AMD Unveils the Radeon Pro Duo Graphics Card

[PP Mguire]

Difference is though (on the pictures we have so far) the VRM is cooled by a water block so it should be running cooler.


I don't own one, however one of the few people I know who bought these at one point second hand when showing them under stress the radiators were warm but not out of the ordinary (Least to me). As long as the temps stayed fine I am cool with it.


Polaris+

This. My rad gets hot to the touch but my GPUs never go over 50c even with a volt mod. It's just a lot of heat being put off.

 

[medi01]

Interesting bit, that I don't see in OP: 350W.
Fury X is 250W.
Fury Nano is 175W.

Target market: VR.
Oh, and wait for it: GAME DEVELOPERS. Kek.

Agree. For those I have 2xFY and 3xFY to say about them.

I just want the prices to go back to sane and normal level like theer were a couple of years back when I bought my brand new ATI 4870X2 for 600$.
Cheers!

Yeah, but 4870 was smaller "than usual", you can't really compare em.

 

[EarthDog]

I have no problems with mine. Radiators are going to be hot or warm to the touch because of how much heat they are dissipating. Temps on the GPUs are fine though.

It shouldn't be that hot is the point. A 1x120mm radiator just doesn't have capacity to cool such loads. I mean if you want air temps with water its OK.

I hit 73C stock in OPEN AIR with the included fan: http://www.overclockers.com/AMD-r9295x2-video-card-review/

 

[PP Mguire]

It shouldn't be that hot is the point. A 1x120mm radiator just doesn't have capacity to cool such loads. I mean if you want air temps with water its OK.

I hit 73C stock in OPEN AIR with the included fan: http://www.overclockers.com/AMD-r9295x2-video-card-review/

Yes it does and you linked proof. That's 2, not just one but 2 GPUs being cooled and maintained at 75c (overclocked) while 290x's were being held at 85c on air. Try putting your finger on a piece of metal that's 75c, it's going to be hot. As I said before, my current loop the rad gets real hot but doesn't mean it isn't doing a good enough job or isn't capable of the load. Could it be better? Sure, if I wanted to mod my case for another rad. Do I need to? No, because my GPUs sit at 50c and so does my CPU on a slim 360. In the case of the 295x2 600W is 600W worth of heat output and I'd say 75c is damn fine in a small package.

Also in the case of their review, 25c ambient is fucking hot. My 295x2 sits closer to 70c. Don't think you'd see a compact air solution doing that m8.

 

[GC_PaNzerFIN]

Cooling solution internals look soo over-engineered. I need to cool this, oh and that, and those, and these... lets put tubes here... over there.... and there.... well one more doesn't hurt!

I would have seriously considered full cover block and having the pump integrated to the rad.

 

[EarthDog]

Yes it does and you linked proof. That's 2, not just one but 2 GPUs being cooled and maintained at 75c (overclocked) while 290x's were being held at 85c on air. Try putting your finger on a piece of metal that's 75c, it's going to be hot. As I said before, my current loop the rad gets real hot but doesn't mean it isn't doing a good enough job or isn't capable of the load. Could it be better? Sure, if I wanted to mod my case for another rad. Do I need to? No, because my GPUs sit at 50c and so does my CPU on a slim 360. In the case of the 295x2 600W is 600W worth of heat output and I'd say 75c is damn fine in a small package.

Also in the case of their review, 25c ambient is fucking hot. My 295x2 sits closer to 70c. Don't think you'd see a compact air solution doing that m8.

Its a 500W GPU as I said earlier, the 295x2. I suppose if I am cooling with water, I prefer water cooled temps and not what I could get on air. As I said that rad was almost hot to the touch.

Temps with a properly radded loop were around 55C load (by proper I have 5x120mm worth of radiator, one was double thick rad - also cooled a CPU). My rads, while warmer than the air, were not close to being hot to the touch. Again, open air so it was getting ambient air. I think we disagree on what is 'enough'. I don't find air temperatures 'enough' when cooling with water... no point... too high of delta's, and I am not a fan of 40C+ water.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

If i were to get this card i would put an ek full cover block and have it cooled by its own 360 rad.

 

[iO]

This card looks like a plan B.
As the 980ti spoiled their Fiji lineup they had to reposition a former dual Nano as a "Prosumer" card similiar like the first Titan, so it doesnt has to compete directly to a potential new and faster dual Nvidia card.

 

[the54thvoid]

If i were to get this card i would put an ek full cover block and have it cooled by its own 360 rad.

I wonder if EK plan to make one given the cards limited appeal... By that I mean t is meant for dev's. Then again - Titan's got waterblocks so perhaps this will too.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

I wonder if EK plan to make one given the cards limited appeal... By that I mean t is meant for dev's. Then again - Titan's got waterblocks so perhaps this will too.

Well Titans sold pretty well up until Titan Z.

 

[EarthDog]

I wonder if EK plan to make one given the cards limited appeal... By that I mean t is meant for dev's. Then again - Titan's got waterblocks so perhaps this will too.

The 295x2 had one... so I would guess yes, particularly considering the cooling it comes with.

 

[PP Mguire]

Its a 500W GPU as I said earlier, the 295x2. I suppose if I am cooling with water, I prefer water cooled temps and not what I could get on air. As I said that rad was almost hot to the touch.

Temps with a properly radded loop were around 55C load (by proper I have 5x120mm worth of radiator, one was double thick rad - also cooled a CPU). My rads, while warmer than the air, were not close to being hot to the touch. Again, open air so it was getting ambient air. I think we disagree on what is 'enough'. I don't find air temperatures 'enough' when cooling with water... no point... too high of delta's, and I am not a fan of 40C+ water.

70c for 2 GPUs is better than 85c on one GPU (single 290x). I'd say that's doing a damn good job and not akin to air temps. I mean, after a long drive do you touch your car radiator and say oh this is too hot being water cooled, I need to add 6 Mishimoto rads in the trunk with high CFM fans and a dedicated exhaust system? What I'd call what you're doing is just adding a lot of headroom. But, my GPU temps are 50/52c and my rad is hot but it's just doing it's job well. That's 2 Titan X and a 4.9GHz 3960x on a Black Ice GTS 360. I don't see any issue with that as a hot rad isn't bothering me and my temps are cool. Same goes for an AIO strapped to several hundred watts of GPU and still maintaining a 15c lower temp than a single GPU on air. AIO will never rival that of custom water in cooling.

 

[EarthDog]

Headroom, LOL.. Ok PP. I will just let it go at this time. I appreciate your posts none the less.

 

[PP Mguire]

Headroom, LOL.. Ok PP. I will just let it go at this time. I appreciate your posts none the less.

It is. Your GPU isn't going to care if it's 30c, 55c or 70c if you're gaming. If you want to bust balls for clocks dip the rad in dry ice or just skip it all and go for LN2. Fact is, the cooling solution for the 295x2 is perfectly fine for the John Doe out there who isn't interested in custom water. Thing is, your main arguments are "the rad is hot to the touch" and "75c isn't enough for water" both of which have been refuted.

 

[EarthDog]

Tell me something else I don't already know... We will agree to disagree and move on PP.

 

[cdawall]

Im sorry I don't consider aio's to be water cooling the temps reflect that

 

[buildzoid]

I really don't like these Coolermaster all in ones they keep using

Why what don't you like about them?

 

[TRWOV]

Interesting change in card layout during the Fury X2 to Radeon Pro Duo transition:

The original Fury X2 (bottom) was perhaps intended to be air cooled, but had to sacrifice performance? So instead they went to increase power, performance and slap an AIO on it.

An aircooled Radeon Duo, maybe?


edit: cdawall beat me to it

 

[newtekie1]

I'd be willing to bet the deal with that is flow and not so much the cooling capacity of the radiator. 95c on VRM isn't that bad though.

I don't. I don't think the flow has much to do with the issue. And 95°C isn't exactly good for the VRMs. In fact, W1z even said he wouldn't recommend it for long term use.

Difference is though (on the pictures we have so far) the VRM is cooled by a water block so it should be running cooler.

It was cooled by a waterblock on the Fury X. It might not have been as pretty on the Fury X, but the VRM was watercooled.

 

[overclocking101]

I'm seriously going to consider this as my future upgrade but i owned a 3870X2 and a 4870X2 and have learned that drivers for X2 cards are always spotty gonna wait and not be the guinea pig this time

 

[GhostRyder]

It was cooled by a waterblock on the Fury X. It might not have been as pretty on the Fury X, but the VRM was watercooled.

Well even though it was, it was not as good as its done this round by the looks of it.

Fury X

Fury Pro Duo

I just meant rather than just a copper pipe next to the VRM with water flowing, its now a full VRM block with liquid running over it which should (Hopefully) be better overall.

 

[PP Mguire]

I don't. I don't think the flow has much to do with the issue. And 95°C isn't exactly good for the VRMs. In fact, W1z even said he wouldn't recommend it for long term use.



It was cooled by a waterblock on the Fury X. It might not have been as pretty on the Fury X, but the VRM was watercooled.

Well, year and counting and still running strong. Don't think it really matters. Most people quote up to 125c is fine, but potato, potato <-- you get what I mean.

 

[Ubersonic]

It wasn't really fine on the 295x2 (have you ever played a game on one of those with that cooler? The rad was almost hot to the touch!

That's not actually a problem, heat exchangers are supposed to be hot that means they're working, if the rad had been cold it would have meant either it was oversized or the fan was running faster than needed. A lot of water cooling enthusiasts prefer to run their custom loops like this these days, but there is still nothing wrong with the radiator being hot, just like the is nothing wrong with an air cooled heatsink being hot

 

[PP Mguire]

That's not actually a problem, heat exchangers are supposed to be hot that means they're working, if the rad had been cold it would have meant either it was oversized or the fan was running faster than needed. A lot of water cooling enthusiasts prefer to run their custom loops like this these days, but there is still nothing wrong with the radiator being hot, just like the is nothing wrong with an air cooled heatsink being hot

Yea, we already went through that and he just wanted to agree to disagree. The cooling is fine.

 

[EarthDog]

There is a difference between hot to the touch and warm people. There was literally 45C+ temps coming through the tiny radiator. The problem with "HOT" comes when some pumps (not many) have limits of 45C water temperatures. Most are 60C though. Again, warm OK, hot to the touch, not really a great idea and is a clear sign of not having enough cooling area. A couple of reviews say that, in fact.

Reiterating the 'basics' really isn't going to change my thought process. I owned one with both the sub-par 120mm rad, and then I put it in a custom loop... BIG difference when there is actually enough radiator to keep it cool..........where water cooling "should" be. General rule of thumb ALL OVER THE WEB is ~100W for ever 1x120mm worth of radiator. Even if you double that, the 295x2 was a 500W card... Its VRMs were not cooled by the thing even. Does it work.. yes it does...but it could have been A LOT better with a 2x120mm rad. Problem is not all cases have room for it, hence their choice for 120mm.