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Well if these specs, especially the TDP, appear to be correct at the friday launch, then I'll be quite impressed.
I never really took those efficiency diagrams Nvidia pushed out that serious as most of the marketing stuff is usually full of fluff, or obvious. This time however they seem to have pulled it off, without even using a die shrink. Awesome. Lets hope their competitor can pull off something similar for us all to enjoy.
 
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3-bit delta color compression technology

YAY more washed out textures... exVoodoo team at the helm lol...

Seriously, are the idiots? They are badly famous for their in inchip hardware crap dithering since Riva TNT times, in smaller scale they still cheat on that... I hate my nvidia cards for that. Noone says it is lossless... sigma delta modulations seldom are...

ROP are for 4K, that's natural as AMD has a advantage there, but weak bus will introduce serious problems with traditional anti aliasing, it may spank badly... they try to compensate it with high frequency specs, but you never can outmatch the hardware pipe wideness...

But still it will benchmark fast... but... real time scenarios... khem khem... we do like SSAA, do we? If using triple monitors it is still needed despite 4K render resolution...

Stop using placebo effect as major factor.
 
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According to the source the OP cited the GTX 980 will be launched this Friday.
I have trouble believing it will be released on a Friday. As a general rule of PR, you put out bad news on Fridays to minimize publicity since there is less chance of the press reporting on it over the weekend compared to a weekday. If you want to maximize publicity, you release on a Monday so that it shows up in the news the next day and throughout the week.
 
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I have trouble believing it will be released on a Friday. As a general rule of PR, you put out bad news on Fridays to minimize publicity since there is less chance of the press reporting on it over the weekend compared to a weekday. If you want to maximize publicity, you release on a Monday so that it shows up in the news the next day and throughout the week.

Not very nice psychology but... (psychology in general is a dirty wh**re, those who created men in this awful shape, need to go back to the drawing boards and create something better :( )

i have another logic... because Friday is the most waited day for many, perhaps their attitude would be much more welcome and they will accept the product more warmly thus this will ensure even better demand, etc. ;)
 

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dropbox is one example that comes to mind. They use a "delta" api mostly to keep track of changes to files, but also to cut down on space and bandwidth usage. The api is even exposed to developers as a service.

Of course backup services use every trick in the book to save on space usage.

It could also be just jargon...
did a quick google search. looks like the transfer from your hdd to their server is done using delta compression, which makes sense to conserve bandwidth and increase throughput.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/...ment-delta-encoding-if-their-files-are-stored
 
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i have another logic... because Friday is the most waited day for many, perhaps their attitude would be much more welcome and they will accept the product more warmly thus this will ensure even better demand, etc. ;)

Maybe, there is no logic needed...It is not like people are lining up outside Best Buy to get a new video card. <--snarky voice

Yet. let me use logic. NVIDIA's first global gaming event, game24, starts Thursday, the 18th. I am no marketing expert, but I will bet a 3$ bill they planned the GTX900 series announcement for that event.
 
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and then you wonder how Apple can make more money than God, sticking with the same name and a super simple number scheme ...
Super simple sells.........super simple and tits.
 
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To be honest, i'm quite disappointed if the specs and prices are right.
I hoped for them to make a true step ahead in GTX 900 series. There were talkings about a 3200 core part, witch at the time seemed too good to be true.
I did not expect the GTX 970 part to contain a mare 1664 shader count, or the GTX 980 part to have 2048. This leaves plenty of room for them to milk 2304 and 2560 parts as-well. Especially considering the low TDP.
:(
If the full GM 204 die is 2048 cores, how do you expect a 2304 or 2560 part to eventuate?
Bear in mind that the GM 204 replaces the GK 104 (1536 shaders) in the vendors hierarchy, not the GK 110.
G80 -> GT200 -> GF100/110 -> GK110 -> GM 200
G92 -> M.I.A. -> GK104/114 -> GK104 -> GM204
New GPU in the same general performance range doesn't automatically mean it replaces the SKU's. I don't think anyone is expecting the fully enabled Tonga (285X) Volcanic Islands to replace the Hawaii (Sea Islands) GPU are they?
 
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That is one heck of a boost frequency and ram speed!
Should hope so... 28nm has been around for a really long time now.

What I'm interested is if they have actually been able to improve the voltage and thermal capabilities of the architecture, in that case, these low power density chips will really be able to take advantage of higher current VRM solutions.
 
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I have trouble believing it will be released on a Friday. As a general rule of PR, you put out bad news on Fridays to minimize publicity since there is less chance of the press reporting on it over the weekend compared to a weekday. If you want to maximize publicity, you release on a Monday so that it shows up in the news the next day and throughout the week.

...Friday is also PAYDAY:peace: for most of the known world.........ok maybe just America
 
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...Friday is also PAYDAY:peace: for most of the known world.........ok maybe just America
I think it is over here in the UK too, my history teacher keeps reminding us that it's payday some time soon (I never listen)
 
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If the full GM 204 die is 2048 cores, how do you expect a 2304 or 2560 part to eventuate?
Bear in mind that the GM 204 replaces the GK 104 (1536 shaders) in the vendors hierarchy, not the GK 110.
G80 -> GT200 -> GF100/110 -> GK110 -> GM 200
G92 -> M.I.A. -> GK104/114 -> GK104 -> GM204
New GPU in the same general performance range doesn't automatically mean it replaces the SKU's. I don't think anyone is expecting the fully enabled Tonga (285X) Volcanic Islands to replace the Hawaii (Sea Islands) GPU are they?
The 285 and 285X are both smaller numbers than 290 and 290X. The 980 is a bigger number than the 780 Ti and slightly slower which is misleading because in the past the bigger number was always better.
 
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I have trouble believing it will be released on a Friday. As a general rule of PR, you put out bad news on Fridays to minimize publicity since there is less chance of the press reporting on it over the weekend compared to a weekday. If you want to maximize publicity, you release on a Monday so that it shows up in the news the next day and throughout the week.
I'll buy that. I was under the impression that the reveal (announcement) was the 18th/19th, but cards wouldn't straight away - likely at the beginning of a week as you said. I'm guessing W1zzards "thanks" on your post backs up that assertion also, as would a Mon-Tues launch day if some of the scores leaking out are any indication.
The 285 and 285X are both smaller numbers than 290 and 290X. The 980 is a bigger number than the 780 Ti and slightly slower which is misleading because in the past the bigger number was always better.
Firstly, the GTX 680 (second tier GPU) outperformed the GTX 580 (top tier GPU). Precedent...as is the reverse (GTX 650 Ti Boost outperforming the GTX 750 TI) The naming conventions don't always make logical sense for either company since the HD 6870 also fell short of the HD 5870 - and yes I'm aware that AMD shifted their numerical naming convention up one sequence for N.I. but it still doesn't alter the "one number is bigger than the other" argument you're making.
 
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Firstly, the GTX 680 (second tier GPU) outperformed the GTX 580 (top tier GPU). Precedent...as is the reverse (GTX 650 Ti Boost outperforming the GTX 750 TI) The naming conventions don't always make logical sense for either company since the HD 6870 also fell short of the HD 5870 - and yes I'm aware that AMD shifted their numerical naming convention up one sequence for N.I. but it still doesn't alter the "one number is bigger than the other" argument you're making.

You are messing very annoyingly, as the guys from nvidia do, it's simply their greed and marketing frauds doing this. It is a new generation of video cards, 700 series was a thing of the past, now there is a new one, and of course, they even skipped the 800 series.

It is almost like rebranding. Very very bad and misleading. One needs to monitor very closely not to be misled by these numbering shenanigans.

Until very recently, everything with numbers was ok, now it came as a dirty idea in their minds. Wondering why they waste their times and don't think of something better.

In an ideal, honest and good world, these GM204 would be put in GTX 860 Ti, 860, etc. But no, it is in 980 and 970.
 
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If the full GM 204 die is 2048 cores, how do you expect a 2304 or 2560 part to eventuate?
Bear in mind that the GM 204 replaces the GK 104 (1536 shaders) in the vendors hierarchy, not the GK 110.
G80 -> GT200 -> GF100/110 -> GK110 -> GM 200
G92 -> M.I.A. -> GK104/114 -> GK104 -> GM204
New GPU in the same general performance range doesn't automatically mean it replaces the SKU's. I don't think anyone is expecting the fully enabled Tonga (285X) Volcanic Islands to replace the Hawaii (Sea Islands) GPU are they?

That's exactly the problem. That they decided that the GM204 would be a 2048 core, 180W part. I expected a bit more than that. It's not like they said "there's nothing we can do about it, it must be a 2048 core part", they could design it to be a bit more beefier.
 
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You are messing very annoyingly
Sorry if the facts get in the way of your imaginary world. If you're more keen on making this a personal thing rather than a factual thing we can go that way, no problem.
as the guys from nvidia do, it's simply their greed and marketing frauds doing this. It is a new generation of video cards, 700 series was a thing of the past, now there is a new one, and of course, they even skipped the 800 series.
1. I think you'll find that the 800 series are alive and well as mobile MXM's
2. The 700 series were a mix or architectures (Fermi and Kepler). The R5/R7/R9 series from AMD is also a mix of architectures - not just Volcanic Islands and Southern Islands but the 4.5 year old Evergreen series and the 3.5 year old Northern Islands - yet Nvidia are greedy and marketing frauds and you've never said a word against AMD's conglomeration of architectures or their "skipping" of the HD 8000 series. Quite an oversight
It is almost like rebranding. Very very bad and misleading. One needs to monitor very closely not to be misled by these numbering shenanigans.
Yet you choose to overlook AMD's rebranding. Is rebranding suddenly gaining importance for you personally over the last few months?......this is shades of your diatribe regarding the importance of double precision which suddenly became disinterest when AMD cut the rate from 1:4 in Tahiti to 1:16 in Tonga.
Until very recently, everything with numbers was ok, now it came as a dirty idea in their minds. Wondering why they waste their times and don't think of something better.
The consumer doesn't win in any event. What is the difference between a whole new naming nomenclature with the same silicon ( 9800GTX+ -> GTS 250, HD 7970 -> R9 280X) or an incremental change in numbers? There is no substitute for doing your homework before making a purchase, and there certainly isn't any truth to the rumour that marketing is designed to make the facts crystal clear to the consumer.
That's exactly the problem. That they decided that the GM204 would be a 2048 core, 180W part. I expected a bit more than that. It's not like they said "there's nothing we can do about it, it must be a 2048 core part", they could design it to be a bit more beefier.
Probably reflects the economics of the time. Discrete graphics card sales are down, and process costs will go up. It seems likely that Maxwell (and AMD's Tonga etc) will both be die shrunk on TSMC's 16nmFF process, so getting the highest performance for the yield without pricing themselves out of the market will be the order of the day.
Large dies tend to pay for themselves through professional board sales, but that is a finite market so it becomes very unproductive to apply a large GPU down the consumer product stack.
 
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It seems likely that Maxwell (and AMD's Tonga etc) will both be die shrunk on TSMC's 16nmFF process

I hope you are wrong and AMD actually go to 20 nm first as soon as possible. nvidia can follow afterwards with 16 nm.

The consumer doesn't win in any event.

Sure, companies always tend to give customers the smallest possible sellable quantity and quality.
And they are very stupid for doing so.
First because actually not their employees but the customers are their greatest asset, and second, because they can up the quality of what they offer to the maximum so customers are not forced to buy the product and at the same time to curse the company for the price.

When giving higher quality, they will still improve over generations, and will look better in our eyes. The standard itself will be higher.

Discrete graphics card sales are down

Normal, how do you expect sales to climb after what I'm telling you. Customers are not happy and it will get worse.

nvidia will go blindly in their way because they say so. :rolleyes:

Do you think that customers will not buy with the same 'success' a $599.99 GTX 860 Ti compared to the same $599.99 GTX 980? :D
 
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First because actually not their employees but the customers are their greatest asset, and second, because they can up the quality of what they offer to the maximum so customers are not forced to buy the product and at the same time to curse the company for the price.
When giving higher quality, they will still improve over generations, and will look better in our eyes. The standard itself will be higher.
Discrete boards sold to enthusiasts are a drop in the bucket. The vast majority of sales are to OEMs who pretty much demand a new product every holiday season, and the people who buy an OEM system are more often than not buying a whole system rather than a mix and match set of components.
Theoretically, both companies could put out their most cutting edge products - but once you start, ANY slip in timetable brings criticism, and ANY part failing to measure up to any perceived metric previously reached will start getting the haters out in force. 4K is barely relevant as a statistic in usage, yet a significant portion of forum users across the net are whining and moaning about the lack of 5K and 8K support.
Give the consumer what they want and they just want more, and as for tech "enthusiasts", I've yet to meet any significant number that are content with ANY aspect of technology. You'd be hard pressed to find a bigger bunch of self entitled ramblers anywhere. Give people a 150W card that does the job of a 250W card from the previous generation and they'll whine that it should be sub-30W and passive, give people HDMI 2.0 and they'll whine about (possibly) no DisplayPort 1.3 connectivity... or the card not being single slot, not shiny enough, not the right colour, not quiet enough, not cool enough, too big, too small (Hey! that doesn't look like a premium card!), not enough accessories they'll never use anyway - the list is endless. Like it or not, multi-billion dollar companies don't cater to a miniscule percentage of the market, especially one that will never be satisfied. You could provide a card that is butter smooth on a demanding title at 4K with 8 x SSAA/DoF/motion blur/HDAO applied, and the first thing out of a lot of peoples mouths would be a complaint that the company had previously been holding back, or the driver package is too large, or the software utilities aren't meaningful enough, or most likely - that the company cheated you because you can't push 2 volts through it. :laugh:

It's been this way for a while. The number of people of confuse "tech enthusiast" with "hyper-critical user with unrealistic expectations" seems to grow larger every product cycle. Intel could no doubt transform their 18-core E5-2699v3 into a desktop part, but how would they continue to keep topping something like that? The moment they slip up and "only" produce a 30-core next time around you have a bunch of people complaining because the rate of progress isn't to their satisfaction - basically back to square one. Sometimes, you just have to apply real world values rather than a wish list - businesses are about sustainability. and they'd soon go out of business if they had to come up with a new process node every year and offer cards for relative peanuts when they have to fork out $7+K per wafer.
Normal, how do you expect sales to climb after what I'm telling you. Customers are not happy and it will get worse.
The major reason discrete board sales are down is because of iGP's. Not everyone games, and of those who do, a fair percentage are casual or playing some inane flash PoS. Once upon a time integrated graphics were just a method for OEMs to cheap out on finding away to display video. That isn't really the case anymore when the vast majority of desktop processors include graphics - that is why sales are falling.
 
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After Nvidia was hyping Volta as the next big thing earlier this year, I think it's not that prudent to expect too much out of NVidia GPUs until then. More power savings, and thereby lower cost of ownership, while maintaining decent performance for the same dollar, while increasing profitability, seems like one of the most excellent business maneuvers ever. It's hard to pull off that many successes all at the same time for any other company...

It's not like we have games or anything that really truly requires more, consoles are stagnant for a few years, and the only thing that can push GPU needs in the consumer market is higher-resolution monitors, and 3k/4k monitors have yet to gain traction. Looking at this from a business perspective, it's pretty exciting.
 

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The major reason discrete board sales are down is because of iGP's. Not everyone games, and of those who do, a fair percentage are casual or playing some inane flash PoS. Once upon a time integrated graphics were just a method for OEMs to cheap out on finding away to display video. That sn't really the case anymore when the vast majority of desktop processors include graphics - that is why sales are falling.

Yep, I foresee the day eventually when there are no more discrete graphics cards...I can only hope it will be because the Intel and AMD have come up with the graphics processing power we have in discrete cards now and beyond, and not because we've been forced to settle for cheap, browser based flash games. But definitely, the low end, where the majority of GPU sales were, has almost been negated.
 
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After Nvidia was hyping Volta as the next big thing earlier this year, I think it's not that prudent to expect too much out of NVidia GPUs until then. More power savings, and thereby lower cost of ownership, while maintaining decent performance for the same dollar, while increasing profitability, seems like one of the most excellent business maneuvers ever. It's hard to pull off that many successes all at the same time for any other company...

It's not like we have games or anything that really truly requires more, consoles are stagnant for a few years, and the only thing that can push GPU needs in the consumer market is higher-resolution monitors, and 3k/4k monitors have yet to gain traction. Looking at this from a business perspective, it's pretty exciting.
Yea it seems to be that way, but I still believe the next gen should at least be superior to the parts it replaces which I am still hoping it will be. I guess the point of Maxwell is exactly what they put as the focus which is lower power. But I will say Cadaveca you have not yet seen Ryse being design for 4k ;)

I'm still waiting for motherboards to be focused on socketed GPUs, and for CPUs to be add-in.
On that day I think I will have to laugh when I think back at this conversation.
 
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Indeed, this is a great conversation! My take is that I won't any better off in replacing my 780Ti with a 980. Since I'm extremely happy with my 780Ti there's no good reason to replace it.
 
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