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Wow dude. All three of those games are excellent.To be fair, the only game on that list I'd call "good" is Borderlands (the first one).
Wow dude. All three of those games are excellent.To be fair, the only game on that list I'd call "good" is Borderlands (the first one).
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So you wanted me to foretell the future and wait for a Black Friday deal for the game to be discounted?
It doesn't even matter how much it costs. EA keeps doing the same thing. They have an open "beta" for their games, they fix nothing because it's too close to launch, effectively making this "beta" a demo to build hype. Then they release the "final" product in a broke ass state. Really what they've done is trick everyone into buying a game at full price so they can perform their beta test on OUR money instead of THEIRS.
They did it with BF3, MOH: Warfighter, Sim City, and now BF4.
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I'm happy to see you agree with me, but to call Mass Effect, Skyrim, and Borderlands "[not] that good"? Are you kidding me right now?
If a feature can be described as awesome, it should probably be cut.
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Have you guys even played these games?
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Naah. Skyrim has a nice world, and while it has lots of content plenty of it is meaningless, not to mention it's just another high fantasy adventure game with "awesumh" features (dragons! shouts!) and it has "immershun", which means .... I don't know what that means. Mass Effect tries to be too many things and becomes just an avarage game, and I didn't care for the story. I played the first game for like 10 hours, quit of boredom and now i can't remember anything about it other than it being a bland action rpg, plus I can't stand the over-the-shoulder perspective, and it has a cover system. Borderlands too was boring. They are like the big blockbuster movies, not bad as such, just ... pretty boring and mass produced. It's the same with most games, they are there to bring profit to someone. Slap on big tits, some forced sex scenes and bad language and call it "mature"; boom, instant money and endless fan fiction about blowjobs. Slap on some new guns and textures and call it n+1; boom, instant money. Give it guns and tits and dragons and stacked dragons with guns and it becomes this, basicly. Take a respected series, dumb it down, add more nukes and GOTY achieved.
If a feature can be described as awesome, it should probably be cut. Kill your darlings and all that.
There are exceptions obviously. The biggest one is probably Valve, because Portal and HL(2 at least) has some of the best character development and dialouge in the bussiness, despite them being what they are.
Borderlands 2 is on the same planet.Thats true but skyrim while I won't say its a good game its not a bad game either and Mass Effect 1, I liked it because it was different and it kinda felt right, I loved the planet scanning for resources and the rare times when you could land on one the story was not that bad either, If ME1 was improved on storywise and expanded upon the series could really been something. I actually did finish borderlands but I could not finish borderlands 2, it was alot of the same things as 1 just on a different planet with a kinda boring comic storyline unlike say Portal/2 which does it right.
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That's fine, and no offence to you personally, but when people voice an opinion about something when they've only played a small portion of a game, that's just not right.yea i just remembered it was pandora lol, felt different lol just forgot thats all
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Yes, I have. Mass Effect, like Frick said, was a bland action RPG; but unlike Frick, I actually enjoyed the writing and played it like a JRPG (which made it better). Mass Effect 2 was basically the same thing with a crappier inventory/equipment system and crappier writing where you play as the Six Million Dollar Man without the bionics running around doing crappy quests so that your team mates don't suck rancid donkey balls while doing various retarded things about the reapers until you fight some fucked up Earthbound-ending style baby reaper. Skyrim, on the other hand, is larger, blander, and has no decent writing at all to back it up, comes with a crappy crafting system where you forge 9001 iron daggers in the space of a few hours, go down 9001 dungeons and fight draugr/bandits/vampires looking for a MacGuffin because the quests all are crap, all while fighting dragons and doing the main story quests that pretty much boil down to fighting dragons that have names.Have you guys even played these games?
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Borderlands 2 is on the same planet.
This is why I doubt your guys' opinions. Most of you probably haven't finished the games.
Excuse the tangent here, but EA didn't release Skyrim. If you don't like it, that's just fine. EA did release Mass Effects 1 and 2.
Foregoing the debate about whether people thought games were good, the only two relevant games to this discussion are the Mass Effects. They are relevant because EA was the publisher.
Turning a multi-page debate about non-objective game quality back on course, let's talk about EAs plan to make all games franchises. I'm not sure the Mass Effect series needed to have a multi-player component added to it (see ME3), but isn't that basically a modification of BF4 with Mass Effect skins? It was Mass Effect 3 that started this whole ball of customer hate rolling down-hill, was it not? ME3 had an ending controversy, EA was voted crappiest company two years in a row, then SimCity launched like a brick to the love-chunks.
While EA seems to be in a tail-spin, it seems like we could offer them some suggestions on how to improve their fortunes. Given the context, EA might actually listen. So, what advice should we offer EA (other than the spiteful "Burn motherf#####s, burn!")?
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Turning a multi-page debate about non-objective game quality back on course, let's talk about EAs plan to make all games franchises. I'm not sure the Mass Effect series needed to have a multi-player component added to it (see ME3), but isn't that basically a modification of BF4 with Mass Effect skins? It was Mass Effect 3 that started this whole ball of customer hate rolling down-hill, was it not? ME3 had an ending controversy, EA was voted crappiest company two years in a row, then SimCity launched like a brick to the love-chunks.
While EA seems to be in a tail-spin, it seems like we could offer them some suggestions on how to improve their fortunes. Given the context, EA might actually listen. So, what advice should we offer EA (other than the spiteful "Burn motherf#####s, burn!")?
Hey I'm objective AS TITS.![]()
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I didn't try to back up my statements because those three games (ME, Skyrim, and Borderlands) are universally known as good games. They have some of the highest average critic and users scores on Metacritic, which says a lot. I can understand you personally disliking aspects of the games, but to dislike or even hate them is just naive. And the claim that AAA games are now always bad because they are "safe bets" is also ridiculous. Borderlands started out with with typical graphics more in line with Fallout. It could have bombed because of that since the whole point of the game is that comic book feel with the ridiculous characters and enemies.My point was not to criticize your opinion, but to pull out the measuring stick.
Objective measures of quality are mechanical functionality, story coherence, and lack of bugs. These things can be functionally measured, and thus indicate if a game has been thoroughly tested and can function. The point being made about ME 1, ME2, and Skyrim does not relate to an objective quantity.
From previous posts, you believe the story in ME was not told well, the mechanics were not uniquely realized, and the RPG mechanics were crappy. Skyrim suffers from much the same, a profound dumbing down of the core mechanics, with a poor story. These things cannot be objectively measured, and thus are subject to people's interpretation. I think they are good, you think they are bad, both of us are correct. John_Abraham came forward without the understanding that personal taste does not make a game objectively good or bad, but you haven't exactly tried to point that out. BF4 isn't being snubbed because people who don't like shooters are saying it is bad, it is suffering from a lack of mechanical functionality and from experience crippling bugs.
Bringing this back around, EA is burning. We the consumers can either offer a hand to EA, and abstain from purchasing their more heinous games to show them what not to do; or we can keep buying their crap until everyone has the epiphany that they've been spoon-fed crap for the last three games, and suddenly stops buying their games all together. What exactly is you choice?
I, for one, am sticking with my ban on anything that requires Origin. After Crysis 2 I determined that any game that required Origin was not worth purchasing. I missed out on some decent games, but the enormous amount of crap that I missed has made it worth while. I've tried to take the high ground, and let EA have the benefit of doubt with Simcity. I tried to stand behind them when they finally started doing DRM in a less aggressive manner (look back on the original ME DRM, and Spore if your memory is fuzzy), after consumer backlash. The cynic in me stepped forward during the EA Humble Bundle, and for the new return policy. I'm not sure if the amazing games in EAs library can outweigh the crap they've done recently. If they can't, EA deserves to burn far more than THQ did....
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Facts:
Mass Effect had two patches: 1.01a, 1.02
Skyrim had many patches.
Borderlands had eight patches: 1.01, 1.10, 1.20, 1.21, 1.30, 1.31, 1.40, 1.41
Bioware is exceptionally good at fixing bugs before launch so they have little need to patch after launch.
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