Intel Core i7 "Haswell-E" Processor Lineup Detailed

[Octavean]

yes I did,

Not paying 1k for a 8core X

when the next line up will have K with 8 or 10 cores

Perhaps but I remember when many people were saying the same thing about 6 cores. Now we are on the cusp of the possibility of a fairly cheap 6 core Intel Core i7 processor and a lot of people are figuratively looking that gift horse square in the mouth because it doesn't have more PCIe lanes then the typical mainstream quad core,.......and because an 8 core is being dangled in their face.

The thing is this. Whenever a new lineup comes out like this everyone has eyes for the highest end option but few are willing to pay for it. As things change and the tech they wanted becomes more affordable a new lineup comes out and expectations change. People lose sight of that cheap 6 core processor they wanted when they first heard about Gulftown 970, 980X and Sandy Bridge-E and then move their sights to new unattainable,.....

 

[Sony Xperia S]

Six-core processors are salvage parts, aren't they? Specially binned because of defective dies or intentionally crippled for marketing reasons, to force you to pay more for the real deal, or to pay less but to get less at the same time too.

I understand why people don't want them.

 

[Assimilator]

The lack of competition from AMD is saying its word.

I'm all the time saying that YOU should be very careful what you are buying not to cause monopoly.

The same would happen if you continue to buy nvidia videocards and make AMD even weaker. No one will benefit in the long term.

AMD is weak because they can't make a CPU that doesn't suck balls. That is entirely their fault, not the consumer's or Intel's or Barack Obama's. It also isn't the consumer's responsibility to prop up companies that can't compete.

 

[repman244]

Seriously, I'm more curious than anything about how well MSFT Flight Simulators 9 & 10 will run. I probably won't notice anything more than an increase in frames over my current overclocked 4770K. I was a private pilot for 35 years until I failed the physical. Now the PC is the only thing I can fly, so there lies my passion and my obsession to see if each new PC generation can make things just a little bit better.

FSX only uses 2 cores mostly so you won't see an increase with haswell-E IMO. Best to wait for the next generation and see if single thread performance goes up.

 

[15th Warlock]

Geez, $1K is the ticket price for desktop 8 core from Intel? Shame on you Intel

Was hoping for the mid class Haswell-E to be at least an 8 core, considering there are already Xeons that go to 12 cores, even the high end enthusiast desktop parts are stagnating due to lack of competition.

That makes Haswell-E a though pill to swallow, heard rumors about some unlocked Xeons coming down the line, but those are probably going to be really expensive too.

Unless DDR4 offers a quantum leap in terms of performance, I don't see much reason to drop my X79 rig, it even offers the same number of PCIe lanes and I don't need m.2 as my RAID 0 SSDs have given me for almost two years the same level of performance PCIe m.2 drives are barely starting to offer.

Such a disappointment....

 

[techy1]

I assume that, this table at end of the article did appear only after first 20 - cuz there is information about HT and core count and x820 will have same 6 cores and HT as x930. the PCIe line trimming for cheaper version is unexpected, but hey - if I am gona shed my cash for x99 platrorm with "golden" DDR4's, with multi GPU setup (why the hell else I need those 40 lines?) and maybe some PCIe SSD - that 200$ premium for x930 will make no significant difference in my budget... I mean - LGA2011 was meant never for budget oriented people, it always was for enthusiasts (by the way E - Enthusiast) who are ready to shed tremendos amounts of $$$ just to get something few precent faster / better

 

[HM_Actua1]

Perhaps but I remember when many people were saying the same thing about 6 cores. Now we are on the cusp of the possibility of a fairly cheap 6 core Intel Core i7 processor and a lot of people are figuratively looking that gift horse square in the mouth because it doesn't have more PCIe lanes then the typical mainstream quad core,.......and because an 8 core is being dangled in their face.

The thing is this. Whenever a new lineup comes out like this everyone has eyes for the highest end option but few are willing to pay for it. As things change and the tech they wanted becomes more affordable a new lineup comes out and expectations change. People lose sight of that cheap 6 core processor they wanted when they first heard about Gulftown 970, 980X and Sandy Bridge-E and then move their sights to new unattainable,.....

That is why I'm waiting to see what's down the line.. Skylake.

 

[Kyuuba]

The only way to Intel drop prices is AMD beating them in a long term for the extreme processor and that day is faaaarrr faaarrrr away from happening.

 

[TheHunter]

That is why I'm waiting to see what's down the line.. Skylake.

Yeah, X99 looks like it will be here for a long time, just like x79.

Haswell-E >> Skylake-E


There is no Broadwell-E DT, only for servers EX, al least according to wiki lol


I might upgrade to skylake-e 8core then, should be mainstream like this 5820K now,. Hopefully higher base clock at least 3.7ghz full load..

Imo this 3.3ghz now is kinda low for a 8core, Haswell per core performance starts to shine ~4.5ghz+ at 4.8-4.9ghz it goes berserk

 

[Octavean]

Six-core processors are salvage parts, aren't they? Specially binned because of defective dies or intentionally crippled for marketing reasons, to force you to pay more for the real deal, or to pay less but to get less at the same time too.

I understand why people don't want them.

Your making a reasonable assumption since we heard in advance that Haswell-E would be 6 and 8 core plus. However, when Sandy Bridge-E was launched in late 2011 there was the Core i7 3960X and the Core i7 3930K. The Core i7 3820 became available later and had a different die so it wasn't just a binned and cut part that didn't initially perform to expectations.

However, as I said before its a readable assumption.

As to why people may or may not want it is likely an individual decision. Personally, right now I'd probably take a Core i7 5820K over a Core i7 4770K or Core i7 4790K but I would have to know a bit more to be 100% sure.

 

[Hilux SSRG]

I assume that, this table at end of the article did appear only after first 20 - cuz there is information about HT and core count and x820 will have same 6 cores and HT as x930. the PCIe line trimming for cheaper version is unexpected, but hey - if I am gona shed my cash for x99 platrorm with "golden" DDR4's, with multi GPU setup (why the hell else I need those 40 lines?) and maybe some PCIe SSD - that 200$ premium for x930 will make no significant difference in my budget... I mean - LGA2011 was meant never for budget oriented people, it always was for enthusiasts (by the way E - Enthusiast) who are ready to shed tremendos amounts of $$$ just to get something few precent faster / better

That's just the thing, Intel is shooting themselves in the face by reducing the number of PCIe lanes on the entry chip. Don't they realize how many customers they have "up-sized" in the past looking for just an incremental jump up to the "Enthusiast" platform? Makes no sense to neuter your high end platform by segmenting it, unless they plan to create a sub-category?

First the x79 debacle, now this. Broadwell and Skylake to the rescue!

 

[bogami]

Regardless of the new technologies can not come to terms with the behavior of these greedy pigs . So, only $ 1,000 will be received 8 cores .Intel has long been on other products behaves as if the best but we know that does not even remotely ( SSD, Motherboards.. ) where the price far exceeds the specified quality. Unfortunately, the Pentium CPU has no real competition and them are doing whatever they wants with the price and supply. Looks like it's start behaving like INVIDIA and will be , until they AMD will cut there wings . The production cost are not exceed $ 10 really .Deem arrogant behavior of if you know it will sell millions of pieces.
Personal adequately experienced !!. When my i72600K canceled I sent representations because it was still under warranty . I72600 I get back !! instead i72600K ! regardless of the account which confirms the model dared to say that I did not have this model ! They were not even able to return consigned model which just goes to show how messed up everything and then they sent me the same model ( i72600 ) costs grew and grew but at the end of the antenna I do not have the right model yet and will not ... .Representatives of these reputable firms are regular drinkers who do not know how to read . They do not talk about greed which exceeds any normal rate. This is not Xsenon server processor to bee so ...
We need a revolution, not technological but ethical .

 

[GhostRyder]

So it does now make sense to buy the X CPU. You've finally grasped it Intel (at our expense though ).

Agreed, at least they added a better benefit to the X series chips.

Geez, $1K is the ticket price for desktop 8 core from Intel? Shame on you Intel

Was hoping for the mid class Haswell-E to be at least an 8 core, considering there are already Xeons that go to 12 cores, even the high end enthusiast desktop parts are stagnating due to lack of competition.

That makes Haswell-E a though pill to swallow, heard rumors about some unlocked Xeons coming down the line, but those are probably going to be really expensive too.

Unless DDR4 offers a quantum leap in terms of performance, I don't see much reason to drop my X79 rig, it even offers the same number of PCIe lanes and I don't need m.2 as my RAID 0 SSDs have given me for almost two years the same level of performance PCIe m.2 drives are barely starting to offer.

Such a disappointment....

Im with you though on this, im very disappointed in the fact that the 8 core chip does not have a mid range price tag. I had a feeling it was going to be this way with 2 entry level 6 cores and the 8 being the top dog but I had hoped to see the 8 core in a mid range offering (Err middle price, however you want to phrase it). I guess I will be grabbing that middle ground 6 core Haswell-E and being happy with it, just really wanted that 8 core 16 thread offering but I could never justify a desktop processor that costs 1000 bucks roughly unless im paying for a nice Xeon.

Glad to see though they are dropping the Quad core, its no longer necessary on the E series lineup in this day and age since the regular i7 lineup already has that area pretty well handled in my book.

 

[Sony Xperia S]

AMD is weak because they can't make a CPU that doesn't suck balls. That is entirely their fault, not the consumer's or Intel's or Barack Obama's.

AMD's processors are good enough at their respective price points. For instance, the AMD A10-7850K Kaveri 3.7GHz Socket FM2+ 95W Desktop Processor AMD Radeon R7 series AD785KXBJABOX costs $170.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...STMATCH&Description=AMD+7850K&N=-1&isNodeId=1

What better do you offer for this money?
You can't deny that in lower mainstream markets, Intel has no competitve advantage at all but people still blindly buy them because of the halo effect coming from the upper tiers.

You need not only to excuse yourself with that argument but also to support the clause. If you understand what I mean.

 

[Aquinus]

Your making a reasonable assumption since we heard in advance that Haswell-E would be 6 and 8 core plus. However, when Sandy Bridge-E was launched in late 2011 there was the Core i7 3960X and the Core i7 3930K. The Core i7 3820 became available later and had a different die so it wasn't just a binned and cut part that didn't initially perform to expectations.

However, as I said before its a readable assumption.

As to why people may or may not want it is likely an individual decision. Personally, right now I'd probably take a Core i7 5820K over a Core i7 4770K or Core i7 4790K but I would have to know a bit more to be 100% sure.

For all of these people complaining about the cost of an 8c/16t CPU, what are you doing that needs that kind of power? It's not gaming, that's for sure.

Also, I think it would be wise to wait for DDR4 to come out first and see how it goes. Jumping on the first revision of something is never a great plan, even more so if DDR4 ends up being initially slower than DDR3, much like how DDR2 and DDR3 speeds (at the time of DDR3's release,) were marginal.

People can complain about what Intel is doing as much as they want, but complaints aside, I've been very happy with my 3820 and X79 despite all the flack people have given it and if I could have waited and got another, more modern, machine, I don't think I would have. It may be a while before I upgrade.

 

[midnightoil]

No way they cut HT from it. Performance would be dire relative to price in a lot of software and load conditions, since most highly threaded software is written to expect Hyperthreading / 8+ threads from Intel chips and has been for a long time.

The PCI-e gimping is actually fairly welcome, given that some kind of gimping was expected. It won't be an option for people wanting 4 or more GPUs, but people wanting some CPU grunt and only 1 or 2 GPUs - great. Hopefully it'll actually encourage mobo makers to produce a broader range of more affordable boards, too, since the bottom part should be massively more popular than the 2 that preceeded it (3820k and 4820k).

My only hope is that they don't price gouge as much as they are with Ivy-E ... price increases for a much, much cheaper to produce (than Sandy-E) CPU series.

 

[MikeMurphy]

The last thing I need is a $1,000+ 8 core CPU with all the necessary trimmings. That said, I fully intend to build such a system. Desire is all I have to justify such a build, but that is sufficient in and of itself. Most importantly, though, is my wife has actually encouraged me to go "uptown" (we're both 63 btw) so with such a green light as that, who am I to argue?

Seriously, I'm more curious than anything about how well MSFT Flight Simulators 9 & 10 will run. I probably won't notice anything more than an increase in frames over my current overclocked 4770K. I was a private pilot for 35 years until I failed the physical. Now the PC is the only thing I can fly, so there lies my passion and my obsession to see if each new PC generation can make things just a little bit better.

I'm planning to build a Z97/4970K system next month (or whenever) and when the Haswell-Es come out, my existing 4770K rig will be handed down to our one of our seven grandkids.

I doubt you'll notice any performance improvement. Overclocked 4770K is already a monster. You'd probably be better off spending the money on new graphics card(s).

 

[MikeMurphy]

No way they cut HT from it. Performance would be dire relative to price in a lot of software and load conditions, since most highly threaded software is written to expect Hyperthreading / 8+ threads from Intel chips and has been for a long time.

The PCI-e gimping is actually fairly welcome, given that some kind of gimping was expected. It won't be an option for people wanting 4 or more GPUs, but people wanting some CPU grunt and only 1 or 2 GPUs - great. Hopefully it'll actually encourage mobo makers to produce a broader range of more affordable boards, too, since the bottom part should be massively more popular than the 2 that preceeded it (3820k and 4820k).

My only hope is that they don't price gouge as much as they are with Ivy-E ... price increases for a much, much cheaper to produce (than Sandy-E) CPU series.

Not much real gimping given it's PCIe 3.0 which doubles the bandwidth, again. It still offers two GPUs with equivalent throughput as 16 PCIe lanes for each.

 

[xenocide]

AMD's processors are good enough at their respective price points. For instance, the AMD A10-7850K Kaveri 3.7GHz Socket FM2+ 95W Desktop Processor AMD Radeon R7 series AD785KXBJABOX costs $170.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=AMD 7850K&N=-1&isNodeId=1

What better do you offer for this money?

An i3 or the new DC Pentium when it launches. In terms of actual performance an i3 will match the CPU portion of the A10 with ease, and if you can pair it with even a cheap discrete card you get better performance on all fronts for slightly more. The major draw for APU's is that you can get a cheap setup that offers acceptable performance, and add a dedicated GPU to crossfire later, but that crossfire solution is mostly a dud since an i3 with the same card will outperm it in almost all situations. You're also ignoring the fact that you can run an Intel CPU on pretty low-end RAM (which has been going up in price) but to get the advertised performance of an APU you need DDR3-2133 which tacks easily $40-50 onto the price of the system.

The new Devil's Canyon Pentium is looking like it is positioned to take down Kaveri. A sub-$100 2c/4t Haswell CPU will basically mean you can get a dedicated GPU and the Pentium (which will perform like an i3) for the price of a Kaveri setup.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

*slow clap*

The problem here isn't another platform, it's too little too late. Intel seemed to give-up on X79 pre-launch. If you don't believe that, then look at the planned feature list as opposed to what was actually delivered. They didn't even release a new PCH with IB-e. That smacks of forgetting about the HEDT platform, because it doesn't move as many units.

Now, Haswell has had a refresh complete with a new PCH. Seems odd that Intel could do that, but their HEDT platform is languishing.

Now Intel announces a completely new strategy. The "enthusiast" will be catered to. They intend to do this by releasing Haswell-e with a host of new technologies, releasing binned chips with decent TIM (at an increased cost), and delivering "new" chips regularly. Color me unimpressed.


I've had everything from SB to Haswell, and SB-e. Nothing released in the last 5 years from Intel really needs replacing yet, and this isn't going to make me want to spend any more cash. DDR4 is likely to suffer price hiking and low performance when it comes out. The holding hostage of PCI-e lanes in favor of more cores is absurd, and the nearly 67% difference in price between K and X processors, with a 33% difference in core count, is absurd.


Hopefully Skylake is worth looking at. So far everything since SB has been a massive let-down. SB did set the bar unusually high, but Intel hasn't done anything since then but cheapen production price and fix sales price to consumers. A sub-10% difference between processor generations is a paltry reason to buy a whole new platform.


Edit:
Spelling. I didn't catch the "buy," that came out as a but.

 

[matar]

Ok intel now we have to pay Over $1000 to get an 8-core CPU = Bad Move...

 

[Prima.Vera]

The last thing I need is a $1,000+ 8 core CPU with all the necessary trimmings. That said, I fully intend to build such a system. Desire is all I have to justify such a build, but that is sufficient in and of itself. Most importantly, though, is my wife has actually encouraged me to go "uptown" (we're both 63 btw) so with such a green light as that, who am I to argue?

Seriously, I'm more curious than anything about how well MSFT Flight Simulators 9 & 10 will run. I probably won't notice anything more than an increase in frames over my current overclocked 4770K. I was a private pilot for 35 years until I failed the physical. Now the PC is the only thing I can fly, so there lies my passion and my obsession to see if each new PC generation can make things just a little bit better.

I'm planning to build a Z97/4970K system next month (or whenever) and when the Haswell-Es come out, my existing 4770K rig will be handed down to our one of our seven grandkids.

Sorry friend, but you would make A HUGE MISTAKE!! An enormous one. There is 0 (zero) point in upgrading your CPU at the moment. For games 4770K still is one of the fastest CPU ever. I would recommend you to buy just a new videocard and that's it. Just check the latest reviews on WatchDogs, Wolfenstein, BF4, etc. There is almost no difference in performance between different generations and types of Intel's CPU's.

Don't throw away your money useless.

 

[theo2021]

I Believe the X will be a beast because if you look at the clocks it's 3Ghz
and the others are 3+ . When it's basically the same architecture, but they under clocked it to maintain the
appropriate TDP . If you OC this beast with water cooling It's gonna reach 4.5 + on 8 cores.
No use to by it if you will not heading for overclock since the performance per core is better on the others
unless you need those extra cores, but there aren't many programs that will benefit from them.

 

[Sony Xperia S]

An i3 or the new DC Pentium when it launches. In terms of actual performance an i3 will match the CPU portion of the A10 with ease, and if you can pair it with even a cheap discrete card you get better performance on all fronts for slightly more. The major draw for APU's is that you can get a cheap setup that offers acceptable performance, and add a dedicated GPU to crossfire later, but that crossfire solution is mostly a dud since an i3 with the same card will outperm it in almost all situations. You're also ignoring the fact that you can run an Intel CPU on pretty low-end RAM (which has been going up in price) but to get the advertised performance of an APU you need DDR3-2133 which tacks easily $40-50 onto the price of the system.

The new Devil's Canyon Pentium is looking like it is positioned to take down Kaveri. A sub-$100 2c/4t Haswell CPU will basically mean you can get a dedicated GPU and the Pentium (which will perform like an i3) for the price of a Kaveri setup.

I call bullshit on all you just typed.

It is possible only by malicious people intentionally wanting to do damage on AMD.

Or by AMD haters only, reserved.

 

[Scrizz]

lawl, So I have to spend $1000+ to upgrade for 2 more cores?

SOLD!

maybe I'll keep the new setup as long as my x58 rig.