Xeon Owners Club

[dorsetknob]

Not the best Xeon for overclocking
google search shows world record at just over 4ghz
http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/xeon_e3_1230_v3/

 

[Morgoth]

@ Trodos
its a Z800 yea i had issue but i could easly bought adapters for connectors on ebay stil wainting for those cabel adapters then i can powerup this beast

 

[trodas]

Knoxx29 -

nice results, but that is i7 in a way better mainboard.

my mistake, btw maybe the 5650 Overclocked it doesn't have that much to envy to that i7 Chip

We see, depends what chip I get. You know. Silicon lotery. And also it is likely that I won't run 64bit system at all... maybe only for benchmarks. So it is likely that I cannot compete with you at pretty much anything - from the 32MB memory read performance to the 11min, 33:921sec SuperPi 32M.

But my gaming computer got 32M in 9min 59:790sec:
http://hwbot.org/submission/2585953_trodas_superpi___32m_core_i5_750_9min_59sec_790ms

...when you really want to compare apples and oranges

Well, what do YOU suggest that can be cooled w/o noise with hi-end aircooler to acceptable temps? hi-end aircooler? it depends how far you will push the chip. you have 2 options:

Well, I push the chip that hard, untill it hit 70°C on max load with quiet cooling for 24/7 usage. And I did not think that the Artic Extreme cooler is better that my Noctua NH-C14S. Some watercooling with Corsair H110 is probably not going to have better results that the Noctua I mention. Or you have some test that proves me wrong? I get this comparsion os AIO watercoolers: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7738/closed-loop-aio-liquid-coolers

I have had the H100 with my i7 at 4.5, it did the job.

No question about it. But how noisy it is?


CAPSLOCKSTUCK - it really looks very nice for given cooler. Just if I can cool that quietly ... I worry. Xeon still did not manage it, so no way to test anything now How much Vcore bump was need for the 4235MHz in bios?
Base clock to 192MHz is stable?


emissary42 -

It is obvious, that it can take weeks or more. So what? I have to find such kit for the maximum performance

Weeks? More like months or years

Nah, not for me. Already bought Corsair Dominator GT 8-8-8 2000 3x2G kit with Elpida Hypers Call it luck. Cost me more that the board, tough...

I was just trying to recommend looking for other high end hypers as well. There are quite a few other good clocking kits to look out for, mostly those with specs i had mentioned above (like ADATA XPG Plus AX3U2200PB2G8-DP2, Corsair CMGTX2, OCZ3B2000LV6GK, Super Talent WX200UX6G7/WS220UX4G8). If all you care about is getting the best perfect storms, you should be looking for F3-17600CL8D-4GBPS instead of the 2133 kit

Well, I care about kit that give me tightest timings near 800MHz. That is because these good fellas says that:

Using DDR3 1850MHz speeds severely limited my BCLK frequencies. At best I could hit 185MHz and that was all. When I dropped down to DDR3 1600MHz speeds I was able to take the BCLK frequency to 200MHz without issue.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/06/07/msi_x58_proe_motherboard_review/6#.VbTSMoLw7Gh

So if I want high baseclock, then I have to limit myself to 1600MHz effective, eg. 800MHz real for rams. Therefore all I care is, how tight timings the rams have at 800MHz. Nothing else matter. Even that some tests claimed that the Dominators GT have even higher bandwitch and other features compared to similar or even same timed rams, I find that hard to believe. More likely a Corsair advertisment

What are "reasonable voltages" for you? 1.67V, for example?

The best kits will do these settings below 1.65V, but anything up to 1.7V should be safe enough for benching.

Well, in the article linked above the guys complained that they have to set the rams pronto to 1.75V to get even post... So it looks like that I will be doing that too...


Norton -

Good for you. If they have the Elpida MNH-E Hyper chips ( http://ramlist.i4memory.com/ddr3/ ) then they are clearly capable of good results. Looks like Mushkin is proud to show the tightest timings:
Mushkin PC3-12800 Redline 998729 (3x2GB, 1600 6-6-5-18 @ 1.65V, Elpida MNH-E Hyper)
...so, show off some runs, mate!

My s1366 rigs are busy crunching so I'll do some runs when there is nothing left to crunch

I think I hear it begging for pause

If the sticks hold a value for someone making a record run or two I would be more than willing to let them borrow the sticks as long as I have something to put in their place so the rig can keep running w/o downtime. EDIT- according to the link you posted the memory chips are likely:
Elpida BDBG-DJ-F

Yep, that is pretty good chips. They are not Elpida Hypers, no, but still second best ones. With good luck/bin they can run like a wind. On AMD, where is not triplechannel need, they can go 6-6-5 at 870MHz:
http://hwbot.org/submission/924280_don_dan_superpi___32m_phenom_ii_x4_965_be_17min_43sec_330ms
(that is made with Elpida BBSE, they can also do 1000MHz 7-8-7 @ 1.74V SuperPi 1M stable on Rampage Extreme)

So that give you a rough idea, what to expect from these chips.

 

[FireFox]

I did not think that the Artic Extreme cooler is better that my Noctua NH-C14S.

That is something that i cant argue because i never had a Noctua Cooler, btw i have Artic Extreme in 3 of my Cruncher Machines and damn those coolers are amazing.

Well, I push the chip that hard, untill it hit 70°C on max load with quiet cooling for 24/7 usage

i have 2 x X5675 95W full load 24/7 (Crunching) 3,07GHz and temps never went above 70°C.

 

[emissary42]

Nah, not for me. Already bought Corsair Dominator GT 8-8-8 2000 3x2G kit with Elpida Hypers Call it luck. Cost me more that the board, tough...

I was talking about finding those perfect storms. Random 2000 CL8 hypers like those GT are nothing special and not exactly rare either.

So if I want high baseclock, then I have to limit myself to 1600MHz effective, eg. 800MHz real for rams. Therefore all I care is, how tight timings the rams have at 800MHz.

Are you using that exact board from the test? Because other boards like the Gigabyte X58A-OC can do BCLK 250+ and DDR3-2000+ no problem.

 

[trodas]

I was talking about finding those perfect storms.

Yea, but they suxx. They never reach reasonably high clocks, so no interest from me. G.Skill ram's aren't bad, but they are not the best either.

Random 2000 CL8 hypers like those GT are nothing special and not exactly rare either.

Well, any hypers are miles away from anything else. Even their most close siblings, these Elpida BDBG or Elpida BBSE kits are just mediocre. And that is not my words, that is from overclockers and memory experts like Don_Dan and others. Now Hypers 7-8-7 on 2000 kits are quite rare and more of collector's item than anything. Still, you can find them for some extreme prices: http://www.overclock.net/t/1563620/fs-us-corsair-dominator-gt-3x2gb-ddr3-2000c7-elpida-hyper
(as you can see, 1330MHz, 7-8-7-20)

But check these: http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=140151

(as you can see, 1220MHz, 6-9-6-24)

Beat that with some G.Skill Perfect Storms!

So if I want high baseclock, then I have to limit myself to 1600MHz effective, eg. 800MHz real for rams. Therefore all I care is, how tight timings the rams have at 800MHz.

Are you using that exact board from the test? Because other boards like the Gigabyte X58A-OC can do BCLK 250+ and DDR3-2000+ no problem.

Yep, exactly that board, MSI X58 Pro-E. That is why I push for the tightest timings, but not very high clocks. And Gigabyte X58A-OC is not any "other board", but clearly a hi-end product like not much others: http://www.gigabyte.com/fileupload/product/2/3870/4331_big.jpg
The number of tantal-polymer caps near that CPU is staggering and they are pretty good. But since I cannot buy the board (not to mention the price won't be very good either), then the MSI X58 Pro-E is the choice of mine. Also there is a good point about supported CPU's. That hi-end board do not even support Xeon X5650?! http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=3870
LAME.

Supermicro X8SAX does support it: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon3000/X58/X8SAX.cfm ...and I'm going to take the P6 Micro Code module from bios from it. After all, it is almost as easy, as taking the MSI logo from the X58 Pro-E bios:

 

[emissary42]

Well, any hypers are miles away from anything else. Even their most close siblings, these Elpida BDBG or Elpida BBSE kits are just mediocre.

It depends on what you buy them for. On LGA1155/LGA1150 you would rather use good BBSE @ DDR3-2666+ over any Hypers.

But check these: http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=140151

[URLhttp://postimg.org/image/vwsdwfyg5/[/URL] (as you can see, 1220MHz, 6-9-6-24)

So does it say anywhere that this screenshot was made with those GT? It could also be PSC/BBSE (on cold), just saying... ^^

Yep, exactly that board, MSI X58 Pro-E.

Then best of luck with that. Maybe it can boot CL5 at DDR3-1600, just give it a shot.

 

[trodas]

It depends on what you buy them for. On LGA1155/LGA1150 you would rather use good BBSE @ DDR3-2666+ over any Hypers.

This is contrary to recommendations of people, who happens to hold the fastest scores on Earth. Since it does not looks like that their scores are some sort of random mistake, then I would be inclined to belive them rather, that Hypers are the way to go, especially the rare 7-8-7 kits rated 2000
Feel free to use whatever you want. With crazy bad settings everything runs like s*it anyway My first Memtest run on MSI X58 Pro-E:


Hopefully you at least have good laugh. When I fixed the settings, I get 10 800MB/sec speeds w/o any tweaking or overclocking, but this first run was kind of fun

Then best of luck with that. Maybe it can boot CL5 at DDR3-1600, just give it a shot.

Look, the board is tolerable I was not know, what FSB set on the jumpers, so I choosed 166MHz, while X5650 Xeon should have 133 (133x20 = 2660)

Stupid me, but the board hapilly posted and running well even since. 32°C CPU temp? WTF... But chipset is heating up pretty well, time to remove the gun crap TIM and apply AS2



My rams are still on the route, so I hapilly accept some OC suggestions there As I'm a bit slowly orieting myself in the bios

http://valid.canardpc.com/jksvby

SuperPi 1M run is 11.1 something sec, but that is nothing easthshaking, as typical is 9sec:
http://hwbot.org/benchmark/superpi_...=motherboard_22706&cores=#start=0#interval=20

And gosh, this thing IS fast when come to threads! A good example is wPrime 1024M test it pass in 2min 33sec (3664MHz), while the i5 750, overclocked to 3578MHz (as much, as is possible to cool down relatively quietly), need 4min 41sec!
http://hwbot.org/submission/2934743_
http://hwbot.org/submission/2587091_
And I did not even start to overclock the Xeon, much less use the triplechannel ram subsystem... heck, I did not even installed mainboard and GFX card drivers, lol... 12 threads owns on 6 cores. Win7 32bit stripped down version.

 

[trodas]

PS. hey Knoxx29, you SuperPi 32M is 11min 32.579sec - but you need an i7-4770K at 4000MHz & 10-12-12-31 1T rams to that. ( http://www.overclockers.com/forums/...828e703e47f5&attachmentid=130296&d=1374045461 ) Mine Xeon X5650 do SuperPi 32M in just 11min 6sec (26sec faster) at just 3664MHz with poor rams, that do it 9-9-9-24, BUT 2T!!!
http://hwbot.org/submission/2934738_

What do you say now?

 

[FireFox]

What do you say now?

I say that you have picked me wrong because those results that I have showed you aren't mine, those Results were just an example

Check my Machine Specs


Here are my Results:

This is a second Test at 5.0GHz

 

[emissary42]

This is contrary to recommendations of people, who happens to hold the fastest scores on Earth. Since it does not looks like that their scores are some sort of random mistake, then I would be inclined to belive them rather, that Hypers are the way to go, especially the rare 7-8-7 kits rated 2000

No, what i wrote is basically the general conclusion. Maybe just read my above statement again?

If you had looked around a bit, you might have found that i indeed have a set of DDR3-2000 CL7 Blades, some Corsair CMGTX2, lots of other memory and maybe actually know what i am talking about.

Here are my Results: View attachment 66982

For comparison, 3770K @ 4.5 with "garbage" memory and garbage OS:

 

[trodas]

Okay, that is more serious overclock and pretty much better score that I cannot complet with years old, aging system You need mere 29% overclock to get such good results, I struggle to reach more that 48.99% overclock ( http://hwbot.org/submission/2935491_ ) and that is something quite different.

Still I can reach 6-6-6 timings with mine Hypers:
SuperPi 6-6-6-18 1T @ 833MHz, 1.72Vdimm
http://hwbot.org/submission/2935826_trodas_superpi___1m_xeon_x5650_11sec_203ms
http://valid.canardpc.com/g8j4hi


Cinebench 11.5 (32bit only OS&test, so score suxx) 6-6-6-18 1T @ 833MHz, 1.72Vdimm
http://hwbot.org/submission/2935830_trodas_cinebench___r11.5_xeon_x5650_8.14_points


...

On more serious note, they can do 7-7-7-20 1T @ 903MHz, 1.72Vdimm


And the look is impressive:

 

[Bad Bad Bear]

Hey guys,

Does anyone know if a 2400Mhz Trident Gskill memory kit will run at this speed on a haswell xeon cpu ? This would be on a Z97 board. Can you enable xmp with a haswell xeon e3 1230 v3 ? Is it purely board dependant ?
Thanks

 

[emissary42]

Yes, it is the Z97 chipset that unlocks the memory ratios (even for your Xeon).

 

[Bad Bad Bear]

Yes, it is the Z97 chipset that unlocks the memory ratios (even for your Xeon).

Thanks emissary42. I'm a member of another tech forum and the overwhelming opinion on there was NO !

 

[johnspack]

Well, finally verified and paid for my x5650 from, of course, t_ski... just had 2 bluescreens today for no reason, this is getting close! New mobo to put the hex in coming by end of month I hope.
Not sure I even want to try it in this p6t at this point. It's okay, this es w3570 and the mobo went through hell in their lifetime, I know they did a lot of folding and crunching. If I get the mobo I'm
hoping for, I'm going to do a little hex ocing..... with a 16 phase+3 mobo and extra cooling, think I could do stable runs at 4.5 on air?

 

[Morgoth]

 

[silentbogo]

After a planned downgrade to i7 920 I've finally decided to get Xeon again. This time it will be a 32nm Xeon X5660 + another 6GB of RAM. Hopefully I can afford all this crap, considering I just spent $250 on a pile of broken laptops...

 

[Silvertigo]

Hopefully my R9 290x is going to appreciate the upgraded platform.

Leaving behind a P8H67 + 2500K set up (cannot OC with that mobo, done everything I wanted without OC`ing by the way)

I`ve had a black cape tailored for me with Xeon in white letters stenciled on the upper shoulder area, I expect this to be

fashionable for at least the next 15 years. Hopefully I can find a use for the included HSU someday.

On a serious note, I`ll post the difference benchmarked with Valley, to be honest I expect

maybe a 20% improvement or so, maybe less? Not sure if I will go W10 yet.

For anyone else considering going the Xeon way as an alternative to the i5 4690 or similar, the following thread may be of help to you.
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/should-i-go-the-xeon-way.214914/#post-3325734

 

[johnspack]

Couldn't wait for replacement mobo to play with hexy.... having issues with my ram slots, down to 3 sticks of ram, arg, and probably all the ocing I'll get for now. But dam... 3.52ghz rock solid at 1.224v, idle 30c hottest core, 19c coolest, 60c max bench/stress testing temp. I'm just annoyed with the 22-23x multi flutter at idle. Have c-states enabled, wondering if I disable it will get rid of the 23x multi? These are definitely different chips than bloomfield !

 

[dorsetknob]

Xeons put a smile on your face especially 6 core

 

[johnspack]

Yep! Dam, even on sicky mobo, it still wants to go faster. Disabled c-states and 22-23x flutter is gone. I figured I needed to crack 1ghz oc at least for now. Just did some stress testing and now cpuz verified at 1.24v:

I think I finally scored a cherry chip.... 1.3v should get me over 4ghz on a stable mobo....
And yes, I'll try putting my qpi link back to a higher multi next.
Screw it, going for 4ghz tonight: http://valid.x86.fr/yfh3v6 close

 

[johnspack]

It shouldn't be able to do this, my quad started bluescreening at 3.5 on this mobo... I dub this chip "Bonkers". Verified and stable at 4ghz, an impressive 1.3ghz oc on air!

http://valid.x86.fr/xwx46p

 

[t_ski]

Yep! Dam, even on sicky mobo, it still wants to go faster. Disabled c-states and 22-23x flutter is gone. I figured I needed to crack 1ghz oc at least for now. Just did some stress testing and now cpuz verified at 1.24v:

I think I finally scored a cherry chip.... 1.3v should get me over 4ghz on a stable mobo....
And yes, I'll try putting my qpi link back to a higher multi next.
Screw it, going for 4ghz tonight: http://valid.x86.fr/yfh3v6 close

It shouldn't be able to do this, my quad started bluescreening at 3.5 on this mobo... I dub this chip "Bonkers". Verified and stable at 4ghz, an impressive 1.3ghz oc on air!

http://valid.x86.fr/xwx46p

You're welcome

 

[khanman125]

Has anyone overclocked an E3-1230v2 beyond 103.5 BCLK?