New $1100 PC Build

[Fourstaff]

All I am going to say is that he has a budget to make a solid Haswell build, so unless he can get Ivy bridge parts for far cheaper then what they are new retail then maybe it would be worthwhile, but IMO if you are building a new system from scratch go with the most current, and best stuff you can. That's how I look at it, and I don't care if you all don't agree.

Always nice to have the lastest and the greatest, but sometimes we need to take a back seat look for bang for buck. IVB+Motherboard is about £50-100 cheaper than Haswell+mobo here, a significant chunk in a $1100 build.

 

[drdeathx]

Always nice to have the lastest and the greatest, but sometimes we need to take a back seat look for bang for buck. IVB+Motherboard is about £50-100 cheaper than Haswell+mobo here, a significant chunk in a $1100 build.

Agreed, That was the point I was making too....

All I am going to say is that he has a budget to make a solid Haswell build, so unless he can get Ivy bridge parts for far cheaper then what they are new retail then maybe it would be worthwhile, but IMO if you are building a new system from scratch go with the most current, and best stuff you can. That's how I look at it, and I don't care if you all don't agree.

Speaking for myself, I don't agree cause of the budget and I think Fourstaff does not either. For no real world performance gains which he will not notice, the platform will be less expensive freeing up money for a better GPU seeing gaming is one of his pre-requisites. it again is called: Smart money and getting the best bang for the buck. I don't think your getting it. On an unlimited budget, yes current platform would be my choice with Haswell.

 

[LAN_deRf_HA]

Yeah I just don't see it working to get you everything you want at that price without going used.

Example:

Cpu/board combo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1385950

RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231656

DVD drive - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289

PSU - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00918MEZG/?tag=extension-kb-20

Card - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DJTSX3K/?tag=extension-kb-20

HDD - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005T3GRN2/?tag=extension-kb-20

SSD - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009NHAEXE/?tag=extension-kb-20

Case - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00D78Q2DQ/?tag=extension-kb-20

That's around $1300. Go Ivy and go used and you can get a lot more bang for your buck.

 

[drdeathx]

Yeah I just don't see it working to get you everything you want at that price without going used.

Example:

Cpu/board combo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1385950

RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231656

DVD drive - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289

PSU - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00918MEZG/?tag=extension-kb-20

Card - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DJTSX3K/?tag=extension-kb-20

HDD - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005T3GRN2/?tag=extension-kb-20

SSD - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009NHAEXE/?tag=extension-kb-20

Case - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00D78Q2DQ/?tag=extension-kb-20

That's around $1300. Go Ivy and go used and you can get a lot more bang for your buck.

Great point. I just hate putting these things together. Good job.....

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Alright, I did a build and its just under $1100, but without the OS

But OP, do you need monitor, mouse and keyboard, etc. ?????????

 

[RCoon]

Agreed, That was the point I was making too....



Speaking for myself, I don't agree cause of the budget and I think Fourstaff does not either. For no real world performance gains which he will not notice, the platform will be less expensive freeing up money for a better GPU seeing gaming is one of his pre-requisites. it again is called: Smart money and getting the best bang for the buck. I don't think your getting it. On an unlimited budget, yes current platform would be my choice with Haswell.

Couldnt agree more. People go on and on about how Z77 is a dead socket. News flash, Z87 was a dead socket the day it came out. Nothing more than Haswell is going to be released for it. In terms of bang for buck, the difference between the 3 and 4 670k and 770k is negligible. If one option saves money for more important parts in a build that improve gaming, then its a no brainer.

Always get an SSD in an expensive build, its like bread and butter. Always get the best single GPU you can afford instead of half-assing it for sli/xfire sooner rather than later.

In other topics, I have yet to find a game where an 8350 equipped with a top end GPU generates less frames than an intel with a top end GPU (Singular), besides RTS games. I'm on 144hz, and my 8350 was capable of generating just as many frames as the 3570k, in 90% of games (the exceptions being Starcraft II etc).
There's far too much elitist snobbery around the CPU debate, its a bitter taste.

 

[ChaoticG8R]

Speaking for myself, I don't agree cause of the budget and I think Fourstaff does not either. For no real world performance gains which he will not notice, the platform will be less expensive freeing up money for a better GPU seeing gaming is one of his pre-requisites. it again is called: Smart money and getting the best bang for the buck. I don't think your getting it. On an unlimited budget, yes current platform would be my choice with Haswell.

Speaking for myself, the price difference between Haswell and Ivy is relatively minor. Why go a generation back to spare $30 here (cpu) and there(mobo). Unless you are going used and getting a well "conditioned" piece of hardware, there is no reason not to go Haswell. If you think that $60 is going to make a large difference in a "better" GPU...then spend an extra $60 and just get the "better" GPU instead of unnecessarily crippling yourself at the starting point.

 

[RCoon]

Speaking for myself, the price difference between Haswell and Ivy is relatively minor. Why go a generation back to spare $30 here (cpu) and there(mobo). Unless you are going used and getting a well "conditioned" piece of hardware, there is no reason not to go Haswell. If you think that $60 is going to make a large difference in a "better" GPU...then spend an extra $60 and just get the "better" GPU instead of unnecessarily crippling yourself at the starting point.

Please show me gaming evidence where a 3770k is CRIPPLING compared to a 4770k.
Protip. You cant. Both will achieve 60FPS.

SO CRIPPLING MAN.

 

[ChaoticG8R]

Please show me gaming evidence where a 3770k is CRIPPLING compared to a 4770k.
Protip. You cant. Both will achieve 60FPS.

Let me show you first here: RCoon doesn't have anything to back up his blanket statements link

Let me show you through you only being able to run 2 SATA III drives instead of up to 6.

Let me show you through the power savings you get from Z87/Haswell.

Let me show you through better memory support.

Why be an obvious troll? Saving $60 by downgrading platform is unnecessarily CRIPPLING a brand new build. I think its pretty nice that Haswell has been relatively cheap for starting fresh. Hes not upgrading from Ivy or Sandy to Haswell...then I would be harping on the same comments you naysayers have been providing, but it's not.

SO CRIPPLING MAN.

You mad?

Maybe read what the OP wants:

So yeah, I want to build an $1100 PC that I will mainly use for gaming, tons of multitasking, school, VMs, and a bit of Linux.

Oh...so maybe there is something a CPU can help with besides gaming. And perhaps, since gaming performance of CPUs hasn't really changed since the 2500k, you could perhaps focus on the OP instead of trolling.

 

[LAN_deRf_HA]

You're kinda weirding me out. You're calling him a troll because you have an extremely warped view of Haswell's value. That's your personal issue, not his. And idk where you're getting $60 from. You can get pretty good combo deals on forums from tweakers who went on to haswell. I'd say the savings are closer to $150.

 

[ChaoticG8R]

You're kinda weirding me out. You're calling him a troll because you have an extremely warped view of Haswell's value. That's your personal issue, not his. And idk where you're getting $60 from. You can get pretty good combo deals on forums from tweakers who went on to haswell. I'd say the savings are closer to $150.

Well, I didn't go capitalizing and making certain words bold trying to call people out. I simply replied, and was attempted to be trolled. So I retorted properly. I like how I have the "extremely warped view of Haswell", rather than the realist view of Haswell.


Microcenter 3770k - $250
Microcenter 4770k - $280

So this is hard, 280-250 = $30. Best wishes on the GED.

 

[Fourstaff]

Let me show you first here: RCoon doesn't have anything to back up his blanket statements link

Let me show you through you only being able to run 2 SSDs instead of up to 6.

Let me show you through the power savings you get from Z87/Haswell.

Let me show you through better memory support.

Why be an obvious troll? Saving $60 by downgrading platform is unnecessarily CRIPPLING a brand new build. I think its pretty nice that Haswell has been relatively cheap for starting fresh. Hes not upgrading from Ivy or Sandy to Haswell...then I would be harping on the same comments you naysayers have been providing, but it's not.

You mad?

Maybe read what the OP wants:


Oh...so maybe there is something a CPU can help with besides gaming. And perhaps, since gaming performance of CPUs hasn't really changed since the 2500k, you could perhaps focus on the OP instead of trolling.

Perhaps you can try fitting a Haswell build and report back if you can fit budget. If not I am afraid going IVB to save that few cents will need to be done regardless of whether we like it or not.

No average user will run 2 SSDs, let alone 6. I am usually the first one harping about power savings, but you can see that I haven't been saying much on that, because there is not much savings you can make:http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-4770k-haswell-review,3521-18.html. Better memory support means nothing when everything peters off after 1866.

3770K/4770K's price difference is not much, but when overclocking the 4770K requires a better board and cooler, whereas you can use the cheapest Z77 board for IVB and get 4+ Ghz easy with 212 EVO.

So do we need VT-X offered by the non K parts?

 

[mandis]

As far as parts preference goes, I prefer to use a Haswell CPU (not Ivy Bridge since that's a dead upgrade path), but I might let an 8350 slide. I don't really want to use 990fx because the mobos don't have all the bells and whistles Z87 has (PCI-E 3, more USB 3, I'm really paranoid about features, but that's just me.)

Haswell is not intel's high end platform and so some features are actually a bit limited. With the top of the line Z87 chipset you cannot really build a proper SLI/CFire configuration as it only supports 1 × PCIe 3.0 ×16 lanes & 1 x PCIe 2.0 x8 lanes. This is the maximum amount of bandwidth the CPU can offer.

The 990FX on the other hand offers Four physical PCIe 2.0 ×16 slots @ x8 electrical which can be combined to create two PCIe 2.0 ×16 slots @ x16 electrical, one PCIe 2.0 ×4 slot and two PCIe 2.0 ×1 slots, the chipset provides a total of 38 PCIe 2.0 lanes and 4 PCIe 2.0 for A-Link Express III solely in the Northbridge

Anyway, I will be overclocking to around ~4.5-4.6 Ghz.

Haswell is around 10°C-15°C hotter than Ivy Bridge when overclocked and does not seem to break the 4.4-4.5 GHz mark nearly as easily.

 

[cadaveca]

Haswell is around 10°C-15°C hotter than Ivy Bridge when overclocked and does not seem to break the 4.4-4.5 GHz mark nearly as easily.

10c-15c is an exaggeration. Those high temp increases are more due to people leaving settings on auto, and not manually tweaking everything. Setting up Haswell right can lead to about a 30c reduction in temps(depending on board used).


Many users right now have great chips, but boards are set with auto rules that are for the worst-case chips, so have many voltages and such set far higher than they need to be. Users are not familiar with these settings, so do not realize exactly what is going on, and current OC guides don't help that much, in my opinion. Of course, I have more experience with Haswell than nearly anyone else.

Haswell is not intel's high end platform and so some features are actually a bit limited. With the top of the line Z87 chipset you cannot really build a proper SLI/CFire configuration as it only supports 1 × PCIe 3.0 ×16 lanes & 1 x PCIe 2.0 x8 lanes. This is the maximum amount of bandwidth the CPU can offer.

The 990FX on the other hand offers Four physical PCIe 2.0 ×16 slots @ x8 electrical which can be combined to create two PCIe 2.0 ×16 slots @ x16 electrical, one PCIe 2.0 ×4 slot and two PCIe 2.0 ×1 slots, the chipset provides a total of 38 PCIe 2.0 lanes and 4 PCIe 2.0 for A-Link Express III solely in the Northbridge

SLI and Corssfire with dual VGAs on Z87 is no different than P67 or Z77. More than two VGAs, yes, Intel's entry-level sockets are not that great, and yes, Haswell is NOT Intel's high-performance platform. However, at the same time, INte;s high perforamcne platform gets it's added performance via added CPU cores, not by actual speed that most users here would really benefit from. Haswell vs skt 2011 is basically no different than buying a 4670 vs a 4770.

BTW, I see 8350 about 15-30% slower than Intel. ANd yes, I have both chip, and I used to call myself AMD's #1 fanboy. AMD just cannot compete with Intel right now, but at the same time, AMD is cheaper, so that's not that big of a deal.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Well OP never got back to me. soooooo heres my build

NZXT Source 210 S210-001 Black “Aluminum Brush / Plastic” ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

EVGA 02G-P4-2763-KR GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support w/ EVGA ACX Cooler Video Card

SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold ((SS-650KM Active PFC F3)) 650W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD ...

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9D-8GBXL

MSI Z87-G45 Gaming LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Pro Gaming with Killer Networking & Sound Blaster Intel ...

Intel Core i5-4670K Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I54670K

SAMSUNG 840 Series MZ-7TD120BW 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

Without OS this came out to ~$1056. And ill post a build with OS in a bit.

 

[drdeathx]

Let me show you first here: RCoon doesn't have anything to back up his blanket statements link

Let me show you through you only being able to run 2 SATA III drives instead of up to 6.

Let me show you through the power savings you get from Z87/Haswell.

Let me show you through better memory support.

Why be an obvious troll? Saving $60 by downgrading platform is unnecessarily CRIPPLING a brand new build. I think its pretty nice that Haswell has been relatively cheap for starting fresh. Hes not upgrading from Ivy or Sandy to Haswell...then I would be harping on the same comments you naysayers have been providing, but it's not.



You mad?

Maybe read what the OP wants:


Oh...so maybe there is something a CPU can help with besides gaming. And perhaps, since gaming performance of CPUs hasn't really changed since the 2500k, you could perhaps focus on the OP instead of trolling.

I would suggest that you read his pre-requisites. He is not on an open budget. He said $1100 and the extra $ can be applied to other areas. Why argue a moot point. The OP surely knows Haswell is current technlogy and is slightly better. At this junction, we could probably put some builds togetther for him to give him options. Power saving is all bullshit. the money saved over a year would be like $10 in power comsumption besides, that was NOt one of the pre-requisites. If he was concerned about power consumption, we would be talking i3. Haswell is the same intro price as Ivy when it was introduced....


in closing, if the OP lives by a Microcenter, he can get a Inybridge 15 or i7 in the $200-$239 range.

 

[drdeathx]

Well OP never got back to me. soooooo heres my build



Without OS this came out to ~$1056. And ill post a build with OS in a bit.

LOL, using IvyBridge and adding $50 will get him a GTX 770. So funny, the 770 spanks the 760....... So $1100 can get him Z77 board/3770k PLUS A gtx 770 IS A NO BRAINER.

 

[mandis]

10c-15c is an exaggeration. Those high temp increases are more due to people leaving settings on auto, and not manually tweaking everything. Setting up Haswell right can lead to about a 30c reduction in temps(depending on board used).

In my experience, Haswell runs hotter than IB when overclocked so I'd really like to see a trully unbiased side by side comparison. ...Just in case I'm one of those people who can't do it right.

SLI and Corssfire with dual VGAs on Z87 is no different than P67 or Z77. More than two VGAs, yes, Intel's entry-level sockets are not that great, and yes, Haswell is NOT Intel's high-performance platform. However, at the same time, INte;s high perforamcne platform gets it's added performance via added CPU cores, not by actual speed that most users here would really benefit from. Haswell vs skt 2011 is basically no different than buying a 4670 vs a 4770.

It's a bit old but still quite relevant: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pcie-geforce-gtx-480-x16-x8-x4,2696-5.html

BTW, I see 8350 about 15-30% slower than Intel. ANd yes, I have both chip, and I used to call myself AMD's #1 fanboy. AMD just cannot compete with Intel right now, but at the same time, AMD is cheaper, so that's not that big of a deal.

Some say the 8350 is better at gaming and streaming: AMD FX 8350 vs Intel 3570K vs 3770K vs 3820 - Gami...

 

[drdeathx]

In my experience, Haswell runs hotter than IB when overclocked so I'd really like to see a trully unbiased side by side comparison. ...Just in case I'm one of those people who can't do it right.



It's a bit old but still quite relevant: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pcie-geforce-gtx-480-x16-x8-x4,2696-5.html




Some say the 8350 is better at gaming and streaming: AMD FX 8350 vs Intel 3570K vs 3770K vs 3820 - Gami...

I am gonna say, $1100 ain't gonna be done with 3770K, 4770K with the entire package plus operating system. FX-8350 may push it too

 

[cadaveca]

In my experience, Haswell runs hotter than IB when overclocked so I'd really like to see a trully unbiased side by side comparison. ...Just in case I'm one of those people who can't do it right.

Talk to our cooler reviewer, and how I got his rig stable, and the temp reduction he saw. I am working on MY OC guide, should be done soon. All the writing is done, I just need to make some images and run some tests to show performance increase from OC, then our editor needs to have a go at it, and then with W1zz's approval, it'll go on the front page.

And yes, overall, Haswell is a bit hotter, but that's for good reason...same process as IVB, but greater functionality. However, both chips are 95W designs. It's not under OC that it is hotter...it is OVERALL it is a bit hotter...twice the IGP, plus the integrated VRM have had their effect, but it is not as bad as I see most relating, IMHO.

It's a bit old but still quite relevant: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pcie-geforce-gtx-480-x16-x8-x4,2696-5.html

Not really relevant. That's a single GPU vs running two GPUs. I do agree that PCIe link width is important, but I see very negligible differences in x16/x16 PCIe 2.0 vs x8/x8 PCIe 3.0. It is more than possible to test this on SB-E, which I did. AMD only offers PCIe 2.0 while Intel offer 3.0, and 3.0 is nearly twice as "fast" as 2.0, so x8 3.0 = x16 2.0.

Some say the 8350 is better at gaming and streaming: AMD FX 8350 vs Intel 3570K vs 3770K vs 3820 - Gami...

Simply put, I just relate my experiences. Since I do the motherboard and memory reviews for TPU, I have no choice but to make sure that what I report is what any user can replicate using the same parts. I pride myself on this, in fact. TPU is one of few sites using retail Haswell chips for reviews, since that's what end users get. Many other sites are using ES chips, and there has been much discussion about the differences with ES/non-ES this time around. I have had all of those chips, plus Haswell, and the FM2 chips. My opinion of Haswell is based purely on retail samples, and I've had no problems getting 4.6 GHz out of all 12 chips I have had in my possession over the past 8 weeks.


My personal rig uses 3960X ES.
My memory testing rig is based on 4770K
My AMD rig is based on 8350.
My HTPC is a A10-6800K.
My bench rig is a 3570K.


They all have their purpose, and they all fit quite well in pricing when comparing one against the other. Haswell is EXACTLY as I expected, and so, is not disappointing to me. This opinion I have differs from most, but at the same time, I don't do this for profit, I do it for fun. I don't care who is better than who, and I don't care what products users spend their money on. I just provide info that is verifiable so that readers can make educated choices. And I see many many uneducated opinions getting tossed around by people without the hardware(not saying you fall into that category, just that my opinion differs often).

 

[ThE_MaD_ShOt]

Guy's, op did say if going intel he will rather go with a Haswell chip. So the op's preference, and who is build the rig and buying parts for it is no Sb/or Ib. Either Haswell or Fx8350.

Just saying.

 

[ne6togadno]

 

[BarbaricSoul]

4770k/GTX 760/Z87mb including OS, and a very good AIO cooler for the CPU $1122

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1jtdS

Only thing it's missing is a SSD, which is not essential for this build. Boot and program loading times are not really that big a deal. The OP can add a SSD later on when they can afford it.

 

[Fourstaff]

Well OP never got back to me. soooooo heres my build

Without OS this came out to ~$1056. And ill post a build with OS in a bit.

Missing cooler and OS, and SSD is rather small. First 2 are big problems, small SSD can be a non issue. Well done fitting everything in

 

[drdeathx]

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=51967&stc=1&d=1374522350

No case or operting system

Missing cooler and OS, and SSD is rather small. First 2 are big problems, small SSD can be a non issue. Well done fitting everything in

yup but missing parts

$1110 will not cut it. Gonna have to go a tad over $1100 perhaps $1200