New GTX TITAN-Z Launch Details Emerge

[radrok]

Well we can say they basically became more greedy, Nvidia just saw another segment between their gaming - professional line of graphics cards.

That segment was happy and dandy by using untapped Fermi until they decided to milk them (us).

 

[GhostRyder]

Well we can say they basically became more greedy, Nvidia just saw another segment between their gaming - professional line of graphics cards.

That segment was happy and dandy by using untapped Fermi until they decided to milk them (us).

Exactly, thats my only point on the argument of the Titans (At least in uses). Fermi Architecture was a really excellent architecture in terms of the great gaming areas along with the compute and Cuda areas.

580's at one time or another were in the rang of 400-700 for 3gb models (Give or take and depending on version or how close to release they were) while Titan costs a minimum of 1k for a feature set like the 580 had while scrapping those features on the 680 and 780/ti. Its a game of "See how much they can charge until people finally turn their noses up" which is pretty apparent with the absurd pricing of Titan-Z.

Im waiting to see what the 880 brings, if the 750ti is any indicator chances are it will be a much better render card and fix things back to the way they should have been from the beginning than that of Titan (Well this is just mere speculation).

 

[radrok]

Fact is that there is no competition in CUDA devices with double precision enabled, now that Nvidia has created demand for their standard, they will try to gain as much as possible.

 

[Xzibit]

Guessing they missed this launch date also.

 

[GhostRyder]

Guessing they missed this launch date also.

Yea, I'm almost wondering if they are completely re-designing it or if they are canceling it (doubtful on the second). Some leaked performance said the boost clock was hugely bumped up but still low.

 

[Xzibit]

Yea, I'm almost wondering if they are completely re-designing it or if they are canceling it (doubtful on the second). Some leaked performance said the boost clock was hugely bumped up but still low.

Has to be re-design. Boosting the clocks wont cut it.

Uping the sustained boost clock on the 780 Ti 13mhz increased temps 3c. Dual GPU card will see its temp rise faster then a single. A 50mhz increase on Titan Z will be worse than the 95c on the 290X in this graph.

 

[radrok]

I'm pretty sure they didn't expect the 295 to be so fast.
It kinda pissed on their parade so hard even with that power consumption.
Twice the asking msrp doesn't justify 100w less, they cannot even play the quietness game since the 295 aio does a flawless job.

They should just make a dual GK110 (no DP) card that has the same MSRP as the 295x2, maybe a bit less considering it would perform worse, Nvidia will never pull out a 500W card imo.

 

[sweet]

Seem like we have a plot twist
http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...tpones-launch-of-geforce-gtx-titan-z-reports/

Maybe Titan Z will come back a few month later, with better VRM and cooling. Given that it is nVidia we are talking about, maybe we will see 4000$ price tag :lol:

 

[radrok]

inb4 quad slot GPU.

 

[Xzibit]

I'm pretty sure they didn't expect the 295 to be so fast.
It kinda pissed on their parade so hard even with that power consumption.
Twice the asking msrp doesn't justify 100w less, they cannot even play the quietness game since the 295 aio does a flawless job.

They should just make a dual GK110 (no DP) card that has the same MSRP as the 295x2, maybe a bit less considering it would perform worse, Nvidia will never pull out a 500W card imo.

I agree.

If they do they also have to go the water cooling route and once you open up GK110 it zips more juice then Hawaii. Going water also kills the "CUDAsumer" market. They have to leave the Titan Z on air, "790" could go water.

Maxwell time table probably got pushed up ?

 

[radrok]

I could shut down my AX1200 with two Titans overclocked, GK110 once you pass a threshold becomes a power hog.

I can imagine it can't take much to surpass that 375W mark if they want to reach the 295x2 in performance. I think ATI pulled an ace this time which I would gladly support but it would be a downgrade for me.

I think they just went too bold this time out, without thinking about what the 6990 was and 295x2 could have been that time.

Dual GPUs have always been an ATI game, they can't beat them. ATI doesn't really care about power consumption as it has shown us now as well in the past.

It has bit them in the ass

 

[Xzibit]

According to Hermitage Akihabara

Was the lifting of the ban will sell at Thursday 22 May 8 to "GeForce GTX TITAN Z" 's equipped graphics card, but the failure of the driver turned out to be for the, sales and postponed again.
The story of multiple stakeholders, product is already in stock in the country already with companies, that it is re-set waiting for the lifting of the ban on sale by NVIDIA.

So they already went out and just need "proper drivers" or atleast ones that will make it competitive with 295x2.

 

[64K]

It's still a long wait for more Maxwells. My guess is they are working on a dual GPU fully unlocked GK110 (GTX 790) to answer AMD's R9 295X2. If they go full balls and don't reduce the clocks it could beat the 295X2 but we'll see. God only knows what they will set the retail price at though. I think it will be a good bit more than double the price of a GTX 780Ti.

I'm still assuming the Titan Z will make an appearance soon.

 

[sweet]

According to Hermitage Akihabara



So they already went out and just need "proper drivers" or atleast ones that will make it competitive with 295x2.

This "proper drivers" imho is a new BIOS that allow it to hit 95c and 290x noise
But I doubt that the VRM can keep up with 2 power hungry GK110 at that level. The story of blowed up 590 will go live again

 

[Xzibit]

This "proper drivers" imho is a new BIOS that allow it to hit 95c and 290x noise
But I doubt that the VRM can keep up with 2 power hungry GK110 at that level. The story of blowed up 590 will go live again

For that to happen AIBs would have to recall stock. Do the BIOS update themselves and run % test out of the stock then send them off to stores again. Since its a Titan it might have to go back to Nvidia given they don't like AIB fiddling with them as much.

Leaving it up to P.O.S. to do BIOS update is extremely unwise. Unless your willing to take the PR and % return hit that will go along with it.

 

[GhostRyder]

I agree.

If they do they also have to go the water cooling route and once you open up GK110 it zips more juice then Hawaii. Going water also kills the "CUDAsumer" market. They have to leave the Titan Z on air, "790" could go water.

Maxwell time table probably got pushed up ?

What should be done is they need this in a 2 slot config and a cooler that will work in all environments. A 3 slot card advertised as a "Compute" card that wont work well in a rack and costs as much as real professional cards without most of the feature set is a hard sell.

If they made this work in a 2 slot config while improving the cooler and clocks along with a heavy price drop then it could be sold as a better alternative to adding more Ram for Cuda renders and devs.

I think a 790 would not be a good idea unless more ram is added. Shooting for 4k its already apparent there are issues with the 780ti because of the 3gb limits that are proving to be an actual problem.

Titan-Z is just going to have to go through a lot of changes to be even looked at.

 

[Xzibit]

Looks like the first Titan Z listing by SabrePC. Zotac Titan Z for $3,879 Ouch!!!

 

[Steevo]

LOL!!!!! 3879, Nvidia, "Quick take their money before they realize it has wood screws!!!"

 

[GhostRyder]

Looks like the first Titan Z listing by SabrePC. Zotac Titan Z for $3,879 Ouch!!!

Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft.

Are you kidding me with that price!!!

That's a whole gaming/compute rig price that could actually include a pair of Titan blacks and a real fancy motherboard and processor! I could fit an ivy-bridge e chip, a pair of Titan blacks, a nice motherboard, 16gb of ram, and some heavy ssd storage for the price of one of those cards.

 

[debs3759]

Looks like the first Titan Z listing by SabrePC. Zotac Titan Z for $3,879 Ouch!!!

LOL, they claim to have them in stock, despite the fact that NVidia still cannot give a launch date

 

[Xzibit]

LOL, they claim to have them in stock, despite the fact that NVidia still cannot give a launch date

Stores already received their stock awhile ago. Gibbo over at OCUK. Asia sites have the listings also.

Release Date has been delayed 3 times now.
1.) When it was announced it was early April
2.) April 29
3.) May 8
4.) Who knows.

 

[GhostRyder]

Stores already received their stock awhile ago. Gibbo over at OCUK. Asia sites have the listings also.

Release Date has been delayed 3 times now.
1.) When it was announced it was early April
2.) April 29
3.) May 8
4.) Who knows.

Yea it was pretty apparent they were all set to go but held off and are trying to rethink their strategy. The 295x2 at half the price and temp (not literally on temp but cooler then normal) really put a damper on them.

 

[radrok]

Maybe they will lower the price to match two blacks or even less. There is no way they can make it launch at its original msrp . One thing is sure : gotta love competition

 

[Xzibit]

Maybe they will lower the price to match two blacks or even less. There is no way they can make it launch at its original msrp . One thing is sure : gotta love competition

That would be the sensible thing to do. Although I don't think that will happen because someone would have to explain why the price was one of the only things revealed at GTC.

Not a smart move to go on stage and showcase an upcoming product with the price as one of the few things announced. Only to have to walk it back to due your competition having a better gaming product at half the price.

They still plan on releasing it in Q2 which is May-June-July for them.

KitGuru - Nvidia vows to make GeForce GTX Titan Z available in coming months

“At the very high end, we announced our newest flagship GPU, the GeForce GTX Titan Z. This is the highest performance graphics card we have ever designed. The Titan Z will please both PC enthusiasts and CUDA developers and will be available in Q2.”

 

[radrok]

As I already said, that "boldness" has bit them in the ass.

I'm kinda glad they can't get away with this SKU, it would have been massively retarded to witness.