its 29 pages and 700+ posts aurguing about climate change not global warming
The planet is cooling down till the sun expands parts of the surface are experiencing CLIMATE CHANGE always has and always will until its enveloped by the sun
in the end Its a pointless (thread)
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i ain't changed my opinion
I know what your doing and you have my SUPPORT
your trying to get the
thread bounced to GN 
If you're going to live and die by terminology, then the title of the thread is:
The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever
The thread originally asks whether the alteration of temperatures, recorded at particular locations, being altered to normalize results to a theoretical model is important. That theoretical model has created allowances for increased average temperatures, and the harvested data did not support said theoretical model. Scientists chalked up said discrepancies as problematic, and to normalize data to their conclusions they altered temperature data to account for "imprecision" in the instrumentation. In the scientific world, that should get you crucified. You create a model, falsify data to match the model, and in the process justify a lie with data. That is unacceptable.
People have run with said banner, and taken it to both sides of the climate change debate. Deniers say this is a situation where all data should be thrown out, because of lies by some. Supporters say the significance of the data is negligible, given the weight of the other data. Reasonable moderates condemn the lie, and ask whether we actually have enough data to model anything.
On a separate note.
Citing surveys, like Magibeg did, is not bringing facts to the table. If you surveyed the average Saudi citizen they'd believe in Allah, the average resident of the US believes in the Bible, and the average resident of Lancaster PA would still use a horse as their common means of travel. Surveys, by their nature, aren't a way to gather facts. Facts exist outside the realm of opinion, and opinions are what surveys gather.
So 5 million years ago aliens caused climate change/ global warming?
The Pliocene ended with a rather spectacular number of different thing going on at once. Water from the ice caps began to cool the oceans. The Albedo of the planet decreased on average. The oceanic heat conveyor started up, which today delivers equitorially heated water northward and colder waters southward. We experienced a massive extinction event, due to a supernova ionizing our atmospere and functionally removing the ozone layer. All of these events, on a geologic time frame, occurred in rapid succession. What one event caused CO2 levels to decline may be impossible to tell, or more importantly it may have been a series of events.
As far as global warming occurring then, not as far as I can discern. The relatively large amount of evaporation of water, into a greenhouse gas (yeah, people often forget water vapor is a greenhouse gas) may have actually been a huge factor here. Our current oceanic heat conveyor didn't move warm waters north, so the equator baked in more intense heat. The CO2 level may have been a factor of so very many living things, but that's largely conjecture. Scientist, to my understanding, have yet to explain how much CO2 would occur naturally as metabolic byproducts before it was locked away during the extinction events which give us our current rich hydrocarbon deposits.
In short, my understanding is the Pliocene was less global warming, and more a renaissance for organic chemistry. I could be wrong, but it seems like there's no way to get a definitive answer on that particular point.
