Now that W10 is out, are you a W7 / W8 refusenik?

Kanan · Oct 14, 2015

I'll switch to Win 10 before it starts to cost OR for a DX12 game that I want to play. Other than that... I don't need it and some things in Win 10 are totally bad, like the extreme loss of control or spy software everywhere.

Shou Miko · Oct 14, 2015

I am running Windows 10 Pro at home, and updated my dad's system (Q6600 cpu) to Windows 10 aswell, thinking about updating my working laptop currently running Windows 8.1 Pro.

my Clevo gaming laptop runs Windows 10 Pro too without any issues so far i am happy with Windows 10 just using Classic shell bcs it's much easier and fast for me.

rtwjunkie · Oct 14, 2015

So has anyone else that is holding out encountered what I did yesterday (page 12-http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/t...a-w7-w8-refusenik.214726/page-12#post-3356757) about Windows Update now forcing the W10 download for anyone who doesn't check, at the expense of not even having the "important" update items selected?

Ahhzz · Oct 14, 2015

rtwjunkie said:
So has anyone else that is holding out encountered what I did yesterday (page 12-http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/t...a-w7-w8-refusenik.214726/page-12#post-3356757) about Windows Update now forcing the W10 download for anyone who doesn't check, at the expense of not even having the "important" update items selected?

I have one client who still insists he came back in to work after the weekend, and his computer had updated itself. Swears he never clicked to update.

edit***

http://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...ncing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-10565/

The only really useful I got from this was the ability to use a Win7 or 8 key to install a fresh copy of 10, making it easier for those who want a "clean" install.

"Device activation improvements: We have received a lot of feedback from Insiders on making it easier to activate Windows 10 on devices that take advantage of the free upgrade offer to genuine Windows by using existing Windows 7, Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 product keys. If you install this build of the Windows 10 Insider Preview on a PC and it doesn’t automatically activate, you can enter the product key from Windows 7, Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 used to activate the prior Windows version on the same device to activate Windows 10 by going to Settings > Update & security > Activation and selecting Change Product Key. If you do a clean install of Windows 10 by booting off the media, you can also enter the product key from prior Windows versions on qualifying devices during setup. Refer to the Insider Hub for more information on these activation improvements including requirements."

rtwjunkie · Oct 14, 2015

Ahhzz said:
I have one client who still insists he came back in to work after the weekend, and his computer had updated itself. Swears he never clicked to update.

Well, that is entirely believable now. Especially if someone had automatic updates enabled. The way it was set up was the W10 upgrade "optional" update is the only one checked. What woulld have happened is that installed, THEN Windows Update would have downloaded "important" W10 updates, negating the need for any of the previous "important" updates to be installed.

Seems they are determined to force upgrades this time around. With this kind of action, I wouldn't be surprised if they suddenly stopped any official support for 7 and 8.1.

Frick · Oct 14, 2015

rtwjunkie said:
Seems they are determined to force upgrades this time around. With this kind of action, I wouldn't be surprised if they suddenly stopped any official support for 7 and 8.1.

I'm pretty sure they can't drop support just like that. And anyway the outrage would be immense.

I restarted my office computer with installing updates before I went home today, and it has automatic updates enabled. We'll see what it's like tomorrow. :laugh:

rtwjunkie · Oct 14, 2015

Frick said:
I'm pretty sure they can't drop support just like that. And anyway the outrage would be immense.

I restarted my office computer with installing updates before I went home today, and it has automatic updates enabled. We'll see what it's like tomorrow.

Yeah, I'm sure they wouldn't either, I'm just saying that kind of thing wouldn't surprise me if they did it. Good luck to you on your updates!

FordGT90Concept · Oct 16, 2015

Microsoft admitted the mistake: http://www.nextpowerup.com/news/24190/windows-10-auto-installing-on-some-systems/

rtwjunkie · Oct 16, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
Microsoft admitted the mistake: http://www.nextpowerup.com/news/24190/windows-10-auto-installing-on-some-systems/

More like "Damn! Smart people figured out what we were up to. Now we have to change it back."

Drone · Oct 18, 2015

/rant

Tried to install W10 on old HP G72 laptop with AMD mobility 5000. Bsoded right after the first boot. A couple of searches on HP forum revealed that crowds of people had the same bsod.

There was a clue: leave old machines alone with W7. Just disable upgrade and move on.

P4-630 · Oct 18, 2015

Drone said:
/rant

Tried to install W10 on old HP G72 laptop with AMD mobility 5000. Bsoded right after the first boot. A couple of searches on HP forum revealed that crowds of people had the same bsod.

There was a clue: leave old machines alone with W7. Just disable upgrade and move on.

Yeah I know.... My old windows 7 laptop's HDD would just stop spinning intermittently in windows IF it got that far, but mostly it just stopped spinning at boot.
Reinstalled windows 7 from the recovery partition and all was fine again and there was nothing wrong with the HDD.

Drone · Oct 18, 2015

P4-630 said:
Yeah I know.... My old windows 7 laptop's HDD would just stop spinning intermittently in windows IF it got that far, but mostly it just stopped spinning at boot.
Reinstalled windows 7 from the recovery partition and all was fine again and there was nothing wrong with the HDD.

I believe you. It's pathetic that they offer [and even force] free upgrade for W7 machines which won't be able to run 10 anyway. OS upgrade gets worse and worse with each release.

Atomic77 · Nov 6, 2015

I was once a refusenik but I made the jump and I like it so far.

TRWOV · Nov 22, 2015

I even like Edge. Haven't installed Chrome... the only things I miss are the "Search xxxx with Google" and "Search this image in Google" but those are doable with a few key strokes or clicks.

RejZoR · Nov 22, 2015

I'm starting to like WIndows 10 now. But only after TH2 release. Apparently Microsoft is only capable of making decent OS after a big update.

Windows XP needed SP2 for properly getting up to the level, Vista needed SP1 before it became good OS (yeah yeah, people still bitched, but it was a good OS). Windows 7 also needed one service pack to get shit sorted. Windows 8 needed 8.1 update and Windows 10 needed TH2 update. AMD hardware is still bitch to use on Windows 10 because of retarded forced Windows 10 driver updating but NVIDIA is great. They don't update graphic drivers and lif is SO MUCH EASIER.

My ACER Iconia W4 820 tablet is also usable with Windows 10 now, especially because context menus are now wider, making it easier to use with big fingers on a touch screen and Firefox 43 will even get a keyboard that pops up when you click inside fields. They only needed almost 1 year to do it where Chrome and Opera had it for ages. So, things are getting together slowly...

Octopuss · Nov 22, 2015

I am somewhat happy to report I am a refusenik.
I have just installed Win10 in a Virtualbox. One minute into staring at the new design and I am ready to puke my brain and senses out. It looks like we're basically back at Windows 3.1 looks. Whoever came up with this should be run over by a truck, shot, and fed to dogs. Saying that it looks like shit is an understatement. Surely you couldn't at least maintain "aeroless" Windows 7 style (I have no idea what's wrong with Aero either, but ok, it's gone even in Win8)??

I found the N edition interesting and thought I might like to use that. I have absolutely no use for the builtin media features. No way, you can only activate N edition of Windows 10 if you own N edition of Windows 7. What the fck?! Why would you even care over there?

Then, reading from Wikipedia:
On November 21, 2015, 10586 was pulled from both Windows Update and Media Creation Tool. A Microsoft spokesperson claimed that a decision had been made to exclusively distribute upgraded builds through Windows Update only (meaning that only the GA build 10240 may be downloaded through MCT), although the upgrade was also pulled from Windows Update for reasons unknown.
What? Why? I like to install my shit as cleanly as possible. Why would you force this on people? I like to download the most recent iso and install that. Give me a break!

Deleted member 74752 · Nov 22, 2015

I have never allowed automatic updates on any of my pc's...period. Came home a few evenings ago to find my main laptop had somehow reverted to auto-update and Win 10 was in the mix. No amount of juggling could remove the download of Win 10 and it prevented other needed updates from ever taking place. It is still in priority as we speak and no amount of reconfiguration will defeat it.

The above fiasco is enough on it's own to discourage me from consideration of Win 10, but I did install it on another laptop earlier in the week to check it out. So far I can see no benefit for myself from the "upgrade". I did apply Classic Shell and it did make it a bit more tolerable. I am one who completely skipped Win 8 when I saw what it was...at some point I know I will have to make a decision.

RejZoR · Nov 22, 2015

I honestly like the Windows 8.1 Start screen that goes across entire screen. I used to use RocketDock with only few things I used regularly. Now I have that on the big start. Dunno why but I just like it because it's big and clean. As soon as I can make folders and arrange stuff too much I want to cram too much into it. But here I always keep it simple.

MxPhenom 216 · Nov 22, 2015

I love windows 10. Though I can understand some issues people have had with it and reverted back to 8 or 7. I've had some drivers issues for my GPU, but I blame NVIDIA for that.

Drone · Nov 22, 2015

Octopuss said:
Then, reading from Wikipedia:
On November 21, 2015, 10586 was pulled from both Windows Update and Media Creation Tool. A Microsoft spokesperson claimed that a decision had been made to exclusively distribute upgraded builds through Windows Update only (meaning that only the GA build 10240 may be downloaded through MCT), although the upgrade was also pulled from Windows Update for reasons unknown.
What? Why? I like to install my shit as cleanly as possible. Why would you force this on people? I like to download the most recent iso and install that. Give me a break!

that Wikipedia is full of shit. 10586 direct iso and esd links are available, they didn't pull anything out

MxPhenom 216 · Nov 22, 2015

Octopuss said:
I am somewhat happy to report I am a refusenik.
I have just installed Win10 in a Virtualbox. One minute into staring at the new design and I am ready to puke my brain and senses out. It looks like we're basically back at Windows 3.1 looks. Whoever came up with this should be run over by a truck, shot, and fed to dogs. Saying that it looks like shit is an understatement. Surely you couldn't at least maintain "aeroless" Windows 7 style (I have no idea what's wrong with Aero either, but ok, it's gone even in Win8)??

I found the N edition interesting and thought I might like to use that. I have absolutely no use for the builtin media features. No way, you can only activate N edition of Windows 10 if you own N edition of Windows 7. What the fck?! Why would you even care over there?

Then, reading from Wikipedia:
On November 21, 2015, 10586 was pulled from both Windows Update and Media Creation Tool. A Microsoft spokesperson claimed that a decision had been made to exclusively distribute upgraded builds through Windows Update only (meaning that only the GA build 10240 may be downloaded through MCT), although the upgrade was also pulled from Windows Update for reasons unknown.
What? Why? I like to install my shit as cleanly as possible. Why would you force this on people? I like to download the most recent iso and install that. Give me a break!

Thats bull shit. The newest big update for windows 10, you can get the ISO from Microsoft's website, and install it cleanly and use your 7 or 8.1 key.

rtwjunkie · Nov 22, 2015

One of my rigs is on W10, and main rig is on W8.1. My biggest objection to W10 are the high pressure tactics employed to get people to upgrade.

Last Tuesday was another batch of updates related to .NET security patches. However...

...even without GWX on my PC (yeah, I deleted that crap), for the second time in a month an optional, let me repeat, OPTIONAL update to download W10 was checked!!!

If I had automatic updates turned on, I would have had my system "upgraded" whether I liked it or not.

This is a cheap, slimy, and lowball tactic reserved for used car salesmen, not the behavior one expects from a world business leader.

HTC · Nov 22, 2015

rtwjunkie said:
One of my rigs is on W10, and main rig is on W8.1. My biggest objection to W10 are the high pressure tactics employed to get people to upgrade.

Last Tuesday was another batch of updates related to .NET security patches. However...

...even without GWX on my PC (yeah, I deleted that crap), for the second time in a month an optional, let me repeat, OPTIONAL update to download W10 was checked!!!

If I had automatic updates turned on, I would have had my system "upgraded" whether I liked it or not.

This is a cheap, slimy, and lowball tactic reserved for used car salesmen, not the behavior one expects from a world business leader.

Same thing here: add to that, the important updates were all unchecked and the only thing checked was windows 10 upgrade in optional updates.

My sister's PC had the same thing: i was installing some updates in her PC, selected all the important ones (were unchecked) and hit update. After a while i got suspicious since it was taking quite a while so i cancelled and checked what was making it take so long: windows 10 upgrade was checked in optional updates, so i unchecked it, hid it and rebooted. After, i tried updating again but this time i payed close attention to the optional updates, just to be sure: not only was windows 10 upgrade not hidden but also checked, again ...

rtwjunkie · Nov 22, 2015

HTC said:
Same thing here: add to that, the important updates were all unchecked and the only thing checked was windows 10 upgrade in optional updates.

My sister's PC had the same thing: i was installing some updates in her PC, selected all the important ones (were unchecked) and hit update. After a while i got suspicious since it was taking quite a while so i cancelled and checked what was making it take so long: windows 10 upgrade was checked in optional updates, so i unchecked it, hid it and rebooted. After, i tried updating again but this time i payed close attention to the optional updates, just to be sure: not only was windows 10 upgrade not hidden but also checked, again ...

Yeah, it's underhanded and sneaky. They apologized last month and said it was an "accident." Wonder what would have happened had there not been any outcry? Would they have said anything about the "accident?"

My updates were all checked and unchecked exactly as you described yours, btw.

HTC · Nov 22, 2015

rtwjunkie said:
Yeah, it's underhanded and sneaky. They apologized last month and said it was an "accident." Wonder what would have happened had there not been any outcry? Would they have said anything about the "accident?"

My updates were all checked an unchecked exactly as you described yours, btw.

The fact they can change a setting in your PC (from hidden unselected update to selected and not hidden) means they have some sort of access to it, be it from some form of malware embedded in their windows files or something else.

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