AMD Doesn't Trust its Own Processors - Project Quantum Driven by Intel Core i7-4790K

[Toothless]

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Should I try to find the TPU article with the title "Intel doesn't trust it's IGPs"?

More like Intel doesn't trust AMD's GPUs so it hires Qualcomm to force NVIDIA to use Samsung technology for DDR5 ram. At least that's what I'm getting from the comments in this thread.

Be a fanboy to everyone, so no one is left out.

 

[mroofie]

Lol the butthurt is real

 

[GreiverBlade]

Be a fanboy to everyone, so no one is left out.

well... from that point of view ...thanking you for that part not for the rest ahah ... intel use the Rogue PowerVR because the Adreno (radeon ... ) is indeed Qualcomm only

Intel I5-4690K
AMD R9 290
Nvidia Shield Tablet

for what's in current use
spare:
GT730 (because you never know when you need one )
GTX670 (because ... eh? nevermind... )

my favorit are my 3 nforce chipset AMD board (2 S939 1 S940)

 

[john_]

Nice try. Intel doesn't have an iGPU IP of the same class as G64xx; whereas AMD claims to have CPUs of the same class as Intel.

LOL, nope! I would have to say the same thing. "Nice try". AMD doesn't compete in the hi end. Their prices is proof.

When you claim to have a chip of the same class as Intel, and you want people to buy your product over Intel, and then you use Intel over your chips in your product, you're telling people that your original claims were imperial tons of bovine defecation.

So much effort to justify Intel. So happy to criticize AMD.
Intel is justified, AMD is not. Why am I not surprised? On the net every company is justified to do anything, AMD never is.[/QUOTE]

Intel does not make extreme low-power graphics IP that it can put into mobile SoCs. But AMD does make CPUs of the same kind, with the same application compatibility, with the same marketing claims, as Intel.

The more you use that PowerVR analogy, the more stupid you make yourself look.

 

[Toothless]

well... from that point of view ...thanking you for that part not for the rest ahah ... intel use the Rogue PowerVR because the Adreno (radeon ... ) is indeed Qualcomm only

Intel I5-4690K
AMD R9 290
Nvidia Shield Tablet

for what's in current use
spare:
GT730 (because you never know when you need one )
GTX670 (because ... eh? nevermind... )

my favorit are my 3 nforce chipset AMD board (2 S939 1 S940)

Intel, G.Skill, Gigabyte, EVGA, Rosewill, MSI, PNY, AMD, ASUS, Western Digital, Toshiba, Hatachi, Seagate, I've used them all and I admit, I favor some over others but the only brand I'm against is ASUS for their inability to check for bad motherboard batches and horrid customer service.

I consider myself on the brown team, because what does blue, red, and green make?

(Short story my board died the same way a bunch of other customers' boards died, while we all ordered the board around the same time period)

Also, my idles are the GTX650 and GTX660 which will go up for sale here soon.

 

[Ubersonic]

Isn't this just an early prototype? They could be using the Intel CPU to show it off because the AMD one isn't ready yet?

 

[GreiverBlade]

Intel, G.Skill, Gigabyte, EVGA, Rosewill, MSI, PNY, AMD, ASUS, Western Digital, Toshiba, Hatachi, Seagate, I've used them all and I admit, I favor some over others but the only brand I'm against is ASUS for their inability to check for bad motherboard batches and horrid customer service.

I consider myself on the brown team, because what does blue, red, and green make?

(Short story my board died the same way a bunch of other customers' boards died, while we all ordered the board around the same time period)

Also, my idles are the GTX650 and GTX660 which will go up for sale here soon.

and here i am all ASUS on my main rig (and some friends rig i did) and never had any problem (no RMA no horrid customer service, eh? )
i guess i am just lucky xD (tho i only listed what i use now ... huhuhu)

 

[btarunr]

Isn't this just an early prototype? They could be using the Intel CPU to show it off because the AMD one isn't ready yet?

Then why not show it off with a Godavari+A88X-ITX board? It's not like they're putting out benchmarks/frame-rates, and I can't imagine a Godavari would bottleneck Fijix2 to unplayable frame-rates?

It's more likely that AMD has chosen Haswell. The choice has been made. And that betrays its CPU lineup.

 

[john_]

The same article from Guru3D
AMD Project Quantum powered by Intel

Okay, so the title sounds a bit ironic, but with Dual-GPU Fiji based GPUs in a small PC, you are going top need quite a bit of processing power. So props to AMD for having the balls to make this choice. BTW I also know there will be an AMD version available, so the choice is yours.

Can you spot the difference?

 

[Caring1]

The same article from Guru3D
Can you spot the difference?

Yep, their spelling sucks.

 

[huguberhart]

So the title should be:
"AMD CPU not powerful enough for ATI's dual Fiji GPU."?

Obviously Intel has more powerful and efficient chips. AMD reps said that Intel CPU is a placeholder until Zen.
The 'no trust in its own' is quite sensationalist for a five day old news.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Then why not show it off with a Godavari+A88X-ITX board? It's not like they're putting out benchmarks/frame-rates, and I can't imagine a Godavari would bottleneck Fijix2 to unplayable frame-rates?

AMD has chosen Haswell. The choice has been made. And that betrays its CPU lineup.

because it's not meant to be used (APU) in that configuration ... (they line the FX8XXX as enthusiast because it's what they are ... and in some kind of task they line up to their intel equivalent, ie: movie/or heavy threaded load a 8350 is not far a 4770/4790, ofc with Skylake ... i don't really know, another example is my trade of a FX6300 to a i5-4690K unless a heavily populated MMO i notice no real difference ... so why did i change, well because i was not bound by a budget anymore. that Quantum is a high end ... and surely not a budget one ... so why not use a intel CPU until Zen is ready)

it doesn't matter at all what CPU they use and AMD (for the XXXth time) is not a CPU only maker: they can choose whatever they want for driving their GPU, no betraying no drama no nothing.

we just should stop worrying on that "Betraying part" and let that go away, as it doesn't matter at all and bring nothing more than speculation and useless debate on the table


little joke ...

 

[btarunr]

So much effort to justify Intel. So happy to criticize AMD.
Intel is justified, AMD is not. Why am I not surprised? On the net every company is justified to do anything, AMD never is.

Firstly sorry, I hit the "edit" button instead of "reply" when replying to your post.

Intel does not make extreme low-power graphics IP that it can put into mobile SoCs. But AMD does make CPUs of the same kind, with the same application compatibility, with the same marketing claims, as Intel.

 

[john_]

Firstly sorry, I hit the "edit" button instead of "reply" when replying to your post.

Intel does not make extreme low-power graphics IP that it can put into mobile SoCs. But AMD does make CPUs of the same kind, with the same application compatibility, with the same marketing claims, as Intel.

Bravo. And bravo again. So, you edit my post and you apologize for that. No problem. But you don't delete what you wrote there. Nice one.

Then you apologize for the edit, and not for calling me stupid. The problem with the PowerVR or the Guru3D article is that shows who the biased is. And the only way to NOT answer that, is to INSULT the other person.
Bravo again. So, that's TPU's "Editor & Senior Moderator" level? Good to know.

 

[Yorgos]

How many times will you people shift goalposts and throw up strawman arguments, before you realise the actual point of this article? Which is:

• AMD is not using an AMD processor in a PC bearing its brand name
• If AMD doesn't use the product-line it's most known for - processors - in its gaming PCs, then it's AMD telling you "don't use our CPUs, we don't use them ourselves."
• AMD is currently selling processors WHICH IT THINKS ARE COMPETITIVE WITH INTEL
• It could have used its own processors, even if it's a lowly Godavari+A88X ITX; if this was just meant to be a proof-of-concept. It would have shown that AMD trusts its own creations
• If Intel-ITX is indeed bound to be final-spec, then instead AMD should have used an FX-8370E + AMD 970 ITX motherboard (which is doable, and AMD designs motherboards itself)

get your facts right dude.
AMD's GPU department is not using AMD processor.
They are marketing GPUs, not CPUs. They might as-well ship it with SPARC, ARM or even z/Architecture if it in fact gives them a better end-product.

OTOH, if it were for the CPU department to ship a new low power SOC(like geode), they will have to use some other's vendor GPU, since the AMD graphics department doesn't produce a low power GPU any more.

I wonder why this site has a title like that and the rest of the internet sees this choice from a different perspective.
I smell butt-hurt from the Fury benchmarks

 

[Yorgos]

The same article from Guru3D
AMD Project Quantum powered by Intel


Can you spot the difference?

guru3d is a well respected site.
yesterday I realized why amd refused to give cards to some reviewers.
take a look at this

 

[SonicZap]

I'm a fan of AMD and I find nothing wrong with the title. I wouldn't trust the highest-end AMD CPU to handle two Fiji GPUs either, and if it was clocked high enough to not be a bottleneck, the TDP would go way over 200 W (see FX-9590). The i7-4790K simply does a better job with far less power, making the system faster and easier to cool.

I was also expecting to see an AMD CPU in Project Quantum, but choosing the i7 makes sense to me. It's not like everyone but the most blind AMD fans wouldn't already know that Intel's desktop Haswell Core i5s and i7s murder all AMD CPUs in gaming. If this Project Quantum is a success, I'd expect their next version to include a Zen-based CPU. Right now they're simply making the system as capable as possible, and with the i7 it's more capable and cooler than with any AMD CPU.

Then why stop at CPUs? AMD should have used two NVIDIA GPUs.

I disagree with that. Fiji supposedly improves power efficiency a lot, and it might compete very well with Maxwell-based GPUs. Also, Project Quantum is for showcasing the power of AMD GPUs in the first place, the CPU isn't as important as the GPUs here.

I personally like btarunr's style and find him far from biased. He points out things like these from all companies, and he does it starkly. Remember what he wrote of Nvidia's drivers when they prevented overclocking laptop GPUs (twice)?

 

[Frick]

The title reeks of qubitness, which is a bad thing.

 

[R-T-B]

Nice try. Intel doesn't have an iGPU IP of the same class as G64xx; whereas AMD claims to have CPUs of the same class as Intel.

Do they really though? I thought they readily admitted they gave up trying to compete on the high end.

I've always been one to defend your willingness to call out both sides for their crap btarunr, but this title is a bit sensationalist if I am being honest.

 

[Yorgos]

I'm a fan of AMD and I find nothing wrong with the title. I wouldn't trust the highest-end AMD CPU to handle two Fiji GPUs either, and if it was clocked high enough to not be a bottleneck, the TDP would go way over 200 W (see FX-9590). The i7-4790K simply does a better job with far less power, making the system faster and easier to cool.

I was also expecting to see an AMD CPU in Project Quantum, but choosing the i7 makes sense to me. It's not like everyone but the most blind AMD fans wouldn't already know that Intel's desktop Haswell Core i5s and i7s murder all AMD CPUs in gaming. If this Project Quantum is a success, I'd expect their next version to include a Zen-based CPU. Right now they're simply making the system as capable as possible, and with the i7 it's more capable and cooler than with any AMD CPU.

I disagree with that. Fiji supposedly improves power efficiency a lot, and it might compete very well with Maxwell-based GPUs. Also, Project Quantum is for showcasing the power of AMD GPUs in the first place, the CPU isn't as important as the GPUs here.

I personally like btarunr's style and find him far from biased. He points out things like these from all companies, and he does it starkly. Remember what he wrote of Nvidia's drivers when they prevented overclocking laptop GPUs (twice)?

what's the point of the Quantum Project? To sell CPUs or to sell GPUs?
Did we read about amd not using a seamicro(in-house) motheboard? no
Did we read about a non-AMD RAM on this platform? No
Someone with enough power to make his opinion widely available, thinks that AMD does not trust a several year old μArchitecture and we are debating on a subject based on an opinion.

 

[ZoneDymo]

Firstly sorry, I hit the "edit" button instead of "reply" when replying to your post.

Intel does not make extreme low-power graphics IP that it can put into mobile SoCs. But AMD does make CPUs of the same kind, with the same application compatibility, with the same marketing claims, as Intel.

with a massive price difference.
If Honda says its S2000 sports car is a high performance vehicle and Ferrari says its Laferrari is a high performance vehicle, and the S2000 goes for 35.000 dollars and the Laferrari goes for 1 million dollars, you think its fair to compare the two head to head?

Your title is just F'd up and even you know it, the main problem is the word "trust".
Like I said earlier (its great how you can choose what comments to respond to), AMD does NOT compete in the high end and haven't been for a while and you (should) know that.
Intel i7-4790k - 340 dollars
AMD FX-8370 - 190 dollars.

Nearly half the price, but for you they are on the same footing?

And hell even part form all of that, 'Trust" does not make any sense at all.
This is 0's and 1's, not "maybe if it tries hard enough".
"we trust this cpu will perform on a higher level then we KNOW it can"
It makes no sense man, they know what their cpu's can do and they know what the competition can do and what they have right now does not do the gpu (which is what its all about) justice.

If your title was "AMD does not deem its own cpus capable/fast enough, 4790k powers Quantum" all would be fine.

 

[Yorgos]

I have a possible legitimate chart from a deleted comment from another site.
Should I post it or I might cause trouble to the site?

 

[ZoneDymo]

Yep, their spelling sucks.

What spelling errors were made?

 

[ZoneDymo]

I have a possible legitimate chart from a deleted comment from another site.
Should I post it or I might cause trouble to the site?

Post away my friend, cant cause any issues

 

[Ferrum Master]

Crap is this Fudzilla? What kind of title is that?

The decision is sane and reasonable in every aspect.