who should acquire amd??

[Schmuckley]

So..Thread degenerated into monkeys flinging poo?'
Not the 1st time that's happened.

 

[Atomic77]

Well lets just say this. I am a almost 38 year old born into a world where computers were just starting to get popular 1977. Secondly a lot of good companies merge. HP/Compaq for example. I may not know much when it comes to stuff like this but I do know enough to have a opinion and that's what matters.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

EA doesn't have the money to make a purchase as large as AMD. AMD has positioned itself to be a gaming platform and there's only four companies diving into the console scene: Valve, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo. Of the four, only Valve and Microsoft have the resources to buy AMD.

 

[R-T-B]

So..Thread degenerated into monkeys flinging poo?'
Not the 1st time that's happened.

I'm guilty too. It seemed I missed a page somewhere between the trolling match and the apology.

Should've let it go rather than trying to shame lilhoff a second time. Apologies are due here.

 

[HumanSmoke]

Of the four, only Valve and Microsoft have the resources to buy AMD.

Maybe AMD can offer a stock swap + cash with Asetek, because this looks like it could get messy.

 

[RCoon]

Maybe AMD can offer a stock swap + cash with Asetek, because this looks like it could get messy.

Lulz. Just when AMD got a market share bump of a few percent, they get pimp-slapped. To be fair, they should have researched this before they chose to include the Coolermaster block. Sort of their own fault.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

That's bull. Asetek has no right to even patent a closed loop water cooling solution because they've been used in cars since, what, the early 1900s? There is nothing patentable about it unless there is something specific like unique fan, radiator, hose, or connector design.

Cooler Master infringed on the patent, not AMD. AMD can't be held liable when Cooler Master is at fault. Cooler Master could lose AMD's business because of it though.

 

[cadaveca]

That's bull. Asetek has no right to even patent a closed loop water cooling solution because they've been used in cars since, what, the early 1900s? There is nothing patentable about it unless there is something specific like unique fan, radiator, hose, or connector design.

Cooler Master infringed on the patent, not AMD. AMD can't be held liable when Cooler Master is at fault. Cooler Master could lose AMD's business because of it though.

pump on block is what the issue was, and why EK and swiftech have their pumps in other locations.

 

[Xzibit]

Fury X Cooler Master edition becomes a collectors item

AMD allows Fury X to be altered by AIB = Air Cooled or Hybrid

 

[HumanSmoke]

Lulz. Just when AMD got a market share bump of a few percent, they get pimp-slapped. To be fair, they should have researched this before they chose to include the Coolermaster block. Sort of their own fault.

The weird part of the whole deal is that Asetek were reported to be the original suppliers of the AIO for AMD. It's going to nightmare² if it turns out that CoolerMaster hijacked the $2-4m contract from out under Asetek. I haven't seen any other mass production product using Asetek that seems to fit the bill otherwise.

 

[Eroticus]

Microsoft =]

 

[Moofachuka]

That's not a bad idea. Valve could use AMD's resources to leverage Steam OS as well as fast track VR development.

yeh but probably Facebook ends up buying it or something... cuz why not

 

[Freezer]

yeh but probably Facebook ends up buying it or something... cuz why not

Thats a great laugh.

 

[Atomic77]

How about HP, Dell, Apple, Lenevo? all major computer makers.

 

[Ferrum Master]

I think, the only one that could do it is IBM. Coz.... It has the x86 license itself... VIA is no use, despite the concern behind them is very mighty.

There for the biggest hurdle would go away. But IBM is into medical and software stuff lately, albeit they kept their powerPC division, despite selling everything hardware related. I wonder why. I am actually wondering why IBM is not present in electric car and cybernetic research too.

But just like the idea... I would be in peace to chose from intel or IBM based CPU's again... Ehh nostalgic memories...

 

[HumanSmoke]

How about HP, Dell, Apple, Lenevo? all major computer makers.

Unlikely an OEM would want AMD.
HP and Apple have spent considerable time and effort divesting themselves of their hardware manufacturing divisions (as has IBM/Lenovo for that matter). There is nothing to be gained by taking a risk on buying a company when they can simply dangle a contract in front of two or more hardware manufacturers and just wait for the competitive climate to produce the best product and the best pricing. Buying AMD just means they have to foot the R&D bill and...

...cause a conflict with their other suppliers.
HP makes most of its enterprise revenue from Intel based products
Lenovo makes most of its enterprise revenue from Intel based products
Dell makes most of its enterprise revenue from Intel based products

These companies don't choose Intel over AMD because they are fanboys of a brand, they choose the hardware based on workload requirement (often on a per-core basis for software licensed in that manner), and metrics like performance-per-watt, which tend to take on a whole new level of importance when dealing with data centers and HPC deployments.

I think, the only one that could do it is IBM. Coz.... It has the x86 license itself... VIA is no use, despite the concern behind them is very mighty.
There for the biggest hurdle would go away. But IBM is into medical and software stuff lately, albeit they kept their powerPC division, despite selling everything hardware related. I wonder why. I am actually wondering why IBM is not present in electric car and cybernetic research too.

IBM have been consolidating for some time - divesting themselves of diversions from their core business. R&D is still a big part of the company, but it seems to lead to licensing deals for third parties rather than IBM getting back into the rough and tumble of selling consumer products.
They spent a lot of time and resources divesting themselves of their consumer and manufacturing markets (sales to Lenovo, giveaways to Globalfoundries). Their core is now closer to what built the company in the first place - enterprise deployments and their servicing.

But just like the idea... I would be in peace to chose from intel or IBM based CPU's again... Ehh nostalgic memories...

That only seems a possibility with the enterprise sector. IBM Power9 + NVLink vs Intel Xeon and OmniPath.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Btw... Has anyone considered google as a buyer, just for the lulz?

 

[HumanSmoke]

Btw... Has anyone considered google as a buyer, just for the lulz?

With Google anything is possible I guess. They have been looking at ARM-based chips for their data centres for a while, and they have no qualms about pouring funds into blue sky projects....but I'm guessing they'd just sell or spinoff a lot of what AMD presently is. Google buying AMD might have some high comedy repercussions WRT Microsoft though, so there's always that going for it.

 

[dorsetknob]

Btw... Has anyone considered google as a buyer, just for the lulz?

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[Ferrum Master]

With Google anything is possible I guess.

Well, I can bring up more darker idea. What if anything from Russia comes up and buys it. They don't care for the patents but the tech and IPC. Yes they have only Elbrus, from Moscow SPARC institute by now... And actually it is not that bad. Their top military hardware still sits on 486 compatible parallel clusters btw... (The last thing USSR research made good to copy and even enchance).

So no matter what, we all know AMD is in bad... Really bad situation CPU wise. It just cannot compete. GPU wise everything is okay, they try to do mix of it, but due to wintel stuff, the OS architecture will not favor it soon. And if will, those CPU's will be eol as intel will bring up something comparable, as it actually tries to do, their gpu die size grows very huge also lately.

This thread is a speculation. So we know, oem is not a candidate, yes. Google is the joker.

So it leaves the new money holders. Who will need compute makers with patents. Google, yes, maybe. Virgin? Suppose not. Apple? Well unlikely they will want to make an x86 cyclone cpu. Why? Just take intel, job done and iphone xx ready. Samsung? They are building anything from a dildo to a tank... So you never know. But but but...

The ones that really might need it... Not russians... But godson.... And they have cash.

Any chinese players backed from the party? Aren't those the most real buyers?

Number one suspect huawei.

 

[HumanSmoke]

Number one suspect huawei.

They seem pretty embedded in the ARM ecosystem. It depend upon what their future plans are I suppose. X86 will be dead to them, and they already have ARM. GPU-wise, unless they plan on expanding into some new market where mobile-GPU tech doesn't have the power, but produces enough revenue to justify the R&D, it's hard to see why they would want it. I'm guessing a lot of the patents are resolutely bound with IP of others (ATI's acquisition of 3DLabs and Nvidia's acquisition of SGI's graphics, and 3Dfx/GigaPixel probably sealed that fate) so I'm not sure how a licensing deal could work except in specific cases. The desktop market is in decline, and judging by a shift to GPGPU not being tied to conventional rasterized 3D graphics architecture (Nvidia's GK 210 implementation is a shift way from their gaming GPU, Xeon Phi and the newer special purpose processors like the PEZY-SC that lack a conventional graphics pipeline), the pro markets are in an evolutionary state as well.

 

[dorsetknob]

was stated somewhere in thread and i cannot be bothered to find the post
The US Government would Veto any Deal that allowed AMD to be Acquired by any Country/Business that was potentially hostile to American Interests
That would Rule out China Russia Arab in fact most of the devoloped/developing world leaving only US or Allied Nations

 

[HumanSmoke]

was stated somewhere in thread and i cannot be bothered to find the post
The US Government would Veto any Deal that allowed AMD to be Acquired by any Country/Business that was potentially hostile to American Interests
That would Rule out China Russia Arab in fact most of the devoloped/developing world leaving only US or Allied Nations

I think I amongst others made the observation based on the DoJ's prior record.
As for if, who, where, and when, AMD's situation seems to be changing daily. A couple of days ago Silver Lake put its investment plans on hold, and today AMD announced it is cutting 500 jobs.

I think I saw an old guy sitting outside a supermarket who hurriedly changed his sign " 20p for a cup of tea rescue package for AMD"

 

[Ferrum Master]

They seem pretty embedded in the ARM ecosystem

Well you know they are are mainly in their network ventures(that have caused political debates due to their CEO's political past... I lol it just as Kaspersky... A sarcastic quote from Tropico 4 - there is no such thing as former KGB agent ). But... Historicly wise... They have played with mips(and still have their division for it, job vacancies are still open) and china fave platform btw. ARM and kirin... Yes, guess they use stock cores also, just as sammy does, so without magic. I cannot call it special devotion comparing with the job as qualcomm does.

But still, we cannot deny... They have the money to take AMD without a hiccup. Yes Doorsetknob said well... US will not permit it... Well... I hope none of the candidate dorks too... My condolances US for the next president run.

 

[Atomic77]

Ok heres a idea How about Barrack Obama lol.