon. In time maybe.

I don't think that you realize that, aside from the DirectX/OpenGL problem (which is much better solved by the graphics programmers that they already have), you really only need one programmer to do some preprocessor work to wrap certain calls around.

Frick · Jul 10, 2013

Easy Rhino said:
you will see demo versions of cryengine on linux by 2016. please stay subscribed to this thread so that you can all bow down to me at that time.

Demo versions. In 2016. Which is three years away, which on the Internet is an eternity.

Easy Rhino · Jul 10, 2013

Frick said:
Demo versions. In 2016. Which is three years away, which on the Internet is an eternity.

Huh? I don't judge time by "internet" time. 3 years is a very reasonable amount of time to develop/port aspects of cryengine to linux/opengl. people are acting like it is going to take a decade to make any kind of progress where as now it looks like will be playing AAA titles in no time :toast:

eidairaman1 · Jul 12, 2013

Easy Rhino said:
Huh? I don't judge time by "internet" time. 3 years is a very reasonable amount of time to develop/port aspects of cryengine to linux/opengl. people are acting like it is going to take a decade to make any kind of progress where as now it looks like will be playing AAA titles in no time

it be nice if they were implemented at same time as Windows releases are, like back in the day of 98-2000 when 3DFX and S3 were tough competitors with Glide and Open GL, Unreal Tournament, Deus Ex, Counter Strike come to mind.

cdawall · Jul 12, 2013

The one thing that would get me to happily swap to 8.1 is if it offered an XBONE mode. If you could reboot and play any XBONE game you tossed into the blu-ray slot then people would probably be pretty happy buying some copies...

eidairaman1 · Jul 12, 2013

cdawall said:
The one thing that would get me to happily swap to 8.1 is if it offered an XBONE mode. If you could reboot and play any XBONE game you tossed into the blu-ray slot then people would probably be pretty happy buying some copies...

thats what emulators are for, but ms would never do that because people would just buy a computer and say screw the console when the computer does everything

cdawall · Jul 12, 2013

eidairaman1 said:
thats what emulators are for, but ms would never do that because people would just buy a computer and say screw the console when the computer does everything

No one wants their console anyway. :slap:

Heck they could sell a special gaming edition that "unlocked" XBONE mode and no one would complain.

Meizuman · Jul 16, 2013

XP still has better start menu than Vista or 7.

8 looks and feels like an oddity altogether for one that has used 3.1, 95, 98, XP and 7.

Am* · Jul 16, 2013

Can't see anything from this marketing/PR bullshit that gives me a reason to switch. In fact, with my recent digitizer touchscreen laptop purchase, I had the choice between putting Windows 7 or Windows 8 on it and after using W8 on my older laptop for just over half a year, I still decided to stick with Windows 7. The icons are just the right size, even for a touchscreen, all the same power saving features are there, as is TRIM and all the SSD functions which I needed. The closest actual feature to an improvement I saw on this so called "news article" was the texture streaming thing used to render Windows 8's graphical user interface -- this is a non-issue for me anyway since I disable Aero and any other fancy visual effects to save resources on all my Windows 7 machines, regardless of how good my PC/laptop is (I do the same thing with my gaming rig to stop it wasting VRAM).

One thing is for sure -- Microshaft better come up with a REAL successor to Windows Vista, and fast. Yes, I said Vista. Windows 7 was Vista v2.0 (with minor tweaks like TRIM support, upgraded driver stack etc), Windows 8 is Vista v3.0 (with a different interface and slightly better multithreading support). I will NOT buy another excuse of an OS that's merely another service pack for Vista again, regardless of how cheap it will be (the only reason I bought 8 was because it was so cheap). I want an entirely new kernel running in a driverless, fully hardware accelerated environment. Until they do that, they have no chance of ever beating Android, iOS or any other operating systems found on tablets, phones etc and I will have no interest of ever paying them again for another re-hashed operating system.

NdMk2o1o · Jul 16, 2013

Meizuman said:
XP still has better start menu than Vista or 7.

Oh for gods sake get a grip, go run XP and read the forum archives, you'll be happy there :slap:

Aquinus · Jul 17, 2013

Meizuman said:
XP still has better start menu than Vista or 7.

At least in Windows 7 I can hit super (Windows key) and then type "c - h - r" and hit enter and mysteriously Google Chrome opens up. Try doing that on XP.

neliz · Jul 17, 2013

Aquinus said:
At least in Windows 7 I can hit super (Windows key) and then type "c - h - r" and hit enter and mysteriously Google Chrome opens up. Try doing that on XP.

This, the fact that this functionality is nearly identical to the W8, multiple desktop filling start/search menu.. sans the multiple desktop filling part.

I can search while I'm watching some YouTube stuff, try doing that in W8.. unless of course, you have a $1500 PC and you hate multi-tasking, the W8 is great for you.

TheMailMan78 · Jul 17, 2013

neliz said:
This, the fact that this functionality is nearly identical to the W8, multiple desktop filling start/search menu.. sans the multiple desktop filling part.

I can search while I'm watching some YouTube stuff, try doing that in W8.. unless of course, you have a $1500 PC and you hate multi-tasking, the W8 is great for you.

I multi-task fine. Photoshop, Illustrator, Suitcase, iTunes, Steam, Internet, email and teamspeak. I mean honestly its not that hard.

BiggieShady · Jul 17, 2013

Gotta post this here ...

neliz · Jul 18, 2013

BiggieShady said:
Gotta post this here ...

You mean, repost this?

NinkobEi · Jul 18, 2013

BiggieShady said:
Gotta post this here ...
http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-RrTj8nL/0/950x10000/i-RrTj8nL-950x10000.jpg

Kind of misleading. Using any other browser besides IE won't take you to metro. And the folder just opens up my computer for me. In theory if you take time to customize the Metro it would be a lot more efficient. But desktop icons work just fine for me. Maybe I am just an old stubborn bastard who dislikes change. Though not as stubborn as the windows XP (or 2000) community! Those guys should just switch to linux and become hipsters.

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Editorial Windows 8.1, and Why You Should Let Go of Windows 7

AsRock

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johnspack

Here For Good!

Jstn7477

ManofGod

ManofGod

Jstn7477

Easy Rhino

Linux Advocate

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop

Easy Rhino

Linux Advocate

hellrazor

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop

Easy Rhino

Linux Advocate

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman

cdawall

where the hell are my stars

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman

cdawall

where the hell are my stars

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