AMD Opens New Global Design Centre in Hyderabad

[Nabarun]

You didn't say they were less capable though.

He said that right at the start. About us not having the right caliber. But I'm given to understand that he is not normally like this. So, like I said, let's end it right here.

 

[de.das.dude]

I did read that particular post carefully, and that was sort of what you said. The westerners do the complex tasks, the indians (or whatever they might be) do the easy stuff. You didn't say they were less capable though.

You, Nabarun, are taking the price for stupidity though. Calling people Hitler is not productive in any way.

In short I have no idea why you are arguing. They are opening a design centre in Hyderabad. That is good. End?

lol thats ripe stuff

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I did read that particular post carefully, and that was sort of what you said. The westerners do the complex tasks, the indians (or whatever they might be) do the easy stuff. You didn't say they were less capable though.

Corporations are not going to pay someone in one country $40k and someone in another country $20k to do the same job if they can help it. The cost of living differences dictate that it must happen (e.g. both locations need janitors). In order for a corporation to see value in keeping the more expensive location open, they need to see results to match the extra cost or they're going to move. Experience weighs heavily on that.

I don't know if AMD is cutting any more staff with the opening of this facility. If they aren't, that means AMD is growing which is good for everyone (except Intel and NVIDIA).

 

[Nabarun]

Get some rest, dude. I quit. Now I will be pondering over the "Golden Rule of Prog..." After that I will be delivering IM injections and SC saline to some of my cats who are suffering from nephritis. I recently had to euthanize one. They need me. So I quit. You win. I quit. TaTA

 

[Frick]

He said that right at the start. About us not having the right caliber. But I'm given to understand that he is not normally like this. So, like I said, let's end it right here.

Hooboy he is like this. It's his thing. He has facts (or think he does have facts anyway) and then he will not budge, and you end up talking about different things. Sometimes he's good, often he's just plain annoying and sometimes he extrapolates. Discussing with him is like talking to an autistic wall.

Get some rest, dude. I quit. Now I will be pondering over the "Golden Rule of Prog..." After that I will be delivering IM injections and SC saline to some of my cats who are suffering from nephritis. I recently had to euthanize one. They need me. So I quit. You win. I quit. TaTA

It was fun seeing someone insulting him though. I have said horrible things to him in the past, now I just can't bring myself to care, generally.

Corporations are not going to pay someone in one country $40k and someone in another country $20k to do the same job if they can help it. The cost of living differences dictate that it must happen (e.g. both locations need janitors). In order for a corporation to see value in keeping the more expensive location open, they need to see results to match the extra cost or they're going to move. Experience weighs heavily on that.

I don't know if AMD is cutting any more staff with the opening of this facility. If they aren't, that means AMD is growing which is good for everyone (except Intel and NVIDIA).

It's more than that, you have the cost of relocating, the benefits they get from that country to stay (tax breaks for instance, didn't New York do that not to long ago?), publicity and so on. In the end it is money, obviously, but there several paths that lead to that money.

 

[Dent1]

They do that so there is less downtime in researching. They do 8-10 hour shifts in the USA/Canada then source another 8-10 hour shift on the other side of the planet. It increases research pace by 50-80% which means keeping up/getting ahead of the competition.

Come on its to save money. If money wasn't a factor they'll just hire their USA/Canadian labour to work nights when the USA/Canadian day labours clock off.

It's really no different from using call centers in India to handle the night-load when no one in USA/Canada wants to work. It's smart business practice, even if it isn't the most optimal. Case in point: the high skill in engineering comes from the people in the design department. They stamp out the framework for how it is going to work and likely have to work on many components of that but, for every complicated task only a handful of people can do, there's a dozen other tasks almost anyone with a basic understanding of the subject can do. The people in the "West" do the former and while they're away from work, the people in "East" do the latter. The people in the "East" are doing tasks that are too expensive in the "West." The relationship is mutually beneficial but the majority of the high skill laborers are still in the "West."

Don't you think there are high skilled non-Americans working in America as high skilled engineers?

IBM gets credit because it owns the IP. IBM is a US corporation.

Exactly. Which proves my point.

An American firm can hire Indian or foreign labour and still praise the credit.

Corporations are not going to pay someone in one country $40k and someone in another country $20k to do the same job if they can help it. The cost of living differences dictate that it must happen (e.g. both locations need janitors). In order for a corporation to see value in keeping the more expensive location open, they need to see results to match the extra cost or they're going to move. Experience weighs heavily on that.

I don't know if AMD is cutting any more staff with the opening of this facility. If they aren't, that means AMD is growing which is good for everyone (except Intel and NVIDIA).

Yes they would.

Because corporations hire people in the thousands to tens of thousands, saving of 20k per year for 10,000 people is a significant saving. And if the labour is 20k in Asia for the locals is big money in their currency, so it's win/win. There is less pressure as far as tax obligations, maintaining good working conditions, working hours, paying health insurance, giving competitive bonuses and other basic necessities expected by American Citizens.

I'd think one of the many reasons American companies don't move their entire operation to say China is because they need one foot in a proper democracy. For example if Apple completely relocated to China they'd have no protection as far as intellectual property as copyright laws are not respected and enforced. As well as quality control, legal protection, transportation issues, weak currency issues etc.

 

[itsakjt]

2 years more and I am coming with my CV.

NOTE: While most of the Indian students are too much bookish, many of them have the finest brains. Also academic performance is not everything. So if AMD checks the skills and knowledge, smartness besides marks of the students and then recruits them, then we Indians will surely make AMD shine.

Also this is a good advantage for us. All these years, we didn't have ANY MAJOR semiconductor industry in India. Now that AMD is coming, things can change.
Very good news. I will deliver my best to be there. Wish me luck everyone.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Don't you think there are high skilled non-Americans working in America as high skilled engineers?

Of course. That's why we (and most countries) have work visas and foreign exchange student programs. XD

 

[Nabarun]

2 years more and I am coming with my CV.

NOTE: While most of the Indian students are too much bookish, many of them have the finest brains. Also academic performance is not everything. So if AMD checks the skills and knowledge, smartness besides marks of the students and then recruits them, then we Indians will surely make AMD shine.

Also this is a good advantage for us. All these years, we didn't have ANY MAJOR semiconductor industry in India. Now that AMD is coming, things can change.
Very good news. I will deliver my best to be there. Wish me luck everyone.

This isn't the first one. AMD has another one in Bangalore. Good luck.

Of course. That's why we (and most countries) have work visas and foreign exchange student programs. XD

Most under-developed "third world" countries do too. But what's the point? Didn't have enough of this ?

 

[Prima.Vera]

Guys relax. I can understand the frustration of the US guys because recently all big corporations are only opening fabs outside the US. This means less jobs for the US citizens and even less income for the country. All the moneys instead of going to US are going to countries like China, India, Taiwan, Mexic, etc. This is extremely bad for the US economy, one with the biggest domestic and foreign debt in the world.

 

[Nabarun]

Guys relax. I can understand the frustration of the US guys because recently all big corporations are only opening fabs outside the US. This means less jobs for the US citizens and even less income for the country. All the moneys instead of going to US are going to countries like China, India, Taiwan, Mexic, etc. This is extremely bad for the US economy, one with the biggest domestic and foreign debt in the world.

That is not quite accurate. The big US giants can only afford to invest overseas because they already have enough capital to do so from their business at home. The more profit they make, the bigger they become, and this in turn means more income for their homeland (although many are opposed to Obama's tax theories... they just wanna crush the poor and keep making money without paying any substantial tax.) But the thing is, THIS is capitalism and open market. US are the biggest sponsors of this. And this policy doesn't just apply to manufacturing and design labs - it applies equally to their Wall Mart/McDonald's/... etc etc. They just don't want to see that. And some are just plain stupid.

 

[Prima.Vera]

And this policy doesn't just apply to manufacturing and design labs - it applies equally to their Wall Mart/McDonald's/... etc etc. They just don't want to see that. And some are just plain stupid.

You're confusing franchises for branch factories...

Outsourcet jobs means less jobs in the homeland, taxes payed in the country where the factory operates, while the profit is exclusively to the Company (not sure 100% about this thou...).

 

[Nabarun]

No, I am not confused. I am saying that if they have no problem with those, then they shouldn't have problems with these either. Americans don't seem to complain about all the Asian companies' US branches, do they? What about all these PC hw manufacturers who are almost all Asian, but have similar factories/centers in the US? What about the camera manufacturers? Just think of all the major electronics brands - almost ALL are Asian. Americans never think that they are robbing Asian jobs/money, do they? I think I am far from confused.

 

[Dent1]

Guys relax. I can understand the frustration of the US guys because recently all big corporations are only opening fabs outside the US. This means less jobs for the US citizens and even less income for the country. All the moneys instead of going to US are going to countries like China, India, Taiwan, Mexic, etc. This is extremely bad for the US economy, one with the biggest domestic and foreign debt in the world.

You're confusing franchises for branch factories...

Outsourcet jobs means less jobs in the homeland, taxes payed in the country where the factory operates, while the profit is exclusively to the Company (not sure 100% about this thou...).

This is only true if the factory was once in USA but shutdown and migrates offshore. Then jobs are lost

But if an American based company sets up factories offshore to begin with then there is no impact on current jobs for US Citizens.

By cutting costs with offshore labour will allow for the company to grow in revenue, net worth, stock prices etc. This means they'll pay more tax domestically and offshore overall. The company would be in a better position to maintain and expand its remaining infrastructure in the USA thus creating new job opportunities too.

No, I am not confused. I am saying that if they have no problem with those, then they shouldn't have problems with these either. Americans don't seem to complain about all the Asian companies' US branches, do they? What about all these PC hw manufacturers who are almost all Asian, but have similar factories/centers in the US? What about the camera manufacturers? Just think of all the major electronics brands - almost ALL are Asian. Americans never think that they are robbing Asian jobs/money, do they? I think I am far from confused.

Very true, plenty of Taiwanese, Chinese, Hong Kong and other South-East Asian technology companies whom have migrated to USA. American Citizens are happy to accept their jobs and income tax but pull hissy fits when American companies migrate to Asia. Double standards.

 

[Nabarun]

plenty of Taiwanese, Chinese, Hong Kong and other South-East Asian technology companies whom have migrated to USA. American Citizens are happy to accept their jobs and income tax but pull hissy fits when American companies migrate to Asia. Double standards.

You forgot Japan and Korea
And I think Hong Kong is part of China since 1997 (Well, it was originally theirs to begin with, but the Brits took it for a while... )

 

[Dent1]

You forgot Japan and Korea
And I think Hong Kong is part of China since 1999 (Well, it was originally theirs to begin with, but the Brits took it for a while... )

I said "and other South-East Asian technology companies" so that includes Japan, Korea, Philippines, Thailand etc

China and Hong Kong are two different countries with different laws, language, culture, currency and government. It shares a boarder with China, Shenzen. HK Citizens are mostly of Chinese decent. On paper I guess it belongs to China but in practice China has no control over the country.

A good example is in China it's illegal to protest. But protesters often go to HK where they're protected by their governments free speech laws.

 

[Nabarun]

You are technically correct about the companies, but I was just saying that Japan and Korea usually come first to mind when thinking about electronics And yes, Hong Kong is different from the mainland for obvious reasons, but it's part of China. It does have some bs "special powers", but Chinese it is. Not different countries

 

[Dent1]

You are technically correct about the companies, but I was just saying that Japan and Korea usually come first to mind when thinking about electronics And yes, Hong Kong is different from the mainland for obvious reasons, but it's part of China. It does have some bs "special powers", but Chinese it is. Not different countries

Believe me they operate as two different countries. China is a partial communist, HK is a proper democracy.

Crimes which would get you locked up in China for life or sentenced to death or kidnapped is 100% accepted in HK. For example in China Buddhist Monks are harassed and beaten by the police daily, Government controls the news and internet and blocks certain social media, whereas in HK their government is liberal and accepting.

It's not BS powers, If China breaks the Treaty, they'll risk starting a war with Britain and it's allies and they'll be shutdown my the United Nations. They don't want that headache.

 

[Nabarun]

This talk is now moving way from the topic. But let me assure you - HK is Chinese and Britain will NEVER attack China. Not for HK. Not for ANYTHING! Although if there is an ongoing war, they may just tag along, but because they would have little choice. And the UN is basically US. They are just business partners. And China is no Sudan. So, war, shutdown etc these will only happen in discussions like these - not in real life.
Now, all those things you said about HK's governance are fine. But at the end of the day, HK is a city in China. It's an island outside the mainland, but it's Chinese nonetheless.

 

[Dent1]

This talk is now moving way from the topic. But let me assure you - HK is Chinese and Britain will NEVER attack China. Not for HK. Not for ANYTHING! Although if there is an ongoing war, they may just tag along, but because they would have little choice. And the UN is basically US. They are just business partners. And China is no Sudan. So, war, shutdown etc these will only happen in discussions like these - not in real life.
Now, all those things you said about HK's governance are fine. But at the end of the day, HK is a city in China. It's an island outside the mainland, but it's Chinese nonetheless.

Britain wouldn't successfully attack China because starting a war is difficulty. There would be empty threats from politicians on both sides. Plenty of mediation and UN intervention etc.

Also there is a lot of trade of goods between China and Britain, more importantly a lot of trade between China and European Union. China wouldn't risk upsetting the treaty and messing up their economy.

USA have already threatened Military action against China and Russia for different reasons, any disruption with Hong Kong with give them the perfect excuse to go in, especially after China threatened war on Japan whom USA are militarily responsible for.

Hong Kong isn't just a city in China. I've given you plenty of examples of how their independent countries, it's only fair you give one example to justifies your statement.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Britain wouldn't successfully attack China because starting a war is difficulty. There would be empty threats from politicians on both sides. Plenty of mediation and UN intervention etc.

Also there is a lot of trade of goods between China and Britain, more importantly a lot of trade between China and European Union. China wouldn't risk upsetting the treaty and messing up their economy.

USA have already threatened Military action against China and Russia for different reasons, any disruption with Hong Kong with give them the perfect excuse to go in, especially after China threatened war on Japan whom USA are militarily responsible for.

Hong Kong isn't a city in China. I've given you plenty of examples of how their independent countries, it's only fair you give one example to justifies your statement.

Jees where the hell have you taken a thread about a building , so effin what world wide expansion into expanding markets is wise and good .. .....

 

[Nabarun]

Britain wouldn't successfully attack China because starting a war is difficulty. There would be empty threats from politicians on both sides. Plenty of mediation and UN intervention etc.

Also there is a lot of trade of goods between China and Britain, more importantly a lot of trade between China and European Union. China wouldn't risk upsetting the treaty and messing up their economy.

Hong Kong isn't a city in China. I've given you plenty of examples of how their independent countries, it's only fair you give one example to justifies your statement.

Sure man!
1. Google,
2. Wikipedia,
If you read this thoroughly and yet have doubts, then open another thread.
3. If the above two are too much to read, then here is a list of Chinese cities.

 

[Dent1]

Sure man!
1. Google,
2. Wikipedia,
If you read this thoroughly and yet have doubts, then open another thread.
3. If the above two are too much to read, then here is a list of Chinese cities.

That link is according to People's Republic of China. If China said HK was a mountain or a desert island surrounded by water it wouldn't mean it's true.

China is bitter it lost HK, even when Britain owned it China still considered it "theirs". To take HK off their list would be to prove they lost. Chinese people have too much pride for that.

You've proven it's a city within China, according to the People's Republic of China. But you haven't proven that HK doesn't operate as a different country.

 

[Nabarun]

Oh, come on, man! What link is Chinese? Google or Wikipedia? I cannot prove HK is a country because it is not. It is a Special Administrative Zone inside China. If you cannot believe Google or Wikipedia, my only suggestion would be that you contact the United Nations. Now, I really don't care whether HK is Chinese or African or Martian, so, I'm gonna stop replying to this thread, because at this point as we Bengalis say, "The Story's Cow Has Climbed The Tree". Please have a GR8 day. I'm gonna try to take a very urgent nap right now, and try not to dream about WW3

 

[Dent1]

Oh, come on, man! What link is Chinese? Google or Wikipedia? I cannot prove HK is a country because it is not. It is a Special Administrative Zone inside China. If you cannot believe Google or Wikipedia, my only suggestion would be that you contact the United Nations. Now, I really don't care whether HK is Chinese or African or Martian, so, I'm gonna stop replying to this thread, because at this point as we Bengalis say, "The Story's Cow Has Climbed The Tree". Please have a GR8 day. I'm gonna try to take a very urgent nap right now, and try not to dream about WW3

No you're going to stop replying because you know what you're saying ignorant.

Opinion polls of Hong Kongers show that the majority of HK Citizens consider Hong Kong as a independent country and want to keep it that way. Citizens feel their nationality is Hong Kong first and Chinese second. If you call a Hong Konger Chinese or a Chinese person a Hong Konger they will be offended. To consider them one is actually racist.