Intel Haswell i5-4670K vs. i7-4770K Comparison

[Nabarun]

Interesting, Chrome is smart enough to offer correct choice to fill the random question.

The question is not that random. And the answer is in the cache. Works in ff too

 

[haswrong]

Get your shit together, TPU. You can do better than this.

he probably meant that you should test the cpus with crysis 3 to spot the true beneficical effect of hyper-threading..

 

[EthanDW]

Hi everyone,
I often read the reviews on this site, but I have never thought to register to it.

However, the anomalies found on this review, at the BF3 test, which conflict the general assumption that HT has practically no benefit for gaming, made me register to it and post a comment.

In this review, we see nearly 7FPS difference (34FPS vs 41FPS) in BF3 at 4.2Ghz.
This is approximately 20% difference, definitely not negligible as the common belief suggests (this is like the difference between gtx 760 and gtx 660).

FireKillerGR,
Would you please make a test with HT disabled, so we may find out whether the cause for the 7FPS difference in BF3 is the extra logical cores or the bigger cache?

Thanks in advance

 

[FireKillerGR]

Sure
I will re-test the 4670K too
Just give me some time cause I will leave tomorrow and will return 1st of Sept.

 

[EthanDW]

Thank you very much!
I highly appreciate it and i'm looking forward to reading your updates

 

[arbiter]

Um, not sure what water cooler was used, I have a corsair h80 on my 4770k and at 3.7ghz which is normal turbo boost. Mine only tops out at 60c running prime95, So why 73c was seen.

 

[FireKillerGR]

Um, not sure what water cooler was used, I have a corsair h80 on my 4770k and at 3.7ghz which is normal turbo boost. Mine only tops out at 60c running prime95, So why 73c was seen.

Once again, every cpu is different, it can oc differently and needs different voltage.
On both chips vring was @1.13v and also you compare the voltage of a stock cpu (which is around 1.05~v stock) to an oced with more than 1.2v voltage.

 

[arbiter]

Once again, every cpu is different, it can oc differently and needs different voltage.
On both chips vring was @1.13v and also you compare the voltage of a stock cpu (which is around 1.05~v stock) to an oced with more than 1.2v voltage.

i was comparing mine at 3.7 with intel's turbo to one on here at 3.5. So temps should be pretty close to same. 13c is a pretty considerable margin. only time i seen 73c range on mine was OC'ed to 4.3ghz @ 1.25volts.

 

[Timber1900]

Great review!

I was really shocked by the BF3 scores though, as other people have... mostly I'm curious on this bit:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_780/8.html

The GTX 580 scored 54.2 FPS at 1900x1200 on an i7-3770k. You used a Classified 580 with a newer and more overclocked processor at 1080p and at most got into the 40s on this review.

Are these different levels? I saw you mentioned you'd be doing another review soonish where you'll run the game on a different level. Can you please run it on the same level as the GTX 780 review to normalize?

Either way, I'm picking up a 4770k and an Asus Hero in the next few weeks. Should be quite the leap from my Phenom X4 965, right? I'm hoping to squeeze a few more frames out of my PC for BF4

 

[FireKillerGR]

Great review!

I was really shocked by the BF3 scores though, as other people have... mostly I'm curious on this bit:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_780/8.html

The GTX 580 scored 54.2 FPS at 1900x1200 on an i7-3770k. You used a Classified 580 with a newer and more overclocked processor at 1080p and at most got into the 40s on this review.

Are these different levels? I saw you mentioned you'd be doing another review soonish where you'll run the game on a different level. Can you please run it on the same level as the GTX 780 review to normalize?

Either way, I'm picking up a 4770k and an Asus Hero in the next few weeks. Should be quite the leap from my Phenom X4 965, right? I'm hoping to squeeze a few more frames out of my PC for BF4

Thanks

No need to worry, I will have an Asus DCII 780 GTX before even starting the re-tests
Yeah a 4770k will be a great upgrade

 

[Vario]

I wonder if the haswells will really last long at those temperatures...

I am only 50*C load (on air) with my 1230v2, however thats basically just an undervolted 3.5ghz 3770k. Also got a 2550k that should hit 5.0ghz, funny that the sandy bridge's amazing overclockability can still push it to the top of the pile.

 

[cadaveca]

funny that the sandy bridge's EASE OF OVERCLOCKING can still push it to the top of the pile.

Fix'd that for ya.

 

[TheDeeGee]

Currently running my 4770K at 4,5 GHz @ 1.175 volts. (OCCT Linpack + AVX stable)

Golden Chip?

 

[Nabarun]

Currently running my 4770K at 4,5 GHz @ 1.175 volts. (OCCT Linpack + AVX stable)

Golden Chip?

Wow. What's the cache and memory like?

 

[vega22]

Currently running my 4770K at 4,5 GHz @ 1.175 volts. (OCCT Linpack + AVX stable)

Golden Chip?

you want to come and join the hwbot team dude

 

[TheDeeGee]

Wow. What's the cache and memory like?

Didn't touch the cache, and memory runs at it's default 2133 MHz.

Havn't tried 4.6 yet tho, might hit the cliff there.

I also been undervolting and only need 1.015 for stock speeds.

 

[springs113]

Hey Dave I have since changed my case and added another rad to my h220 loop...and to all that say that h220 pump is weak, I say hell no it aint, i max out currently around mid 50s. I may try and push my oc but I'm kind of satisfied with where I'm at. I guess the next thing for me to do is to try and see if I can lower my voltage to the process meanwhile maintaining my stability.

 

[Nattydraddy]

The hot temperatures of the Intel Core i5-4670K

From the review:
"Its biggest disadvantage is not only the temperature but also its low overclocking potential."

I can see from the graphs that the i5-4670K gets hotter than the i7-4770K under load, even if the i5-4670K is not overclocked. But i can see no reason for it other that the used i5-4670K is a bad sample. Different samples of the i7-4770K were used by the author of the test but maybe not of the i5-4670K. Is that the reason that the i5-4670K runs hotter than the i7-4770K?

I want to build a system wich runs without a loud cooling. Unfortunately seems all Haswell chips to run hot. The Haswell chips with a low TDP just clock lower but are not more efficient.

My computer mostly justs music. I wouldn´t wonder if an i7-4770K would be the quietest cpu for that, despite it's much to poweful features.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

My computer mostly justs music. I wouldn´t wonder if an i7-4770K would be the quietest cpu for that, despite it's much to poweful features.

You dont need a i7 just to play music - even a cheap second, 3rd or 4th hand single core could do that too as well as browse the internet and watch HD content. even when it comes to casual games that require a half decent system to run single core isnt really a problem, I used to run L4D on a FX-55 or overclocked 3000+@2.8Ghz and never had a problem with it.

In fact, thats the last time i think i ever ran a single core system.... the board i used stopped working and i never replaced it

 

[Nabarun]

I'm too drunk to quote everybody... correctly. So sorry for fvck-ups in advance.

Didn't touch the cache, and memory runs at it's default 2133 MHz.

Havn't tried 4.6 yet tho, might hit the cliff there.

I also been undervolting and only need 1.015 for stock speeds.

That DOES look like a jackpot

Hey Dave I have since changed my case and added another rad to my h220 loop...and to all that say that h220 pump is weak, I say hell no it aint, i max out currently around mid 50s. I may try and push my oc but I'm kind of satisfied with where I'm at. I guess the next thing for me to do is to try and see if I can lower my voltage to the process meanwhile maintaining my stability.

Well, all I can say is that this comment of yours and a ton of others' have convinced me that Swiftech is good. I may end up with the H320 when I have the money ... will upgrade to six 'NF-F12's later.

From the review:
"Its biggest disadvantage is not only the temperature but also its low overclocking potential."

I can see from the graphs that the i5-4670K gets hotter than the i7-4770K under load, even if the i5-4670K is not overclocked. But i can see no reason for it other that the used i5-4670K is a bad sample. Different samples of the i7-4770K were used by the author of the test but maybe not of the i5-4670K. Is that the reason that the i5-4670K runs hotter than the i7-4770K?

I want to build a system wich runs without a loud cooling. Unfortunately seems all Haswell chips to run hot. The Haswell chips with a low TDP just clock lower but are not more efficient.

My computer mostly justs music. I wouldn´t wonder if an i7-4770K would be the quietest cpu for that, despite it's much to poweful features.

I totally believe he received a crappy chip. Because "theoretically", the I5 should have more thermal headroom because of the lack of hyperthreading. I just hope the majority of the I5s aren't like that ... I got a 4670K too... haven't tested it yet because all I have got right now is that and the Asus Maximus 6 Hero.

If you "JUST" play music on your PC, then a Pentium 3 800MHz will be considered an overkill.

You dont need a i7 just to play music - even a cheap second, 3rd or 4th hand single core could do that too as well as browse the internet and watch HD content. even when it comes to casual games that require a half decent system to run single core isnt really a problem, I used to run L4D on a FX-55 or overclocked 3000+@2.8Ghz and never had a problem with it.

In fact, thats the last time i think i ever ran a single core system.... the board i used stopped working and i never replaced it

I think viewing HD videos PROPERLY with tweaked shaders and better renderers does require a better CPU and GPU.
(I'm talking a Core2Duo @1.86GHz and MSI GTS 250 1GB and 2GB dual channel RAM @667MHz )

 

[Zonengorg]

Thank you very much for this info!!!

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I think viewing HD videos PROPERLY with tweaked shaders and better renderers does require a better CPU and GPU.
(I'm talking a Core2Duo @1.86GHz and MSI GTS 250 1GB and 2GB dual channel RAM @667MHz )

Not really, even cheap LP HTPC cards can render HD content effectively. A single core CPU is plenty.

The only problem is retailers dont really sell single core chips anymore, a few retailers here in the UK have some AMD Semprons left in stock but its priced just slightly lower than an AMD A4 APU. The price difference is almost negligible

 

[Nabarun]

Not really, even cheap LP HTPC cards can render HD content effectively. A single core CPU is plenty.

The only problem is retailers dont really sell single core chips anymore, a few retailers here in the UK have some AMD Semprons left in stock but its priced just slightly lower than an AMD A4 APU. The price difference is almost negligible

When I play a FULL HD video with HD Audio (like 8-channel DTS) in VMR9 with shaders applied, it does struggle. And mine is a dual core. I also have dedicated sound card. 720p and lower quality 1080p works fine.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

what is your setup?

Cuz ive run AMD64 939 chips with a X850XTPE and not had any troubles with 1080p, I also had a Creative Xtreme Music sound card, If youre trying to use the GTS250 to output audio via HDMI then thats the cause of your stuttering.

some older boards & GPUs just dont have the bandwidth available to do 1080p & stream audio at the same time and it has been known to cause some issues - However if youre running SLi or Crossfire using the secondary card to stream audio isnt a problem

 

[Nabarun]

what is your setup?

Cuz ive run AMD64 939 chips with a X850XTPE and not had any troubles with 1080p, I also had a Creative Xtreme Music sound card, If youre trying to use the GTS250 to output audio via HDMI then thats the cause of your stuttering.

some older boards & GPUs just dont have the bandwidth available to do 1080p & stream audio at the same time and it has been known to cause some issues - However if youre running SLi or Crossfire using the secondary card to stream audio isnt a problem

No SLI or HDMI. Just a single GPU. But it's a PCIe 2nd gen on a D946GZIS which is PCIe 1st gen. The sound card is Creative SB Live! 24 bit. But I think it's the CPU and not bandwidth. May be AMD chips are better at this... I mean compared to older Intel ones. Whatever be the case, it's a totally f*cked up config, and that's why I still don't have it on my sig/profile. Building a new one with meticulous planning now. Already got the 4670K and "Hero"...