who should acquire amd??

[EarthDog]

No, they offer more performance for your dollar. Watch this:

The Core i5 4690K costs ~$250US, and the AMD FX-8320 costs ~$150US. For $100 less, the FX-8320 is giving you greater than 90% of the performance of the Intel chip in most games using a single graphics card. In DX12, this might even get worse for the Intel chip, since DX12 can feed a GPU using all the cores in your system, instead of only from one core (DX11 and older). If you're looking at even more multi-threaded software, the 8 integer cores of the FX-8320 kicks the i5's 4 cores in the ass.

Couple that with the more robust and expensive board required to overclock the 8320, read: any FX octo (which most do here anyway) versus what is acceptable in the INtel world, and that difference shrinks a bit.

Only time will tell to how DX12 games respond to more cores... and we will find that in a year or two when DX12 games are out in force.

 

[cdawall]

Couple that with the more robust and expensive board required to overclock the 8320, read: any FX octo (which most do here anyway) versus what is acceptable in the INtel world, and that difference shrinks a bit.

Only time will tell to how DX12 games respond to more cores... and we will find that in a year or two when DX12 games are out in force.

Most people don't overclock. Any 890GX/990GX and better board will easily run a stock 8320.

 

[alucasa]

PC gaming has been held off by console standards for a decade, me thinks. DX12 will hardly matter. I upgraded my OSes only because it was free and my rigs needed reformats anyway.

Besides, I don't know if it's just me but main stream games get old when you get past a certain age. I just don't want to play the same old AAA tiles again with prettier graphic which is why I turn to cloud-funding games.

 

[GhostRyder]

AMD really just needs to have a lot of OEM's under their belt for GPU's, APU's (Laptops mostly but desktops in the business world), and even working in the server market. A big problem is not people like us buying them or not as that really is not a big margin of people (Even with PC gaming becoming more mainstream), its the people buying pre-built systems that really drive the market more even on the gaming and competitive market.

If they want to stay in and get back up to speed, the thing they need is to work out some deals with all the major OEM's to put their chips in their machines. Getting dell to use their chips in business class machines (Same with IBM) would be a big step towards profitability.

 

[cdawall]

Take the A12-8800B and unlock the FP on the GPU for CAD use. Sell it in a slim 14/15.6" laptop and profit. There would be nothing that competes, they could even charge an exorbitant amount for it.

 

[yogurt_21]

PC gaming has been held off by console standards for a decade, me thinks. DX12 will hardly matter. I upgraded my OSes only because it was free and my rigs needed reformats anyway.

Besides, I don't know if it's just me but main stream games get old when you get past a certain age. I just don't want to play the same old AAA tiles again with prettier graphic which is why I turn to cloud-funding games.

Yeah with AMD APU's that's a problem of the past. The consoles are fully directX 12 compliant and they will certainly benefit from any advantages it has to offer. By the time Directx 12 is old, new consoles will be out. Considering the cycle is ~ 6 years and we're 2 years into it. You can expect new ones in 4 years. Direct X 12 isn't the main platform yet but will be likely in the next year or 2. After that it will continue to be developed on for at least a few years, easily putting its climax before or during the next console series launch. By that time assuming AMD is still around, they'll put APU's in them that are also forward looking just like these versions were. Even if AMD folds, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo might just switch to an Intel base if they're graphics improve enough. Or Nvidia might partner with Intel to provide the solution. Either way the cell based processors in consoles are a thing of the past, and this round of consoles was built with the future in mind.

 

[cdawall]

AMD cannot fold, it leaves intel as a monopoly which would mean their company would be split and dissolved. AMD would just end up with a loan from intel, just as Microsoft did to Apple.

 

[alucasa]

I doubt AMD will ever fold. They would have gone down already if they were to fold. I know some are making the whole situation like the end of world is coming but I honestly do doubt AMD will fold.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Worst case scenario, they would be reduced to just a patent-holding company.

 

[cdawall]

I am hopeful for Zen. Nothing Jim Keller has touched performed badly, both K7 and K8 were his brain children and that is the only reason AMD exists today. Hell the HT bus was his child...if it wasn't for that I have a feeling K8 would have been a worthless upgrade in comparison to K7.

 

[anubis44]

I haven't checked my tix for the lottery last night so maybe I could buy them? Is 55 million enough?

Try $6 billion, just for the Radeon graphics division (can't be worth less than half of nVidia, after all, what else is nVidia but GPUs?), and probably at least another $3-4 billion for the CPU division, especially with a probable hit CPU coming out like Zen, but you can deduct ~$2 billion for debt outstanding, so... say $10 billion? By the way, at that value, AMD shares should be worth ~$12.83/share. ($10,000,000,000 / 779,180,000 shares outstanding = $12.83).

 

[cdawall]

Try $6 billion, just for the Radeon graphics division (can't be worth less than half of nVidia, after all, what else is nVidia but GPUs?), and probably at least another $3-4 billion for the CPU division, especially with a probable hit CPU coming out like Zen, but you can deduct ~$2 billion for debt outstanding, so... say $10 billion? By the way, at that value, AMD shares should be worth ~$12.83/share. ($10,000,000,000 / 779,180,000 shares outstanding = $12.83).

Current worth puts AMD around $1.03 billion.

 

[dorsetknob]

Its Only worth what it fetches at point of sale ( FACT )
Until AMD is Sold ...............Speculation of AMD's Worth is just that ..........
....................Speculation

 

[Atomic77]

Intel inside is all that matters. screw AMD.

 

[dorsetknob]

Intel inside is all that matters. screw AMD.

10 years in the Future an older but none the wiser @Atomic77 reads the online news

"" News Flash Intel to Raise the Price of its New CPU by 500% (from last year when we only raised the price by 250%)
a Spooksperson Said to to our Reporter

Well what do you Expect we are the only Maker of CPU's you Either Buy it at the New Price or we pay the Goverment to Blacklist you so you cannot Buy one

Yes its a Pity AMD went Bust in 201* Not Our Problem now About that Cpu You Want it or do we Blacklist you"

 

[FordGT90Concept]

They kind of already are. Intel is selling pretty much the same chips they sold back in 2009. The only thing majorly different between the two is the 14nm process versus 45nm process. What this translates to is that Intel has pocketed all of the gains from Moore's Law instead of advancing performance (at least on consumer products). If AMD were competitive, we'd be seeing 8 core/16 thread processors for $300 instead of 4 core/8 thread processors. Intel has already implemented a 200% price hike (at least) and few are any the wiser about it.

Edit: The Skylake picture was sourced from TPU, the original image was sourced from XT Review:

Edit: Skylake is, what, 1/3 Nehalem? If we consider how thin the package is (5 layers versus up to 12), there's cost savings everywhere that isn't abundantly obvious. And remember, Nehalem is all CPU; Skylake is two-fifths GPU:

We're talking 400-500% easy in terms of actual CPU real estate per dollar. Intel could nix the GPU and package a 16-core processor pretty easy if the socket would handle the power load (it would not because as noted, they cheapened that too).

We're already getting shafted.


Edit: I remember paying $320 for my i7-920 back in 2009. That's worth $355 today and I believe I paid $365 for my i7-6700K. Yeah, yeah, the GPU moved to die with Skylake so it's not exactly a fair comparison but, the pictures still speak for themselves.

 

[cdawall]

Intel inside is all that matters. screw AMD.

Unless you want a console and then AMD inside is all that exists. $1.25 billion dollars worth of APU's in the XBOX One last year alone.

 

[dorsetknob]

CRYSTAL BALL GAZING

Intel road map for 2025 (AMD Rest in Peace )

THE LEASE- BACK ROAD MAP

You no longer need to Buy a CPU
Lease what you need
All Cpu's now come with all features you want
all we want is your credit card Details and we will bill you yearly for the CPU/GPU Features you want and need
you want more speed..........we update the microcode and your leased Cpu is faster
You want more cache..........we update the microcode and your leased Cpu has more cache enabled
You Want more cores..........we update the microcode and your leased Cpu has more cores unlocked
You want higher spec Graphics ..........we update the microcode and your leased Cpu gets a graphics Boost


Small Print Please read
if you fail to keep up your yearly lease payments we at Intel reserve the right to update the microcode to render your Leased cpu Deactivated
Notice your Intel Cpu must have a online Connection to work

 

[alucasa]

Adobe is already doing almost the same thing which forced me to ditch Photoshop and Acrobat pro. Gimp isn't too bad as it turns out.

MS is doing that with Office 365 but at least their price is reasonable unlike Adobe where they want f- 50 bucks/mo.

 

[dorsetknob]

We will be downloading our CPUs which means I could just pirate my CPU.

people will no doubt say that won't happen

i say it already is
for example win 10 and the micro code update that borked some intel cpu's from running an overclock

MS is doing that with Office 365 but at least their price is reasonable unlike Adobe where they want f- 50 bucks/mo.

Wait a year and your find your nice shiny win 10 (FREE UPGRADE ) O/S finaly becomes a Full subscription Software ( after they sneekly nix your bios with an un explained update with no information so it only boots to win 10).

More Crystal Ball Readings from Mystic Fred

 

[Slizzo]

Read the post above. U.S. Government would never allow it.

AMD is a Canadian company, so it really wouldn't matter.

 

[rtwjunkie]

AMD is a Canadian company, so it really wouldn't matter.

Headquarters is in Sunnyvale, California. i know there are a ton of Canadian actors in Hollywood, but I'm pretty sure California is still in the U.S.

 

[Slizzo]

Headquarters is in Sunnyvale, California. i know there are a ton of Canadian actors in Hollywood, but I'm pretty sure California is still in the U.S.

Yeah, jesus christ I didn't look at the OP post date when replying...

And getting ATI confused with AMD...

 

[dorsetknob]

ATI was the Graphics company...........>>>> AMD Bought
AMD is Listed on the NY stock Exchange as an AMERICAN Company

AMD is a Canadian company, so it really wouldn't matter.

So Your WRONG and it DOES MATTER

 

[Blue-Knight]

Gimp isn't too bad as it turns out.

Spoiler: Off topic

GIMP is not bad. It is not just equal Ado* Photo*. Especially for common users, who don't even need a fraction of what Photo* or GIMP can do.

Spoiler: Off topic

Now, for the people who insist people should pay for every software they use for personal purposes:

VLC Media Player: $5/month
Mozilla Firefox: $5/month
Handbrake: $5/month
GIMP: $5/month
Inkscape: $5/month
Libre Office: $5/month
Text Editor: $5/month
Archiver tools: $5/month (and I am not charging for every tool, so thank me...)
Optical Media Burner: $5/month
Skype: $5/month
Oracle's VirtualBox: $5/month
Download a new version of NVIDIA/AMD driver: +$5/download
TechpowerUP Forum Membership: $5/month
+Every other site you visit: $5/month each
+Every game you have: $5/month each

Well, with the unrealistically optimistic price of $5/month and excluding software dependecies. You would need $100-$200 just to sustain that.

$200 is my whole salary.

You could learn to make your own software (and spending another tons $$$ for books), but to make all of them is necessary knowledge a single human won't surely hold and requires time you will never have. So, why we do not share every piece with know to build software that would benefit all of us.

Paying for every software you use is unrealistic.

Paying for personalized/specialized software for an individual/entity is another story...

Just my opinion.