In my experience, Haswell runs hotter than IB when overclocked so I'd really like to see a trully unbiased side by side comparison. ...Just in case I'm one of those people who can't do it right.
Talk to our cooler reviewer, and how I got his rig stable, and the temp reduction he saw. I am working on MY OC guide, should be done soon. All the writing is done, I just need to make some images and run some tests to show performance increase from OC, then our editor needs to have a go at it, and then with W1zz's approval, it'll go on the front page.
And yes, overall, Haswell is a bit hotter, but that's for good reason...same process as IVB, but greater functionality. However, both chips are 95W designs. It's not under OC that it is hotter...it is OVERALL it is a bit hotter...twice the IGP, plus the integrated VRM have had their effect, but it is not as bad as I see most relating, IMHO.
Not really relevant. That's a single GPU vs running two GPUs. I do agree that PCIe link width is important, but I see very negligible differences in x16/x16 PCIe 2.0 vs x8/x8 PCIe 3.0. It is more than possible to test this on SB-E, which I did. AMD only offers PCIe 2.0 while Intel offer 3.0, and 3.0 is nearly twice as "fast" as 2.0, so x8 3.0 = x16 2.0.
Some say the 8350 is better at gaming and streaming:
AMD FX 8350 vs Intel 3570K vs 3770K vs 3820 - Gami...
Simply put, I just relate my experiences. Since I do the motherboard and memory reviews for TPU, I have no choice but to make sure that what I report is what any user can replicate using the same parts. I pride myself on this, in fact. TPU is one of few sites using retail Haswell chips for reviews, since that's what end users get. Many other sites are using ES chips, and there has been much discussion about the differences with ES/non-ES this time around. I have had all of those chips, plus Haswell, and the FM2 chips. My opinion of Haswell is based purely on retail samples, and I've had no problems getting 4.6 GHz out of all 12 chips I have had in my possession over the past 8 weeks.
My personal rig uses 3960X ES.
My memory testing rig is based on 4770K
My AMD rig is based on 8350.
My HTPC is a A10-6800K.
My bench rig is a 3570K.
They all have their purpose, and they all fit quite well in pricing when comparing one against the other. Haswell is EXACTLY as I expected, and so, is not disappointing to me. This opinion I have differs from most, but at the same time, I don't do this for profit, I do it for fun. I don't care who is better than who, and I don't care what products users spend their money on. I just provide info that is verifiable so that readers can make educated choices. And I see many many uneducated opinions getting tossed around by people without the hardware(not saying you fall into that category, just that my opinion differs often).
