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The source for that picture is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_event
and as usual any info from wilki is to be consumed with a large pinch of salt




you will find many,many more here. If you are that anally retentive

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=asteroid+hitting+earth&tbm=isch&tbs=simg:CAQSjAEaiQELEKjU2AQaAggKDAsQsIynCBpiCmAIAxIo3gLuAuoC7geLCPgHqxPcAoATzgeqKJopnT3JP6koyifQNKM-uSixNRowjHaWUzsE0h1ljpipqEwx4-WvIxg3hPgrARJpXmKsvL63tqQ2gktmZBLUpe5TrRfkIAIMCxCOrv4IGgoKCAgBEgQcRJKsDA&sa=X&ved=0CBwQwg4oAGoVChMIlb-V2IbZyAIVBuwmCh0EbQvX&biw=1440&bih=799#imgrc=FMRLtfH8hUcqyM:



Want to feel REALLY frightened?

99942 Apophis




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis
 
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That math seems a little off.

1600 megatons = 6.6944*10^18 Joules
Given velocity is 30 km/s = 30000 m/s
e(k) = 1/2 * m * V^2 => m = 2* e(k) / V^2 => 1.3389*10^19 / 9*10^8 = 1.4877*10^10 kg

Let's assume a sphere, because that's just the easiest math.
v = (4/3) * PI() * r^3 = (4/3) * PI() * 185^3 = 26521065 = 2.65*10^7 m^3
m = v * d => m / v= d => density = 1487.7 / 2.65 = 561 kg/m^3 = 0.561 g/cm^3



My problem comes in when the density of Apophis is listed on wikipedia as 3.2 g/cm^3, and the estimated kinetic energy it hits Earth with is in fact 750 megatons. Let's do that math, assuming that velocity is off somehow.

v = (4/3) * PI() * r^3 = (4/3) * PI() * 185^3 = 26521065 = 2.65*10^7 m^3
m = v * d => mass = 2.65*10^7 * 3200 = 8.480*10^10 kg

750 megatons = 3.138*10^18 Joules
e(k) = 1/2 * m * V^2 => V = sqrt(2* e(k) / m) = 8603 m/s = 8.6 km/s

Anyone else see how this infographic is misleading? The numbers provided are scary huge, but because Apophis is traveling in the same direction as we are the apparent velocity of it will be 29% of the velocity that they quote it as.




I'd like somebody to double check the work, but it's kinda funny how people don't double check work before producing infographics.
 

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So, the Apophis is in our ring, but not on the same orbit level, it only crosses our path here and there on horizontal and vertical axis.

I wonder if they have any long term strategies to derail such objects out of our way, being sure we don't make it even worse by making it cross our path even more often than it already does.
 

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That math seems a little off.
Other Sources have reduced the estimated size of the incoming " Asteroid/comet remenent from 2000 ft dia down to 1300ft

That's not good, because even a 1,300-foot (400-meter) asteroid could smack Earth like 2800 metric tons of dynamite, leaving behind a crater 3.7 miles wide. "If an asteroid of this size strikes the Earth it would produce continental-scale devastation
 
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Would-be skywatchers can turn to the internet for live telescope views provided by the Virtual Telescope Project.




Near-Earth Object Camera

http://neocam.ipac.caltech.edu/

NEOcam (Near-Earth Object Camera) is a proposed infrared telescope that would potentially track down 10 times more near-Earth objects than we've currently located. NASA recently gave the team some funding to further develop the idea. If the project is selected, it could fly as early as 2020.




http://www.rochester.edu/pr/Review/V76N1/0402_asteroids.html
 
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Paul Chodas, manager of the Center for Near Earth Object Studies at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California assures that they are well aware and fully understand the trajectory of 2015 TB145.

LOOK you can see it :eek:


“At the point of closest approach, it will be no closer than about 300,000 miles — 480,000 kilometers or 1.3 lunar distances. Even though that is relatively close by celestial standards, it is expected to be fairly faint, so night-sky Earth observers would need at least a small telescope to view it.”

NASA further revealed that the asteroid isn’t exerting much gravitation influence and it is so small that it will have no detectable effect on the moon or anything here on Earth, including our planet’s tides or tectonic plates.

Astronomers at the space agency will be using the 34-meter (110-foot) DSS 13 antenna at Goldstone to bounce radio waves off the asteroid. These radio waves will in turn be collected by the National Radio Astronomy Observatory’s Green Bank Telescope in Green Bank, West Virginia, and the National Astronomy and Ionosphere Center’s Arecibo Observatory, Puerto Rico. NASA scientists hope to obtain radar images of the asteroid as fine as about 7 feet (2 meters) per pixel. This should reveal a wealth of detail about the object’s surface features, shape, dimensions and other physical properties.

“The close approach of 2015 TB145 at about 1.3 times the distance of the moon’s orbit, coupled with its size, suggests it will be one of the best asteroids for radar imaging we’ll see for several years,” said Lance Benner, of JPL, who leads NASA’s asteroid radar research program. “We plan to test a new capability to obtain radar images with two-meter resolution for the first time and hope to see unprecedented levels of detail.”


“The asteroid’s orbit is very oblong with a high inclination to below the plane of the solar system,” said Benner. “Such a unique orbit, along with its high encounter velocity — about 35 kilometers or 22 miles per second — raises the question of whether it may be some type of comet. If so, then this would be the first time that the Goldstone radar has imaged a comet from such a close distance.”



Map showing the path of near-Earth asteroid 2015 TB145 beginning at 6:00 Universal Time on Oct. 31 hourly through 20:00 UT (1 a.m. – 3 p.m. CDT). Closest approach of 300,000 miles (480,000 km) occurs at 17:05 UT or during afternoon hours for observers in the Americas. The path is only approximate as the asteroid’s orbit continues to be refined. Credit: Chris Marriott’s SkyMap


Stellarium view of the sky and featured asteroid seen from northern, Minnesota at 11:55 p.m. October 30, 2015. Notice that a bright, waning gibbous Moon will be nearby during the best viewing opportunities for the Americas, which will make 2015 TB145 a little harder to spot


According to the catalog of near-Earth objects kept by the Minor Planet Center, this is the closest currently known approach by an object this large until asteroid1999 AN10 (about 2,600 feet or 800-m in size) zips by at about 1 lunar distance in August 2027.
 
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seriously tho-its truly amazing what we (as a planet) are subject to , and have NO control to stop. what would you have done if this puppy WASN'T going to be missing us?? could be a good plan to have.
 

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seriously tho-its truly amazing what we (as a planet) are subject to , and have NO control to stop. what would you have done if this puppy WASN'T going to be missing us?? could be a good plan to have.

Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but do you honestly think anyone in their right mind would tell us if it wasn't going to miss? Why?
 

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Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but do you honestly think anyone in their right mind would tell us if it wasn't going to miss? Why?

Honestly, if the big life-ending one was coming, it would serve no purpoe to alert the populations. You would have lawlessness everywhere.
 
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do you honestly think anyone in their right mind would tell us if it wasn't going to miss? Why?

i wasn't really putting all that much thought into it it to be honest, i was just adding some levity to the subject....However, when it comes to matters of this type(since you've asked), i have the opinion that I i really dont care ...weather i do or dont, it would make NO difference, so i see no reason to get all worked up about matters of this type. That is what i think. But , Life is serious enough, and i Personally find it unappealing to converse on such matters. I also, prefer to not pretend to know what "the powers that be" Would do....or Will do in such a situation...to do so, is just guessing at a hypothetical situation.with that being said, i see no reason that government ,etc..Would notify the masses, it would likely cause only looting, anarchy, etc.. ALL the things that "the man" hates.
 
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i wasn't really putting all that much thought into it it to be honest, i was just adding some levity to the subject....However, when it comes to matters of this type(since you've asked), i have the opinion that I i really dont care ...weather i do or dont, it would make NO difference, so i see no reason to get all worked up about matters of this type. That is what i think. But , Life is serious enough, and i Personally find it unappealing to converse on such matters. I also, prefer to not pretend to know what "the powers that be" Would do....or Will do in such a situation...to do so, is just guessing at a hypothetical situation.with that being said, i see no reason that government ,etc..Would notify the masses, it would likely cause only looting, anarchy, etc.. ALL the things that "the man" hates.
Yep, I to be honest am the same as you, hate to think about it and honestly don't WANT to even go there. Just playing devils advocate, which sadly in this case is probably the reality of the matter. :(
 

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Experts at Slooh
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note the asteroid is about twice the size of Trump World Tower in New York and is travelling around 29 times as fast as a high velocity rifle bullet. It is around 32 times the size of the Chelyabinsk meteor that hit Russia in 2015: "If it [2015 TB145] were to impact us, the energy released would be measured not in kilotons like the atomic bombs that ended World War Two, but in H-Bomb type megatons. It will be interesting indeed to watch Slooh track and image this substantial intruder as it passes just 300,000 miles from us."




During the broadcast, astronomer Bob Berman and guests will discuss the potential dangers posed by Near Earth Asteroids as they watch the "worrisome rock" pass our planet, while trying to work out why we only discovered it three weeks before its close encounter with Earth.

The programme on Wednesday will start at 10am EDT (1AM GMT) and can be viewed here.

You can watch the livestream the Halloween asteroid passing Earth from 5pm GMT (2PM EDT) here.



After four days of observations following its discovery,the orbit of TB145 is now well known. There is no reasonable chance that it will strike either Earth or the moon. Any gravitational interactions that would cause earthquakes or epic floods can also be ruled out. Assuming typical asteroid densities and the estimated diameter of TB145, it will only have a mass that is a tiny fraction of the mass of the moon and therefore a minute gravitational impact upon either Earth or the moon.

But while TB145 will be a near miss, is it also a warning shot across Earth's bow. We know of approximately 3,300 objects that are of a similar size, classified as Near Earth Objects, or NEOs. Given the statistics, the likelihood is that Earth will be struck by such an object on average once every 73,000 years so it's not something to be expected to occur very frequently or to lose too much sleep over. But it is a risk that must be monitored. In fact, such near misses have triggered our efforts to chart NEOs and develop possible plans to divert them.

These plans remain in their infancy, especially given the potentially short timescales – we only discovered TB145 two weeks ago – so what would occur if an object similar to TB145 did hit Earth under similar conditions?

So what would happen?
TB145 won't hit Earth, but the following timeline of destruction outlines what might happen if something similar did. The predictions are highly speculative and are based largely on the Chelyabinsk meteor strikeand impact simulators by Imperial College London.

Around two weeks before impact, a 300m asteroid, similar in composition to a burnt-up comet is discovered. Later observations support orbital parameters and confirm an impact.

Ten days later, observations reveal that the impactor is actually a loose composition of three similarly-sized objects. Consequently, three impacts are expected and the coast of eastern Australia is estimated to be the most likely location for the strike. Additionally, the timings of the impacts can be predicted to a few minutes' precision. A strike into water appears to be the most likely outcome, triggering a tsunami, so coastal areas are evacuated.

Just days after the evacuation, the objects enter the Earth's atmosphere. They create a gigantic trio of smoke trails as they start to burn up in the high atmosphere with an entry speed of 30km/s – or 108,000 km/h. After about three to five seconds, two of the objects detonate as air blasts at an altitude of 20km creating a bright flare. The trails race across the skies of southern Queensland and, about seven seconds after they entered the atmosphere, the third object reaches ground level and detonates in open water.

A 5m megaton explosion
The impact releases 5m megatons of energy, as well as a sea quake of about 7 on the Richter scale. It triggers a tsunami 50km off the east coast of Australia.

Around a minute after the objects entered the atmosphere, observers located under the two air blasts hear and feel the devastating shock waves. The explosion flattens trees and small buildings, scorching the area directly under the blast and causes considerable loss of life within the two affected 20km diameter zones. Luckily, both blast zones miss denser populated areas such as Brisbane.

Five minutes after the impact, a tsunami wave between five and 15 metres in height hits the first coastal regions of Australia's east coast, causing considerable damage and loss of life. It now races inland but quickly dissipates – although the wave will continue to travel and cause damage in less well-prepared or equipped regions of the Pacific.

Over the last seven minutes, debris from the first two objects destroyed during the air blast will have rained down upon an area approximately 50km wide. The debris varies in mass, some causing further damage to property.

The end of it all?
Overall, no lasting global damage would be caused by such an event. But on a local level, it would impact economies severely, potentially causing large loss of life. The tsunami alone could be devastating.

A hypothetical event such as this shows that an object such as TB145 would not wipe out humanity or cause widespread global damage. But it also shows that countries will need to continue to work together to address the possible dangers of asteroids and develop effective methods of deflection.

It is not productive to feel threatened by asteroids on a daily basis. Crossing the road can be far more dangerous. Indeed, TB145's fly-by will give us a unique insight into an asteroid that might be a retired comet. Space offers us far more insight and wonder than doom and despair.

But it always pays to keep an eye out, for the bad and the good.

Daniel Brown, Lecturer in Astronomy, Nottingham Trent University

This article was originally published on The Conversation. Read the original article.


I wouldnt care if we all went up in a big puff of smoke TBH

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NASA Spots the 'Great Pumpkin': Halloween Asteroid a Treat for Radar Astronomers




View larger. | This graphic depicts the orbit of asteroid 2015 TB145. Image via NASA/JPL-Caltech.

UPDATE OCTOBER 30, 2015. A newly found asteroid of notable size – known as asteroid 2015 TB145 – will safely pass Earth on October 31, 2015, according to clocks in North America. It should be visible moving in front of the stars, with the help of a telescope, tonight (October 30). It is the biggest known asteroid that will come this close Earth until 2027. The asteroid – found as recently as October 10 – will fly past Earth at a safe distance, or about 1.3 times the moon’s distance. Closest approach to Earth will be October 31 at 1 p.m. EDT (1700 UTC). Translate to your time zone here. Follow the links below for charts and other information.

Top tips and charts for viewing the asteroid with a telescope.

How close will asteroid 2015 TB145 come to the Earth and moon?

How big is it?

When and how did scientists discover asteroid 2015 TB145?

How will scientists observe it?

Similar close approaches of other asteroids

When will asteroid 2015 TB145 sweep near Earth again?
 
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seriously tho-its truly amazing what we (as a planet) are subject to , and have NO control to stop. what would you have done if this puppy WASN'T going to be missing us?? could be a good plan to have.

Imagine a circle with the earth at the center, and TB145 on the edge. The area of that circle is 6,000 times larger than the projected area of the earth. Personally I don't think that is very close to hitting us. Basically it just touches that 1 in 6,000 circle.
 
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Am i the only one who read the title as

"NASA warns of comic book travelling at ludicrous velocity"

???

I was thinking.. What the hell is a comic book doing up in space anyway?
 

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seriously tho-its truly amazing what we (as a planet) are subject to , and have NO control to stop. what would you have done if this puppy WASN'T going to be missing us?? could be a good plan to have.
Imagine a circle with the earth at the center, and TB145 on the edge. The area of that circle is 6,000 times larger than the projected area of the earth. Personally I don't think that is very close to hitting us. Basically it just touches that 1 in 6,000 circle.

That Honour goes to
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seriously tho-its truly amazing what we (as a planet) are subject to , and have NO control to stop. what would you have done if this puppy WASN'T going to be missing us?? could be a good plan to have.

@R-T-B managed to quote it right

Have another go see if you can edit your post and get the right person in your quotes
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will it be seen in the city? and what's the scheduled time it will fly by?
 
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Have another go see if you can edit your post and get the right person in your quotes
Have a nice Day

what do you mean? that comment was made in response to something RTB said, i replied to him, not you.
 

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Re read my post and you will realize that Quotes are being attributed to me that i never made BY @rruff that were made by you
Read his post for confirmation #44
Examine the Quote and then check your post #36

Your see that i have been misquoted the quote is yours yet he attributes it to me
 
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oh, when you quoted me, it seemed like you were replying to my message..because i got the notification. i'll just see my way out of this conversation.
 
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