Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Operating System

[The Von Matrices]

For example, try to type an entire page of text, nothing will be faster than a good keyboard that can achieve 400+ strokes per minute. I can only see that being beaten when we can control software with our mind so without input devices, or when we actually have chips in our brain that allow us to think faster. These are things reserved for a next generation so it will be a while before we see all keyboards and mice vanish from offices.

I think the argument that the keyboard is popular because it is the best method of input is incorrect.

Here's a counterpoint: Voice communication has always been much faster than using a keyboard to express thoughts. But why has text messaging on cell phones exploded in popularity when people could use the same phone to make voice calls and express the same message faster? For PC use, dictation software is widely available and with the right training can achieve much higher rates of text input compared to a keyboard. Given this, why does barely anyone uses voice communication with a computer?

My supposition is that for most people's usage cases, the speed of input is not limiting; it's the speed of the consumption of information and the speed at which the user can think of new input that is limiting. This is a good argument as for why touch interfaces are for the casual user not all that much of an issue and why neural interfaces won't catch on quickly.

 

[stinger608]

Meh. They did alright by Win7, especially after the fiasco that was Vista. My clients (and myself) will enjoy the return to an actual desktop with start menu, and I actually like the tile set on the right of the start menu. Multiple desktops will be nice, especially if they can be hotkeyed like some third-party software. Would be better if it was able to dedicate cores to a desktop, but my money is on "not". Still, I'll snag the tech preview, dump it on a box or two and see how it runs. Can't really be worse than Win 8

If we look at Microsoft's track record, they are pretty much due for a decent OS;

98: not so good
98SE: Much better.
ME: terrible
XP: pretty good OS
Vista: Well, just crap LOL
Win 7: Much much better
Win 8: Well, we all know the controversy on this
Win 10: Hey, with the above track record it should be a pretty good one.

 

[Ahhzz]

Windows 8/8.1 is fine. I'm enjoying using it more than Windows 7; it's snappier all round. It saddens me that the enthusiasts around here can't figure out how to install something like Start8 or StartIsBack and actually use the OS.

Windows 8 is fine! Just go add a bunch of third party apps to make it look like Windows 7, and it's fine!!

 

[stinger608]

Windows 8 is fine! Just go add a bunch of third party apps to make it look like Windows 7, and it's fine!!

Hell, just the 8.1 update and installing ClassicShell makes it a very usable os.

 

[Arjai]

8.1 was a definite improvement. I see Win 7 machines and think, my goodness, these folks are missing out!

Boot to desktop. A much improved search. Metro windows with minimize and exit. The Start Menu is over rated. I have to slog through Win 7 when I remote with my Brother. It sucks folks, face it. It's a larger change than 98-XP-7 was but, IT IS BETTER.

I know, I was a real hater of 8. Because it deserved it! But, then they fixed it. 8.1, it's as though Metro doesn't exist, until you need it. Instead of Metro is all and you were forced to use it just to gain a desktop!

I could go on...faster, smaller drive footprint, over all snappier. I have even come across web blogs claiming games run better on 8.1.

IDK, not a hardcore gamer. I will not speculate nor watch the hype video nor do any Beta testing. I will wager that it will be a better OS, because MS has been trying lately, very recently, to improve their products for us, the user's.

As much as I would love to see a new, ground up, remake that was lightweight and quick but, nothing like a Chromebook OS.

The wheel is still round but, they are not all the same, are they? Maybe someday.....

 

[Prima.Vera]

So...literally 10 is going to be what 8 should have been had the design team not been huffing paint...makes sense. They still gotta prove it tho and we'll know by launch if it sinks or swims depending on how many get downgrade options.

Basically 10 will be for 8, what 7 was for Vista.

It's surprising how some talk about the current desktop design failing. I still feel keyboard and mouse is superior to any touch screens and allows me to finish tasks way quicker. For example, try to type an entire page of text, nothing will be faster than a good keyboard that can achieve 400+ strokes per minute. I can only see that being beaten when we can control software with our mind so without input devices, or when we actually have chips in our brain that allow us to think faster. These are things reserved for a next generation so it will be a while before we see all keyboards and mice vanish from offices.

If somebody will bring a revolutionary voice detector software on the table, I would be sold. Even nowadays, with the current POS voice recc system from MS, I can open programs, write emails, play songs, movies, etc. But it still doesn't feel natural and realistic enough. Same with SIRI from Apple or simmilar from Google.

 

[natr0n]

I need an ISO!!!

 

[ne6togadno]

You mean ExFAT?

i want to see something like those in consumer grade os. they already have started with something similar but only for win8 server. we can only hope it will make it in win10 as default file sys

 

[micropage7]

Windows 8/8.1 is fine. I'm enjoying using it more than Windows 7; it's snappier all round. It saddens me that the enthusiasts around here can't figure out how to install something like Start8 or StartIsBack and actually use the OS.

yeah that true win 8 offer something better but MS cant package it in good box so people just throw it out the window
personally i think win 8 "push" user to get familiar with tiles interface like win phone and they forgot that pc is more complex than phone which just run app, run home button or run app and press back

btw what i expect fron win 10 is light OS, and easy to run

 

[Aquinus]

i want to see something like those in consumer grade os. they already have started with something similar but only for win8 server. we can only hope it will make it in win10 as default file sys

I don't because everything including OS X and Linux already supports NTFS. It tooks years for NTFS to become supported in most major operating systems. If they switch it again I suspect we'll have to wait at least a year or two for a half decent driver for other OS'. Considering that NTFS is just about as quick as EXT4, I don't think MS needs to change it unless there is something about it that actually is becoming a bottleneck, but unlike FAT32, NTFS is still working just fine and hasn't hit any of its limits yet with normal workloads.

I added a couple you forgot about and made an adjustment.

3.11-95: Not very good
98: Not much better.
98SE: Much better.
Windows NT 4: On par with 98SE (as an OS, compatibility could be a bear with DOS apps.)
ME: terrible
2000: Good, solid OS.
XP: pretty good OS
Vista: Well, just crap LOL Initially bad, after service packs, practically the same as Windows 7 after.
Win 7: Much much better
Win 8: Well, we all know the controversy on this
Win 10: Hey, with the above track record it should be a pretty good one.

 

[dj-electric]

To me, it's quite amazing how he demos features that existed in Linux enviorments over a dacade ago.

 

[remixedcat]

reFS rundown for those that talked about it:

note: as of now you can't boot off a reFS volume. reFS is primarily for server storage arrays and not the actual OS itself yet.

Also not to be used on DOMAIN CONTROLLERS.

I have server 2012 and it has support for it. I can't try it tho, as I need to keep NTFS for compatibility and portability reasons. However, once I build a storage array I will prolly switch to reFS and try it out... IF I FIND A GOOD RAID CONTROLLER.

Removed features

Some NTFS features were removed and unsupported in the initial versions of ReFS. These included named streams, object IDs, 8.3 filename, NTFS compression, Encrypting File System (EFS), transactional NTFS, hard links, extended attributes, and disk quotas.[10][3] ReFS does not itself offer data deduplication.[10] In addition, Windows cannot be booted from a ReFS volume.[10] Dynamic disks with mirrored or striped volumes are replaced with mirrored or striped storage pools provided by Storage Spaces, however, automated error-correction is only supported on mirrored spaces.

Features initially removed include:[14]

    File-based compression
    Disk quotas
    Object identifiers
    Encrypting File System
    Named stream
    Transactions
    Hard links
    Extended file attributes

Windows 8.1 (only in the 64 bit version) is the first client operating system to provide some support for ReFS.

ReFS was initially unsuitable for Microsoft SQL Server instance allocation due to the absence of alternate data streams.[15] However, in Windows 8.1 and Server 2012 R2, ReFS reacquired alternate data streams and automatic correction of corruption when integrity streams are used on parity spaces.[16]
Stability and known issues

Adding thin-provisioned ReFS on top of Storage Spaces (according to a 2012 pre-release article) can fail in a non-graceful manner, in which the volume without warning becomes inaccessible or unmanageable.[7] This can happen, for example, if the physical disks underlying a storage space becomes too full. Smallnetbuilder comments that in such cases, recovery could be "prohibitive" as a "breakthrough in theory" is needed to identify storage space layouts and recover them, which is required before any ReFS recovery of file system contents can be started; therefore it recommends using backups as well.[7]

Other issues identified or suggested for ReFS running on Storage Spaces (its intended design[9]) include:

    Because ReFS was designed not to fail, if failure does occur there are no tools provided to repair it. Third party tools are dependent on reverse engineering the system and (as of 2014) few of these exist.[9]

oh and the features I like about Server 2012/8:

• Improved file explorer UI with more options
• Improved file transfer dialog with speed graph
• Proper multimonitor taskbar and wallpaper support
• Built in .iso mounting and burning
• Better task manager with more info
• OSD volume controls/display
• Built in Hyper-V (previously only avalible in server releases) Please note: however it is a bit stripped down

 

[BorisDG]

I need an ISO!!!

"Isodemo"

 

[ssdpro]

I need an ISO!!!

I'll second that. MS has started making fresh installs a bit more cumbersome for awhile. I don't want to install Windows 8, then update to Windows 8.1, then update to Windows 8.1 Update One just to get Windows 10 to appear in the App Store. Let me download a nice, professional ISO and enter my previous keys etc. Heck, Office 2013 Pro needs to fully download every time you install the stupid thing.

 

[erixx]

http://live.theverge.com/microsoft-windows-9-event-live-blog/

of the event... interesting...

 

[Katanai]

What happened to Windows 9?

I know: maybe seven ate nine.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Because you work and you are not being paid for it. If you didn't know beta tester is a paid position in any software company.

Are you working for this company? No? Didnt think so.

Have you ever downloaded any non RTM alpha/beta builds of previous MS OS's? Yes? Well guess what, you beta tested and didnt get paid for it then either.

Have you ever gotten into a game beta? Were you paid for it? No? Then take a wild guess what?

If we look at Microsoft's track record, they are pretty much due for a decent OS;

98: not so good
98SE: Much better.
ME: terrible
XP: pretty good OS
Vista: Well, just crap LOL
Win 7: Much much better
Win 8: Well, we all know the controversy on this
Win 10: Hey, with the above track record it should be a pretty good one.

Technically they skipped 9 which by the track record would have made it good. So since they went straight to 10 which would have been crap, it might be another 2 years of a crap OS no one likes.

 

[Sony Xperia S]

Don't hold your breaths, guys.

This thing will be quite late with release schedule for the end of 2015.

 

[Scrizz]

I use OS X for work. As a developer I spend most of my time in a terminal and in a browser but I don't run into any productivity issues with Linux, Windows, or OS X. I prefer OS X over Windows for development, but I prefer Linux over both of them, but I can do the same thing in all 3 just as well.

THIS! QFT!!

I agree. It's a matter of personal preference. I just hate it when people start saying how "it just works" and spewing all the other garbage. I've used both Windows and Mac OS in professional settings and there have been times I've wanted to throw PCs running each of those OS out of the window.

 

[Scrizz]

If we look at Microsoft's track record, they are pretty much due for a decent OS;

98: not so good
98SE: Much better.
ME: terrible
XP: pretty good OS
Vista: Well, just crap LOL
Win 7: Much much better
Win 8: Well, we all know the controversy on this
Win 10: Hey, with the above track record it should be a pretty good one.

[Redacted]
The only real POS on the list IMHO is ME. The best OSes in that time were 98 and 2000.
Win 95 was miles better than 3.11 spent much time on the solitaire and minesweeper. LOL
Vista was fine. The problem was people were trying to run it with 5-6 year old hardware/peripherals.
With a modern machine, it was fine. I've talked to countless people who talk/talked badly about vista and never even used it.....
Win 7 is like vista light.
Win 8, not the best for a desktop OS(managing wireless connections should not take up half the screen.......)

 

[Sony Xperia S]

Vista was fine. The problem was people were trying to run it with 5-6 year old hardware/peripherals

Do you have a clue that human consumption drives the planet to ecological catastrophe?

Those greedy monkeys at the top should finally realise that not everything is profit and they will not carry the profit with themselves into the graves.

 

[eidairaman1]

Are you working for this company? No? Didnt think so.

Have you ever downloaded any non RTM alpha/beta builds of previous MS OS's? Yes? Well guess what, you beta tested and didnt get paid for it then either.

Have you ever gotten into a game beta? Were you paid for it? No? Then take a wild guess what?

Technically they skipped 9 which by the track record would have made it good. So since they went straight to 10 which would have been crap, it might be another 2 years of a crap OS no one likes.

This is as lame as the google/firefox update numbers

 

[rtwjunkie]

What I found interesting is he showed start menu, search, and snap all as if they were new innovations. All were part of W7! OK, W7 couldn't do 4 snaps, but it's not new.

 

[Ahhzz]

Technical preview available now, 32-bit and 64-bit iso links available here.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Technical preview available now, 32-bit and 64-bit iso links available here.

I think I may actually do this! I just have to decide what computer to sacrifice.