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I really feel like they waited so long on this card its lost some luster that it could have already had. I mean at this point all the other cards have been out for so long...

Well, this is just about the point they release these types of cards. Maxwell is fully mature, and has at best 6 months of sales left. AMD's bold move of being the leader with the 380X may be just the kick in the pants they need, because I imagine it will sell well.

I've been on the fence to replace the 760, because the 380 is not an improvement really (a little, but not enough), and the 390 is quite a bit more expensive. 380X will do just fine. I'm sure quite a few people have that thinking, and if so, it will sell well.
 
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As usual your attempt to troll is incorrect, the R9 380X is not a chip that's been released ever at least to the public in its full form. Least it has 4gb of full speed memory.


I agree, though power usage could always be better its just fine even on my older 290X cards. But then again I have never really cared much about power consumption on my machine so long as its not to a ridiculous point.


I think they have an OEM GTX 960/ti of some sort already there. The question would be if they intend to release it as a normal GPU and not just an OEM.

I really feel like they waited so long on this card its lost some luster that it could have already had. I mean at this point all the other cards have been out for so long...

I cant find any 960ti OEM .. but i find a petition haha!

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/880779/geforce-900-series/gtx-960-ti-petition/
 

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Oh look the 7970 with a 256bit bus
 
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The OEM 960's seem to be what the Ti would be...192GB bus, 3GB VRAM, etc.
Indeed.
The same GPU layout is found in the GTX 970M mobile card

GTX 960...................................GM206.....32 ROP, 64 TMU, 1024 shaders, 8 SMM, 128 bit bus
GTX 960 OEM/970M..........GM204.....48 ROP, 80 TMU, 1280 shaders, 10SMM, 192 bit bus

Relax the TDP pf the 960 OEM/970M and up the clocks and you would get a part that sits between the GTX 960 and GTX 970 in performance. Whether Nvidia would feel the need to do it is another thing. I guess it depends on how many salvage parts they have since the 970M seems to be a big seller in the mobile space.
 
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i wasnt trying to say by any means that its not a good card. I apologize if i came off as i was insulting the card. I was just stating that the card is just a 290x with a bit more memory and speed.

Actually a 390 = upgraded 290 and a 390X = upgraded 290X. Just the performance of the 290X roughly hits 390 area.

I honestly don't think nVidia cared much about what happened with the 900 series. It was stopgap till Pascal either way. The flawed memory on the 970, a 128bit 960, and lack of Ti offerings till the 980 just reeks of laziness. In part of course due to AMD. Had the 300s been something new, I wonder if Ti variants would have shipped all around.

Figure there has to be a lot of corporate spying or information sharing going on. They both seem to know what each other is doing. Fury was the only thing threatening and nVidia dropped the 980Ti bombshell weeks before it launched.

Had nVidia given half a care about the 900s, we'd have had Ti versions on most of the tiers like we had with the 600s. I'd imagine there being a 970Ti without the memory trouble and a 192bit 960 Ti. Or even better, 256bit 960s.

Had there been a 970Ti without the memory trouble I'd probably have stayed with nVidia. But their answer to that being the overpriced 980...ehh.
 

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Well, the 128 bit bus on the 960 hasn't hurt it since it beats a 256 bit 760 (the lineup place it replaced), and matches a 256 bit R9 380 in performance for the most part. Obviously the memory compression they used is up to the task.

Ti variants are not necessary if the competition isn't putting forth something that needs it. With the 380X coming out now, I propose Nvidia finally has a reason to.

The 980 may seem overpriced, but in performance it whips the 970's tail. Nevertheless, there is not enough room in between the 970 and the 980 to put a card in Ti variant in between the two cards without robbing from one or the other. The 980 makes money, so why steal from there, and the 3.5GB of Fast VRAM on the 970 had not hurt those sales either in the last 10 months.

I maintain that Nvidia has cared about Maxwell. There was alot of work put in the design, and performance coupled with energy efficiency shows this. Sales have been among their highest ever.
 

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If people don't mind a short rant, I want to make some comparisons about Maxwell and GCN 1.1 and why I think both of them are good in their own ways, because I think we sometimes lose sight of the fact that both camps are giving us some great hardware.

The thing is that AMD and nVidia cards are two very different animals even though they're doing the same thing. On one hand you have Maxwell in the green camp that packs a whopping 128 stream processors per SMM (11 SSMs for the 970,) versus AMD in the red camp with GCN 1.1 like on the 390 and 390X which have 64 stream processors per CU and 40 CUs like on the 390. Without getting too discouraged however, we've seen that AMD cards seem to have some muscle when it comes to GPGPU and parallel compute, probably a result of the large number of CUs and the really wide memory bus but, doesn't this sound a little too familiar? This is similar to the problem AMD had with their CPUs compared to Intel. AMD decided to give up some single threaded performance to get relatively large gains on parallel throughput. For a GPU this makes more sense than a CPU but when push comes to shove, you can only do so much in parallel, even more so with libraries only starting to become more parallel in nature. This is where nVidia wins because the beefier SMM cores in Maxwell and higher clocks simply produces more performance in most gaming situations, there is no denying that in my opinion and nVidia should be commended on a job well done. The more serial (not parallel,) the workload becomes, the better nVidia does. On the same token, applications that execute more GPU instructions in parallel where the rendering can actually utilize more of those 40 GCN 1.1 CUs like in the 290/390 and you have a formidable product. Problem is that not all games are coded well in order to use parallel resources and as a result, nVidia, like Intel, wins because their cores are faster and can do more with a focus on what's needed most with current games however, that gap evaporates when you start utilizing the extra resources that GCN 1.1 has despite the lower clock frequency at the cost of dev hours and more complex code.

So this really comes down to how games are developed, what kind of calls are being made to draw and render scenes, etc. So it's not just a matter of ROPs, or TMUs, or plain numbers. It's a matter of AMD going above and beyond the parallel compute thing but losing sight of where the market really was at. Unlike their CPUs though, I think that all of that work to add more parallel throughput to their GPUs is going to pay off as games start demanding more GPU power and we start seeing APIs like Vulkan and DX12 take advantage of it which is starting to better utilize these untapped resources.

I hope my rant wasn't too off topic. :)
 
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The OEM 960's seem to be what the Ti would be...192GB bus, 3GB VRAM, etc.

As someone else pointed out, the "960 OEM" is not a card, but an on-motherboard configuration, aka 970M but just not in a laptop. It's like they are trying to make us cry on purpose.
 

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Actually a few days ago there was I believe a news thread here that actually referred to the 960 OEM, and people were like "what is that?" Turns out it's for real.
 
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The OEM 960's seem to be what the Ti would be...192GB bus, 3GB VRAM, etc.
Yea that's what I was referring to (GTX 960 OEM), I did not look at the name in awhile and could not remember if they changed it to have a TI at the end or not.

Oh look the 7970 with a 256bit bus
No, its not a 7970...The Tonga chip is different than the standard Tahiti chip and has all the new features including performance and power consumption improvements. Not a huge improvement but it achieves better overall performance with a lower bus.

Well, the 128 bit bus on the 960 hasn't hurt it since it beats a 256 bit 760 (the lineup place it replaced), and matches a 256 bit R9 380 in performance for the most part. Obviously the memory compression they used is up to the task.

Ti variants are not necessary if the competition isn't putting forth something that needs it. With the 380X coming out now, I propose Nvidia finally has a reason to.

The 980 may seem overpriced, but in performance it whips the 970's tail. Nevertheless, there is not enough room in between the 970 and the 980 to put a card in Ti variant in between the two cards without robbing from one or the other. The 980 makes money, so why steal from there, and the 3.5GB of Fast VRAM on the 970 had not hurt those sales either in the last 10 months.

I maintain that Nvidia has cared about Maxwell. There was alot of work put in the design, and performance coupled with energy efficiency shows this. Sales have been among their highest ever.
Yea, they basically make up for the tiny bus's with higher ram speeds anyways.
 
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Actually a 390 = upgraded 290 and a 390X = upgraded 290X. Just the performance of the 290X roughly hits 390 area.

I honestly don't think nVidia cared much about what happened with the 900 series. It was stopgap till Pascal either way. The flawed memory on the 970, a 128bit 960, and lack of Ti offerings till the 980 just reeks of laziness. In part of course due to AMD. Had the 300s been something new, I wonder if Ti variants would have shipped all around.

Figure there has to be a lot of corporate spying or information sharing going on. They both seem to know what each other is doing. Fury was the only thing threatening and nVidia dropped the 980Ti bombshell weeks before it launched.

Had nVidia given half a care about the 900s, we'd have had Ti versions on most of the tiers like we had with the 600s. I'd imagine there being a 970Ti without the memory trouble and a 192bit 960 Ti. Or even better, 256bit 960s.

Had there been a 970Ti without the memory trouble I'd probably have stayed with nVidia. But their answer to that being the overpriced 980...ehh.
No offense but still believe the 970 is still one of the best performance for the price cards even with the 3.5gb issue. There is not enough performance gap between the 980 and 970 for there to be room for a 970 ti where as there is plenty of space for a 960ti. And sorry to offend you but just cuz there is only 1 ti in the 900 series doesnt mean they didnt try, have you seen the performance boost it has had compared to 700 series, as far as i know the 980 beats the 780 ti in a majority of tests, which shows that they dont need to slap some fancy ti label on every card for it to be good.
 
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GTX 960 OEM "designed for integration on-motherboard"
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-960-oem

Do we know any product that have this "integrated" onto a motherboard? Would it still need/use dedicated memory, or is there a way to share that from system ram? You'd still need a phase power section for it. Cooling is another need but I suppose any CPU type cooler could be used.
 
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GTX 960 OEM "designed for integration on-motherboard"
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-960-oem

Do we know any product that have this "integrated" onto a motherboard? Would it still need/use dedicated memory, or is there a way to share that from system ram? You'd still need a phase power section for it. Cooling is another need but I suppose any CPU type cooler could be used.

The Zotac NEN Steam machine has it specified. The specs indicate dedicated vram, everything exactly identical to 970M. It's literally the 970M in an htpc form factor.
 
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Bro do you even recycle? Because AMD does.
Thank God Nvidia doesn't. The fact that, after recalling all those shield tablets with the battery problem, they announced the shield tablet again, with just a small change in it's name, it is probably a coincidence.
 

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About AMD and having too much in "parallel compute", this isn't exactly the problem:
All of GCN is kinda old, you have GCN 1.0 / 1.1 / 1.2, but generally its the same architecture with some (small) changes, it shouldn't be compared to Maxwell, which is a entirely new architecture, and thus way more effective. GCN can be better compared to Kepler. Fury is a "blown up" GCN 1.2 thats basically not a balanced product, which you can easily see on the fact that it has the same 64 ROPS compared to GCN 1.1 2816 shader cards like the 290X. Fury should have 96 ROPs or something inbetween, but the space wasn't available for it -- the GPU was already too big anyway, even without the restriction of the Interposer. And that's why Fury X loses to 980 Ti.
Also, 290X/390X with 2816 shaders have a hard time keeping up with the GTX 980 and only 2048 shaders -- that's just because Maxwell is a new and more efficient architecture and therefore the big gap in energy usage too.

That said, AMD still manages it - just not as efficient as NV does. And the 980 Ti has no real opponent, as it's far better than the ROP-bottlenecked Fury X.
 
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