NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti Clock Speeds Revealed

ZoneDymo · May 26, 2015

I just dont get it, who really wants this card?
The Titan X might be the fastest single card but in my book is a major disappointment, lacking the power it should have by a lot.

Its like buying something for (more then) maximum dollar that is outdated day 1.
And now a slower version comes out......well sign me up....right?

the54thvoid · May 26, 2015

ZoneDymo said:
I just dont get it, who really wants this card?

Umm. Me. If the upcoming Fiji card isn't faster then this will probably be my choice, though I'll wait for a custom version.

MxPhenom 216 · May 26, 2015

Captain_Tom said:
That is an EVGA issue there. Never buy from that garbage company unless you enjoy RMA's.

When you buy reference cards which im pretty are all 8800 cards were, its not really EVGA, since they just get the chips, assemble, and throw stickers on the cooler. EVGA is NVIDIA's #1 partner.

64K · May 26, 2015

ZoneDymo said:
I just dont get it, who really wants this card?
The Titan X might be the fastest single card but in my book is a major disappointment, lacking the power it should have by a lot.

Its like buying something for (more then) maximum dollar that is outdated day 1.
And now a slower version comes out......well sign me up....right?

I can understand you being a little disappointed with the high end full chip GPUs. We have become accustomed to getting a die shrink with a new architecture.

Tesla 65nm
Fermi 40nm
Kepler 28nm
Maxwell 28nm

We didn't get a die shrink with Maxwell and so there wasn't as big a leap in performance due to the chip being more efficient so that we could have more performance per watt from that alone as we are used to. Maxwell is actually a damned good architecture when you take this into account for the performance that it does give on the same process as Kepler.

Octavean · May 26, 2015

Captain_Tom said:
That is an EVGA issue there. Never buy from that garbage company unless you enjoy RMA's.

The old 8800GS seemed to be one of the few older single slot cooling solution cards that could perform reasonably well. I always suspected the cooling as the source of the problem. I've had plenty of other eVGA cards that were fine and still are fine. Thats not to say that eVGA didn't do something funky with the cooling or some other aspect of the card.

If I recall correctly the first RMA was very shortly after purchase but that was for many 8800GS cards (possibly not just eVGA labeled). The replacement was new in retail packaging and had a slightly different cooler / fan design (which suggest that they had a problem with the initial design).

As for drivers though, I've had more problems with drivers on ATI cards then nVidia cards. I had to RMA an AIW 1900X card once but that was about it.

Edit:

Like I said before though, I have no grudges either way and I will buy ATI and nVidia cards to this day. If anything I wish there was a third or fourth manufacturer bringing competing GPU's to the market as well.

Captain_Tom · May 26, 2015

sergionography said:
I thought evga was supposed to be the best nvidia partner out there. As for me same here I've had all the problems with nvidia cards, both my Gts250 and after that my msi gtx460 started having screen artifacts and then completely died on me, and it so happened right after the warranty expired each time. I dont upgrade as frequently as most people here so longevity is important for me.AMD/ATI cards are way more future proof than nvidia card in my opinion. From the red camp I currently have my old hd5770 which is still running like a charm on an older phenom 2 gaming rig. And I helped my friend build a gaming rig around an r9 290x which is running very nicely. And as for my current I5 main rig it's running on an old spare hd4650 or something low end like that just until I make up my Mind on something, I'm currently not as hasty since hardly game as much as I used to. Any who maybe this round is the time for upgrades for me, crossing my fingers.

All I can do is speak from personal experience. Me, and quite literally everyone I have known who had an EVGA card - had it break within a year (Except for maybe one person).

How does everyone know firsthand how good EVGA's customer support is? They must have A LOT of cards break.

But yeah I will also agree that in my experience AMD cards are just hardier overclockers overall.

matar · May 26, 2015

impressive @ $499

Captain_Tom · May 26, 2015

MxPhenom 216 said:
When you buy reference cards which im pretty are all 8800 cards were, its not really EVGA, since they just get the chips, assemble, and throw stickers on the cooler. EVGA is NVIDIA's #1 partner.

I don't think any of me or my friends cards were reference designs. Look here is my experience with nvidia cards:

560 Ti (Me): Broke twice in 8 months
560 Ti (Brother): Broken SLI flicker
460 SE (Friend 1): Broke in 8 months
650 Ti (Friend 1): Broke within 6 months
560 Ti (Friend 2): Broke twice in 4 months
560 Ti (Friend 3): Still working

We all switched and you can see why. We never abused these cards AT ALL. Meanwhile we have had 5750, 6870, 6850's, 7970's, many 7950's, and 6450 that have never had any problems no matter how much we overclock them.

P.S. Any of my friends with non-EVGA nvidia cards had zero issues as far as I know.

Uplink10 · May 26, 2015

64K said:
Maxwell is actually a damned good architecture when you take this into account for the performance that it does give on the same process as Kepler.

It would be a better solution to first switch to a very low manufacturing process where you will be stuck for a lot of years and then start optimizing architecture than to start optimizing architecture on 28nm manufacturing process.

the54thvoid · May 26, 2015

Captain_Tom said:
I don't think any of me or my friends cards were reference designs. Look here is my experience with nvidia cards:

560 Ti (Me): Broke twice in 8 months
560 Ti (Brother): Broken SLI flicker
460 SE (Friend 1): Broke in 8 months
650 Ti (Friend 1): Broke within 6 months
560 Ti (Friend 2): Broke twice in 4 months
560 Ti (Friend 3): Still working

We all switched and you can see why. We never abused these cards AT ALL. Meanwhile we have had 5750, 6870, 6850's, 7970's, many 7950's, and 6450 that have never had any problems no matter how much we overclock them.

P.S. Any of my friends with non-EVGA nvidia cards had zero issues as far as I know.

I think I had (from EVGA):

260 SSC
580 SC
780ti Classified Hydrocopper (current)
780ti Classified (custom block - also hydrocopper).

Both 780ti's massively overclocked above 1350Mhz on custom BIOS at 1.35v (PSU overloaded and shut down). First card actually rocked up to 1386Mhz at 1.37v before sli.

A lot of folk rubbish brands but it's really an availability heuristic. I've never had a card fail my most recent AMD were 5850's and 7970's. They didn't fail either. I'm sure you could browse selectively but this is the first thing i came across:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...e-Rates-by-Generation-563/#NVIDIAFailureRates

No mention of brands but the generic is that AMD of late are actually worse.

Arjai · May 26, 2015

the54thvoid said:
No mention of brands but the generic is that AMD of late are actually worse.

They did mention the Brand. ASUS. For both AMD and Nvidia cards, that their data is based on.

the54thvoid · May 26, 2015

Arjai said:
They did mention the Brand. ASUS. For both AMD and Nvidia cards, that their data is based on.

Yar, I meant that it wasn't a brand comparison. It's luck of the draw for the most part anyway.

MxPhenom 216 · May 26, 2015

Uplink10 said:
It would be a better solution to first switch to a very low manufacturing process where you will be stuck for a lot of years and then start optimizing architecture than to start optimizing architecture on 28nm manufacturing process.

this makes absolutely no sense.

Casecutter · May 26, 2015

the54thvoid said:
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...e-Rates-by-Generation-563/#NVIDIAFailureRates

No mention of brands but the generic is that AMD of late are actually worse.

Incorrect it mentions a brand in the 5/5/2014 Update: "We've received some questions about what brands and models of card we used. We primarily use Asus DirectCU cards whenever possible, and the basic Asus models when there are not DirectCU versions available. It is possible that the high failure rates are limited to Asus cards, but we have used Asus as our primary supplier for video cards for a long time now..."

As we never are provided the actual types of failures it's odd to speculate it is from the AMD chips themselves as I'm sure both AMD and Asus would have dyno/check/quality to sort prior to surface mounting to the PCB. Puget Systems only in-house testing found more immediate shortcomings, 5 min Furmark probably being the worst, and one stress test that of late which is recognized by Nvidia card and limits power.

Actually Asus was known for issue with its DirectCU implementation for the first Hawaii production, and this perhaps being reported, plainly cooling or Asus PCB quality.

Puget Systems comes across as "advertising" it is more AMD reference card condition although one should see it as an Asus shortcoming, almost to the point it smelled as some sort of "Tier 0" stunt from the time period.

xorbe · May 26, 2015

Captain_Tom said:
560 Ti (Me): Broke twice in 8 months
560 Ti (Brother): Broken SLI flicker
460 SE (Friend 1): Broke in 8 months
650 Ti (Friend 1): Broke within 6 months
560 Ti (Friend 2): Broke twice in 4 months
560 Ti (Friend 3): Still working

560 / 560 Ti cards were the worst they ever made, so many of them needed a notch of voltage. Easily fixed by a custom flash, but very few have any interest in that of course. All of my EVGA SC cards have been trash, I either had to down-clock-flash or up-volt-flash.

Anyway, 980Ti looks set to deliver good performance, as long as the 6GB cap is minded.

TheinsanegamerN · May 26, 2015

Captain_Tom said:
I don't think any of me or my friends cards were reference designs. Look here is my experience with nvidia cards:

560 Ti (Me): Broke twice in 8 months
560 Ti (Brother): Broken SLI flicker
460 SE (Friend 1): Broke in 8 months
650 Ti (Friend 1): Broke within 6 months
560 Ti (Friend 2): Broke twice in 4 months
560 Ti (Friend 3): Still working

We all switched and you can see why. We never abused these cards AT ALL. Meanwhile we have had 5750, 6870, 6850's, 7970's, many 7950's, and 6450 that have never had any problems no matter how much we overclock them.

P.S. Any of my friends with non-EVGA nvidia cards had zero issues as far as I know.

Meanwhile, my experience with EVGA has been quite the opposite.

550ti sli (me) bought a week after release, still work to this day.
550ti sli 2GB (friend 1) both work, were just upgraded
geforce 770 sli (friend 2) running on 1200 mhz OC for a year, plenty of time in folding@home, both still work great
geforce 660 (friend 2) still running, used as folding@home server
geforce 580 (friend 3) was still working as of a year ago, when it was sold.
geforce 780 (friend 3) still working

only the 550ti gpus were reference models, the rest were custom PCBs. reference high end models seem to have issues, but those 550tis were just tanks.

I myself went with pny's 3 fan 770s, wonderful cards, but would have gone with evga if these didnt exist.

xkm1948 · May 27, 2015

390x is just Hawaii rebrand, 980Ti will blow 390x into smithereens. AMD f*cked up big time this round

Captain_Tom · May 27, 2015

xkm1948 said:
390x is just Hawaii rebrand, 980Ti will blow 390x into smithereens. AMD f*cked up big time this round

We can hope that the 390X runs on Tonga but yeah otherwise it will just be ~13% Stronger than the 980 and while it will beat the 980 by a little it won't beat the 980 Ti unless a game uses more than 5.5GB.

Captain_Tom · May 27, 2015

TheinsanegamerN said:
Meanwhile, my experience with EVGA has been quite the opposite.

550ti sli (me) bought a week after release, still work to this day.
550ti sli 2GB (friend 1) both work, were just upgraded
geforce 770 sli (friend 2) running on 1200 mhz OC for a year, plenty of time in folding@home, both still work great
geforce 660 (friend 2) still running, used as folding@home server
geforce 580 (friend 3) was still working as of a year ago, when it was sold.
geforce 780 (friend 3) still working

only the 550ti gpus were reference models, the rest were custom PCBs. reference high end models seem to have issues, but those 550tis were just tanks.

I myself went with pny's 3 fan 770s, wonderful cards, but would have gone with evga if these didnt exist.

Lucky you.

TheinsanegamerN · May 27, 2015

xkm1948 said:
390x is just Hawaii rebrand, 980Ti will blow 390x into smithereens. AMD f*cked up big time this round

I believe you are talking about the 380x? the 390x is a new GPU.

Fluffmeister · May 27, 2015

TheinsanegamerN said:
I believe you are talking about the 380x? the 390x is a new GPU.

Fiji is of course new, but the latest rumours suggest the 390X is a going to be a 8GB 290X:

http://videocardz.com/55659/leaked-driver-confirms-hawaii-rebrands-in-radeon-300-series

This ties in with Fiji having a new brand name, maybe true, maybe not, either way OMG release something new already AMD.

RealNeil · May 27, 2015

Octavean said:
If anything I wish there was a third or fourth manufacturer bringing competing GPU's to the market as well.

^^^This^^^

I'll go by reviews that come out and then choose what I want to get.

Slizzo · May 27, 2015

Fluffmeister said:
Fiji is of course new, but the latest rumours suggest the 390X is a going to be a 8GB 290X:

http://videocardz.com/55659/leaked-driver-confirms-hawaii-rebrands-in-radeon-300-series

This ties in with Fiji having a new brand name, maybe true, maybe not, either way OMG release something new already AMD.

I believe you may have substituted some numbers in your sentence there. Your link proves nothing except that some from of Radeon R300 is going to be a rebrand. It's pretty well known and accepted that the 390 and 390X are going to be new silicon.

Fluffmeister · May 27, 2015

Slizzo said:
I believe you may have substituted some numbers in your sentence there. Your link proves nothing except that some from of Radeon R300 is going to be a rebrand. It's pretty well known and accepted that the 390 and 390X are going to be new silicon.

We shall see!

Same story, Guru3D twist:

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-radeon-r9-390r9-380r9-370-and-r9-360-series-rebrands.html

Hilbert said:
Not possible with gen 1 .. HBM V1 is max four stacks each with a max of four 256GB layers, thus 4GB in total - AMD resistantly confirmed that in recent conference call with me. And if you look at the ASUS SKU: ASUS R9390X-DC2-8GD5

You'll see 8GD5 at the end, that is short for 8GB GDDR5, thus not HBA and thus not Fiji. 390 = Hawaii, I have no doubt.

GhostRyder · May 27, 2015

xkm1948 said:
390x is just Hawaii rebrand, 980Ti will blow 390x into smithereens. AMD f*cked up big time this round

R9 390X is supposed to be (Err rumored) a Tonga updated 8gb R9 290X that will bump the performance up and makes it intended to compete with the GTX 980. The actual Fiji chips (Fiji Pro and XT if they do both which is highly probable because there will be some chips not perfect) are going to be different names and be the competition for the GTX 980ti and Titan X supposedly. Though right now there are more rumors out there than there is fact so who really knows. Fact is though there will be a new chip this round and they are not straight up rebranding everything including the top end. If they didn't release something new then it would mean trouble and we probably would have seen it already.

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