Radeon Fury to be slower than GTX 980 Ti

[R-T-B]

Actually, while AMD did up the clocks on the 7970, most of the performance difference has come from AMD's so-called horrible drivers improving the performance of all GCN cards more than Nvidia improved Kepler's performance. Back in the day GTX 680 beat HD 7970, now the R9 280X beats the GTX 770 (which is an overclocked 680) by a fair margin while having 1 GB more VRAM. With current drivers even the original 7970 beats the GTX 770 (= overclocked 680), as you can see in GhostRyder's link. So, in this case AMD didn't really need to raise clocks to compete. They wanted to get the most powerful GPU crown and a higher price (= fatter margins) for Tahiti, and it was succesful. The 7970 GHz Edition was the most powerful single-GPU card until the Titan was released.

About tesselation performance, the R9 285 (Tonga) is decent at it, so Fury likely won't exactly suck in it either.

You do realize the R9 280X is the original 7970 at Ghz edition clocks, right?

 

[purecain]

The 980ti wont cure your intolerance to hackers though.

its weird, I only ever noticed them on that one version of bf... I still play every other multiplayer game just fine... so im still happy pc gaming... obviously if I ever started playing bf again it would be an issue on the servers available to me with the lowest ping(but I wont). cant pull myself away from the witcher and destiny has been a lot of fun on the xbox one... im sure pc multiplayer will be back in my favour when the right title comes out. it gave me the push to want to learn coding so something positive came out of it in the end..

btw cant wait for tomorrow.... either a titan x or AMD's fury will be on its way...

 

[SonicZap]

You do realize the R9 280X is the original 7970 at Ghz edition clocks, right?

Yes, I know that. What about it?

 

[R-T-B]

Yes, I know that. What about it?

As in, they did need an overclock. You're comparing the R9 280 benchmarks (overclocked) to a 770.... Though I suppose that is overclocked 680 as well...

I guess it's early. Not sure what I was getting at lol.

 

[GhostRyder]

Hairworks uses a standard in DX11, not nvidia's fault AMD's cards suck in doing it.


When gtx680 was released it beat the 7970 by a bit. AMD had to re-release the 7970 with clocks upp'ed to 1ghz to make it compete.

They bumped it to the same frequency area as the GTX 680 started at which was 1ghz. Doing that put it over the top while there were already after market variants at that area and beyond. I could argue the reverse and say the GTX 770 raised its core clocks to the limit later to compete with the R9 280X which was clocked the same as the HD 7970ghz edition (Yet in that case the R9 280X still out performs it overall).

The problem is, ONLY Fury. The rest will be the same shit as almost 2 years ago. Yay...

We will have to see I guess, I am hoping it runs on GCN 1.2 as it would at least offer some nice improvements at least enough to satisfy for now. However if it really is just a core clock bumped/4 more gb/slightly more mature silicon graphics card then I like many others will be disappointed...

 

[purecain]

id not seen any retail packaging so thought I'd post it up... it says 8gb GDDR5 so I don't know what to make of it.. infact this has gotta be photoshopped.. someone just posted it to AMD's facebook page... looks fake now im actually reading everything...
okay it aint fake...

 

[RejZoR]

They bumped it to the same frequency area as the GTX 680 started at which was 1ghz. Doing that put it over the top while there were already after market variants at that area and beyond. I could argue the reverse and say the GTX 770 raised its core clocks to the limit later to compete with the R9 280X which was clocked the same as the HD 7970ghz edition (Yet in that case the R9 280X still out performs it overall).


We will have to see I guess, I am hoping it runs on GCN 1.2 as it would at least offer some nice improvements at least enough to satisfy for now. However if it really is just a core clock bumped/4 more gb/slightly more mature silicon graphics card then I like many others will be disappointed...

But if performance is identical to R9-290X, then I find it very unlikely to use GCN 1.2. I want to believe it will have it, but nothing is pointing into that direction. I might eat whole closet of shoes if it turns out to actually be GCN 1.2...

 

[purecain]

nope the R9 390x and 390 are definatly using the same Hawaii core. no alterations. exactly the same pcb. AMD have improved bandwidth by 50mb sec using faster memory. people with the 8gb version of the 290x should be able to just flash their cards for a firmware upgrade if their Gddr5 mem is fast enough. hopefully a 4gb version becomes available so I can flash my 290x.

no news of the Fury yet, only that it has 4096 cores... that would be enough cores to give the titan x(meant to say 980ti) a run for its money... I am so tempted to buy a titan x(980ti).... its a quality card.....

 

[RejZoR]

Funny thing is, I skipped R9-290X because difference was too small to be worth it for overclocked HD7950. 2 years later and the same thing still stands because they've just rebranded the god damn shit.

 

[the54thvoid]

nope the R9 390x and 390 are definatly using the same Hawaii core. no alterations. exactly the same pcb. AMD have improved bandwidth by 50mb sec using faster memory. people with the 8gb version of the 290x should be able to just flash their cards for a firmware upgrade if their Gddr5 mem is fast enough. hopefully a 4gb version becomes available so I can flash my 290x.

no news of the Fury yet, only that it has 4096 cores... that would be enough cores to give the titan x a run for its money... I am so tempted to buy a titan x.... its a quality card.....

Why would you buy a Titan X when the custom 980ti's are coming out cooler, quieter and 10% faster?
The extra 6gb is all it has, the Titan X has been properly usurped by the 980ti.

 

[64K]

Why would you buy a Titan X when the custom 980ti's are coming out cooler, quieter and 10% faster?
The extra 6gb is all it has, the Titan X has been properly usurped by the 980ti.

and $350 cheaper (USA).

 

[mroofie]

nope the R9 390x and 390 are definatly using the same Hawaii core. no alterations. exactly the same pcb. AMD have improved bandwidth by 50mb sec using faster memory. people with the 8gb version of the 290x should be able to just flash their cards for a firmware upgrade if their Gddr5 mem is fast enough. hopefully a 4gb version becomes available so I can flash my 290x.

no news of the Fury yet, only that it has 4096 cores... that would be enough cores to give the titan x a run for its money... I am so tempted to buy a titan x.... its a quality card.....

Did you forget about the gtx 980 ti ?

You do realize the R9 280X is the original 7970 at Ghz edition clocks, right?

Tell Em

 

[Zero3606]

Why would you buy a Titan X when the custom 980ti's are coming out cooler, quieter and 10% faster?
The extra 6gb is all it has, the Titan X has been properly usurped by the 980ti.

The custom 980 Ti's are overclocked that's the reason why they are faster. I have a Titan X SC and then I overclocked it again and I haven't gotten above 67 degrees and its faster than any custom 980 Ti. I also have it air cooled.

 

[GhostRyder]

The custom 980 Ti's are overclocked that's the reason why they are faster. I have a Titan X SC and then I overclocked it again and I haven't gotten above 67 degrees and its faster than any custom 980 Ti. I also have it air cooled.

The difference though and what makes the GTX 980ti a better value is the custom PCB variants which allow for further overclocking. From what I have seen already the standard one does overclock slightly better as is and then you include those custom PCB's and you can push it to match or beyond the Titan X.

Funny thing is, I skipped R9-290X because difference was too small to be worth it for overclocked HD7950. 2 years later and the same thing still stands because they've just rebranded the god damn shit.

Wait for the Fury Pro, we don't have official pricing and based on the Fury yet and if we look at the pricing of the 390X, its not unlikely to see some around the 5-600 mark. That being said I know you are wanting something a little cheaper but bear in mind we have no official confirmation on every detail yet. Something might surprise us.

 

[RejZoR]

HD7950 was around 350€ when I bought it and it was jolly faster than everything else. Only thing faster was HD7970 at that time.

R9-390X will be ~400€ and it'll be meh faster than my 3 years old graphic card just because of this two time rebranding. It just doesn't compute.

 

[purecain]

I meant the 980ti...doh! im getting my cards mixed up... they are the same core and like you say virtually the same thing.

im hoping amd's fury card beats the 980ti and theres a price war, because if any of the top cards drop below 500 I can pick up two...

I saved a £1000 towards my gpu upgrade... two 980ti's or two amd fury cards would be sweet... and that means I'll have a 290x4gb(390x) going cheap. fully water cooled... runs at 40-45%c @solid1050mhz. without water cooling these cards were always dropping to 800mhz.. my two samples exhibited this behaviour...

 

[RejZoR]

I could buy two Fury X as well, but that would be throwing money out the window and I find that stupid. Vanilla Fury for 400€, fuck yeah, yes please. But they are trying to sell us 2 years old tech for that kind of money. I got a brand new tech HD7950 for 50€ less at 350€. It was unmatched at the time, brand new GCN architecture, 3GB of VRAM, kick ass stuff for very reasonable price.

R9-390X is a ripoff by itself because it's just a rehashed junk from years ago and Fury is a ripoff because it's just overpriced if we extrapolate prices from the R9-390X...

 

[the54thvoid]

Hell, if the Fury card retails on release at or around £500 I'll eat RejZoR's other shoe.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Just two hours guys, the streaming link from E3 is already up.

 

[RejZoR]

They are going to present it on E3? Do you have the link to there? I just have to prepare a pile of shoes and set up the alarm clock...

 

[Ferrum Master]

Hmmm lets see

http://www.twitch.tv/amd/popout

 

[RejZoR]

The webpage is slow like I'm using a 56k modem and I want to stream 8K video through it. It barely even loads even without any video being streamed...

 

[Ferrum Master]

The webpage is slow like I'm using a 56k modem and I want to stream 8K video through it. It barely even loads even without any video being streamed...

It is located in United States, what do you expect?

 

[RejZoR]

Twitch works fine otherwise even when ppl/companies from US stream through it. Just not this time... Hell, I watched GTX 900 series press conference through it...

 

[Ferrum Master]

Twitch works fine otherwise even when ppl/companies from US stream through it. Just not this time... Hell, I watched GTX 900 series press conference through it...

Well as soon the crowd will start to watch it will mirror a buffer of the sources overall the world on each lead ISP in their respective country... it just how internet works...