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AMD Radeon R9 290X 4 GB

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This is exactly what i've been saying all along, only people choose to ignore it.
We'll its because the quote won't hold weight once the price drops roll around. The 780TI is taking the $650 crown while the third party 780 is dropping to $550-575 so why in the hell would anyone pay more money then they have to ? (logically they wouldn't which is why no one is acknowledging the quote).

Nobody (unless their extremely uniformed) is saying "im going to pay $75 more than the 290x for the third party 780" when both price drops and a better card are 3 weeks away (im an AMD card owner and even I know that's insane).
 
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hahaha, you people are ridiculous!

Wait, wait, wait. Did they use the 9.3 Catalyst drivers for benching?????
 
I think it is time to give a warning to those posting in this thread. Please do not argue and put others down. Agree to disagree and move on.
Act civil and we will all get along:)
 
Like I said this thread just keeps getting better and better! :toast:

Thanks for the good laugh, ya crazy Nvidia zealot, but blah blah blah

Please feel free to flame me with your predictable "AMD fanboy" comments though, despite blah blah blah

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I think that a lot of people see Titan and think that since R9 290X is half the price you can accept its flaws. What I argue is that R9 290X is still a $550 card, which is a LOT of money. You shouldn't have to put up with this when you spend that much money. NVidia did AMD a favor, because if all that existed was the $650 GTX 780 and there was no comparison to the $1000 Titan, I think the conclusions would be much different.

+1, exactly. It should be damned near perfect at this price. One thing that really gets me, is why they still use that noisy impeller first used on the 2900 six years ago? FFS AMD, can't you make a better one? NVIDIA have done and it's a very cheap part too, so what gives?

On most NVIDIA cards, you can actually run the fan at 100% and while fairly loud, it's not overly objectionable. However, AMD cards are overly objectionable at much lower speeds, which is ridiculous. And to anyone who tells me to just buy an aftermarket cooler, that's a non-argument, because someone shouldn't be expected to spend more money, void their warranty, potentially break their card and be inconvenienced just because AMD won't put a proper cooler on their card ie compensating for AMD at the customers' own expense.

I disagree. No piece of computer hardware should ever get a 10. There will always be some sort of flaw.

Agreed. Perhaps 9.8 or 9.9 should be the maximum for hardware that does literally everything superlatively. For example, imagine a graphics card that was three times faster than a Titan, used 2/3 the power, made very little noise even when totally maxed out, used only one slot, had perfect drivers (including "perfect" multicard scaling) and only cost $200. Something as extreme as that would be worth such a score. Alas, we can only dream, lol.

As a current AMD card owner, even I agree

Don't get me wrong, the 290x is fast and the price is good but it isn't the 780 killer that most people hyped it as (hence why people are comparing it to the Titan instead of the 780).

Stock vs stock and overclocked vs overclocked, its basically the same damn thing as the 780 while being $75 cheaper (NVidia is dropping the price of the 780 to $550-575 in the next few weeks to pretty much cancel things out all while releasing the 780 Ti for $650 that will take single GPU crown).

I'm not extremely disappointed with this card ($550 is a good price) its just a $550-575 780 and a $650 780 Ti will pretty much negate all the pros of the card (price cut 780 will make the 290x not really a better value of the money since it will be identical and a 780Ti will clearly take the single GPU crown while costing not that much more)

After reading this review im for damn sure waiting for the 20nm GPU"s next year (the GTX 870/pirate island equivalent should offer better performance than the 290x/780 for only $400).

Agreed. It's beginning to look like we're hitting the limits of what 28nm can do within a commercially viable power and heat envelope isn't it?

I'd love to see what an ungimped GK110 AND 290x could do when put into a special board that can supply all the juice the GPUs need, overclocked as high as possible, along with high powered cooling to prevent throttling even under the likes of Furmark. I'll bet you might see a 60-80% performance improvement, perhaps even 100% if you're really lucky. Of course, a card like that would be for demo purposes only and not be commercially viable, alas. It must be quite frustrating for a GPU designer to know what their chip can really do, but be forced to constrain them in order to sell them.
 
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Agreed. Perhaps 9.8 or 9.9 should be the maximum for hardware that does literally everything superlatively. For example, imagine a graphics card that was three times faster than a Titan, used 2/3 the power, made very little noise even when totally maxed out, used only one slot, had perfect drivers (including "perfect" multicard scaling) and only cost $200. Something as extreme as that would be worth such a score. Alas, we can only dream, lol.

In 10 years time, we should be seeing cards like this with current extrapolation.
 
Its funny I see a lot of the old dogs on TPU who are not impressed with this GPU and the newer guys are all like "OMGBBQ MUST SELL MY TITAN!". Just relax guys. Sit back and really, REALLY look at the big picture.
 
Its funny I see a lot of the old dogs on TPU who are not impressed with this GPU and the newer guys are all like "OMGBBQ MUST SELL MY TITAN!". Just relax guys. Sit back and really, REALLY look at the big picture.

Good point and one I think you should elaborate on. :)

I reckon the old dogs like me are not impressed, because we have more experience with building PCs and the kind of hardware that should go into a good one and the expectations of what it should deliver.
 
Good point and one I think you should elaborate on. :)

I reckon the old dogs like me are not impressed, because we have more experience with building PCs and the kind of hardware that should go into a good one and the expectations of what it should deliver.

I think you get more realistic and generally knowledgeable after buying so many of these damned graphics cards:nutkick:, Ironically most on here think imho im a Amd kinda guy but im just a skint member :D well not skint but like many i prioritise pc upgrades as a commodity and only buy what i Think i need then spend the spare on beer and women:D
 
I think you get more realistic and generally knowledgeable after buying so many of these damned graphics cards:nutkick:, Ironically most on here think imho im a Amd kinda guy but im just a skint member :D well not skint but like many i prioritise pc upgrades as a commodity and only buy what i Think i need then spend the spare on beer and women:D

This. Upgrade cycles man.
 
Its funny I see a lot of the old dogs on TPU who are not impressed with this GPU and the newer guys are all like "OMGBBQ MUST SELL MY TITAN!". Just relax guys. Sit back and really, REALLY look at the big picture.

I was thinking something close to this the other day when for the first time in years I went to a 500+ people LAN, makes me feel old, which I guess in comparison I am. Priorities change, motorcycles get bought, women need jewellery..

I had almost forgotten how everyone on the internet seems to be a full bottle industry expert because they built a current PC which (for them) is the best.

I hear this argument about mac vs pc, iphone vs android, it's the same song, just on a different day.
 
Good point and one I think you should elaborate on. :)

I reckon the old dogs like me are not impressed, because we have more experience with building PCs and the kind of hardware that should go into a good one and the expectations of what it should deliver.

Its simple. Most games today with the exception of maybe Battlefield 3/4, Crysis and Metro can get by with a 660ti for 230 bucks. You can get a 670 for $270 and that will run Battlefield well and Crysis and Metro decent on medium settings. Which to me makes the 780 and the 290 vastly over priced.

Lets say you buy two 670s for $270 each new which brings me to $540. Top that off with the duplicate games they will come with in bundles. Selling one game that will bring it me to $500 easy. If I sold both games it would bring me to well under $500. Maybe around $460 at $40 bucks per game for two 670's when its all said and done. That's far better performance with an older generation GPU for less money.

The 290 should really cost about $420 bucks. Maybe $450. However NIVIDA ran the market segment up so high with the 780 being the top dog for so many months with the stupid $600 dollar price tag that $550 seems cheap now. Its not. Its stupidly over priced.

This folks is how marketing and a non-informed public keep over paying for stuff. Good for companies. Bad for consumers.
 
Most games today with the exception of maybe Battlefield 3/4, Crysis and Metro can get by with a 660ti for 230 bucks.

As a 660Ti user I concur. That said, it did annoy me slightly because I have to tone down the settings for Crysis 3. I will need to tone down a lot of things once the next gen console games come in in full force in about a years time, but that will be a story for another day.
 
Its simple. Most games today with the exception of maybe Battlefield 3/4, Crysis and Metro can get by with a 660ti for 230 bucks. You can get a 670 for $270 and that will run Battlefield well and Crysis and Metro decent on medium settings. Which to me makes the 780 and the 290 vastly over priced.

Lets say you buy two 670s for $270 each new which brings me to $540. Top that off with the duplicate games they will come with in bundles. Selling one game that will bring it me to $500 easy. If I sold both games it would bring me to well under $500. Maybe around $460 at $40 bucks per game for two 670's when its all said and done. That's far better performance with an older generation GPU for less money.

The 290 should really cost about $420 bucks. Maybe $450. However NIVIDA ran the market segment up so high with the 780 being the top dog for so many months with the stupid $600 dollar price tag that $550 seems cheap now. Its not. Its stupidly over priced.

This folks is how marketing and a non-informed public keep over paying for stuff. Good for companies. Bad for consumers.

I think both companies deffinately price high on release to allow for non company scrapping price drops later too and many are blinded by the new toy elimment , and i think,no i actually do buy cards for what I think its actually worth even if i have to wait until its a,, still useful last gen product to get my ultra-ish:D game fix:D

and the price v my opinionated worth mentality is the reason I have given nvidia some stick lately i dont like intel's priceing either despite both making great products im not buying until i must or they change.
 
I bought an R9 290x and im happy with the performance it gives me now@850-1000mhz...

games feel more fluid than they did with the 7970...imo

AMD have a gpu here that scales like mad with core speed, so as far as benchmarking goes this is an exciting card... I cant wait to get my hands on a top tier after market cooler....

fitting an aftermarket cooler for your own high end gpu is hardware heaven...imo

so im actually looking forward to it but then im a hardware junky...:toast:
 
I bought an R9 290x and im happy with the performance it gives me now@850-1000mhz...

games feel more fluid than they did with the 7970...imo

AMD have a gpu here that scales like mad with core speed, so as far as benchmarking goes this is an exciting card... I cant wait to get my hands on a top tier after market cooler....

fitting an aftermarket cooler for your own high end gpu is hardware heaven...imo

so im actually looking forward to it but then im a hardware junky...:toast:

Congratulations on your purchase.

W1zzard's review shows the card throttling as much as ~400 MHz

If @ all possible, could you try to underclock the base voltage in to ... say ... 900 MHz? The reason i ask is i'm wondering if with less throttling the card performs better then stock clocks using the same cooler or if the excessive throttling, IMO, doesn't hamper performance in the slightest.

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Dunno if this is possible to test.
 
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Its simple. Most games today with the exception of maybe Battlefield 3/4, Crysis and Metro can get by with a 660ti for 230 bucks. You can get a 670 for $270 and that will run Battlefield well and Crysis and Metro decent on medium settings. Which to me makes the 780 and the 290 vastly over priced.

Lets say you buy two 670s for $270 each new which brings me to $540. Top that off with the duplicate games they will come with in bundles. Selling one game that will bring it me to $500 easy. If I sold both games it would bring me to well under $500. Maybe around $460 at $40 bucks per game for two 670's when its all said and done. That's far better performance with an older generation GPU for less money.

The 290 should really cost about $420 bucks. Maybe $450. However NIVIDA ran the market segment up so high with the 780 being the top dog for so many months with the stupid $600 dollar price tag that $550 seems cheap now. Its not. Its stupidly over priced.

This folks is how marketing and a non-informed public keep over paying for stuff. Good for companies. Bad for consumers.

1080p is so old fashion, try using a 660ti or 670 on a 1440p panel over 60Hz with moderate eye candy filtering.
 
1080p is so old fashion, try using a 660ti or 670 on a 1440p panel over 60Hz with moderate eye candy filtering.

Well 1440p is still very much enthusiast territory, your average gamer is still on 1080p.
 
1080p is so old fashion, try using a 660ti or 670 on a 1440p panel over 60Hz with moderate eye candy filtering.

As someone who games at 1440p with a 670, 60Hz+ is very achievable on the vast majority of games by turning only a few settings down - usually just AA. That being said, I'm an enthusiast and of course need moar! I sure hope non-reference 290's come out soon.
 
On most NVIDIA cards, you can actually run the fan at 100% and while fairly loud, it's not overly objectionable. However, AMD cards are overly objectionable at much lower speeds, which is ridiculous. And to anyone who tells me to just buy an aftermarket cooler, that's a non-argument, because someone shouldn't be expected to spend more money, void their warranty, potentially break their card and be inconvenienced just because AMD won't put a proper cooler on their card ie compensating for AMD at the customers' own expense.






Agreed. It's beginning to look like we're hitting the limits of what 28nm can do within a commercially viable power and heat envelope isn't it?

NVIDIA's GK110 graphics processor was first introduced as a Tesla-only product to power demanding GPU compute applications. NVIDIA has now released it as a GeForce GPU too. It uses 7.1 billion transistors on a die size that we measured to be 561 mm².

AMD's Hawaii graphics processor uses the GCN shader architecture. It is produced on a 28 nm process at TSMC Taiwan, with 4.31 billion transistors on a 438 mm² die.

28% smaller die with the same performance +/- 3% but requires 40W more power = thermal dynamics of the efficiency. There is only so much heat copper can dissipate, a higher fan speed is going to be required as the die size is smaller and heat output more concentrated, the shaders are more efficiently utilized in the 290 than the Titan. I don't know how else to explain it to you, I'm sure if thy wanted to create a vapor chamber and alter the cooler and increase the price to $750 they would have, but they know who is buying the card, enthusiasts, with liquid cooling, or overclockers who would rather get a cheaper card and spend the extra $100 on a custom cooler.


If you actually look at the cooler its the exact same design as Nvidia uses, except the Titan has a vapor chamber.


So would you rather buy a card cheaper and be able to customize it, or buy the more expensive card like everyone else?
 
Buy newer, cheaper and modify. ^
 
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Congratulations on your purchase.

W1zzard's review shows the card throttling as much as ~400 MHz

If @ all possible, could you try to underclock the base voltage in to ... say ... 900 MHz? The reason i ask is i'm wondering if with less throttling the card performs better then stock clocks using the same cooler or if the excessive throttling, IMO, doesn't hamper performance in the slightest.

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Dunno if this is possible to test.

as it happens, all I need to do with my gpu is set the fan to 70percent(it will then run up to but not above, not stick at 70%).

with everything else stock, the card runs valley windowed with gpu-z open and never throttles... but that's only at 1000mhz.

when I run 11111mhz+ with the fan at max 70% you can see the card throttling but it never goes lower than 1000mhz when overclocked...or at least not that ive noticed. when left at 1000mhz it did throttle down to 850mhz at one point...

I also set the highest temp for the gpu to run at 80% not 95%... :toast:

I don't like anything in my machine running at 95%...
 
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