AMD Outs "Bristol Ridge" APU Performance Numbers

[GhostRyder]

The GPU isn't powerful enough to drive games at 1080p, so how would that help? Free-Sync isn't going to make 15FPS playable.

It would still be a plus, especially at the right price (well the IPS would probably be asking to much) it would still be a plus especially to those only playing steam games or expecting medium settings. Eh, to entice people they need to make these system more appealing in my book.

 

[newtekie1]

It would still be a plus, especially at the right price (well the IPS would probably be asking to much) it would still be a plus especially to those only playing steam games or expecting medium settings. Eh, to entice people they need to make these system more appealing in my book.

Lowering the price would make them way more appealing than Free-sync. The FX-8800P systems should have been selling for $450, not $550+. For the performance it gives, the FX-8800P just isn't appealing at $600, there are too many better options. Adding free-sync, which would up the price even more, wouldn't help that.

 

[Streetguru]

The GPU isn't powerful enough to drive games at 1080p, so how would that help? Free-Sync isn't going to make 15FPS playable. So how would that help, other than to drive up the cost of a product that is already struggling to compete price wise?

The 1080p display isn't going to be for AAA gaming, more like LoL/Dota/CS:GO, and it's for the desktop part of it not really the gaming part, AAA games would need to be run at a lower resolution naturally

As for the price, free-sync really doesn't need to add to the cost, since it's ya know free, just needs some firmware.

 

[Streetguru]

It would still be a plus, especially at the right price (well the IPS would probably be asking to much) it would still be a plus especially to those only playing steam games or expecting medium settings. Eh, to entice people they need to make these system more appealing in my book.

There are $100 windows tablets with 1280x800 IPS displays, I think they can fit it onto a low cost laptop at this point.

 

[newtekie1]

The 1080p display isn't going to be for AAA gaming, more like LoL/Dota/CS:GO, and it's for the desktop part of it not really the gaming part, AAA games would need to be run at a lower resolution naturally

Sure, but at that point, who in their right mind is going to take Free-Sync over an Intel w/ Dedicated graphics giving better performance at the same or lower price point? Free-sync isn't going to make up the performance difference.

As for the price, free-sync really doesn't need to add to the cost, since it's ya know free, just needs some firmware.

Not really free, it requires the display signal to be sent over displayport, which costs extra engineering to incorporate.

And while the cost might be on the small side, once they stick that Free-Sync sticker on the box, they love to jack up the cost to the consumer.

 

[Streetguru]

Sure, but at that point, who in their right mind is going to take Free-Sync over an Intel w/ Dedicated graphics giving better performance at the same or lower price point? Free-sync isn't going to make up the performance difference.



Not really free, it requires the display signal to be sent over displayport, which costs extra engineering to incorporate.

And while the cost might be on the small side, once they stick that Free-Sync sticker on the box, they love to jack up the cost to the consumer.

It gives you the advantage of smoother gameplay from free-sync even if the performance isn't all there.

There's still currently no reason to buy an AMD based laptop, but the addition of free-sync and probably some purpose built ones with higher speed DDR4 is going to help out their performance a ton while maintaining a smaller form factor device.

They basically have to fill niche markets with their product to get anywhere with it, like you couldn't really fit a CPU + GPU into say a 10" netbook like device, but you could easily fit in the 15W APU with some high speed DDR4.

 

[cdawall]

It gives you the advantage of smoother gameplay from free-sync even if the performance isn't all there.

There's still currently no reason to buy an AMD based laptop, but the addition of free-sync and probably some purpose built ones with higher speed DDR4 is going to help out their performance a ton while maintaining a smaller form factor device.

They basically have to fill niche markets with their product to get anywhere with it, like you couldn't really fit a CPU + GPU into say a 10" netbook like device, but you could easily fit in the 15W APU with some high speed DDR4.

There is no smoother game play when the CPU+GPU is a hunk of shit that would be consistently outperformed by a passively cooled pentium quad core mated to a GT 940.

 

[rruff]

There's still currently no reason to buy an AMD based laptop

Sadly that is the truth. The processors are inherently slow and power hungry compared to Intel. The APU concept gave them a niche on the desktop where they could handily beat Intel's iGPU, but nearly all the laptops are throttled to 15w where even that advantage pretty much disappears.

If we could get the better AMD processors in 35w chassis with fast dual channel ram and a price comparable to the 2-core i5 systems, then they'd have some appeal. Throttle them on battery, but let them run when plugged in.

 

[Streetguru]

Sadly that is the truth. The processors are inherently slow and power hungry compared to Intel. The APU concept gave them a niche on the desktop where they could handily beat Intel's iGPU, but nearly all the laptops are throttled to 15w where even that advantage pretty much disappears.

If we could get the better AMD processors in 35w chassis with fast dual channel ram and a price comparable to the 2-core i5 systems, then they'd have some appeal. Throttle them on battery, but let them run when plugged in.

Need some Zen APUs with HBM2 on die.

 

[cdawall]

Need some Zen APUs with HBM2 on die.

HBM2 wont fix a shit CPU design.

 

[GoldenX]

I don't think APUs are in the price range to justify HBM. Except AMD invents them, that IGP would rock.

 

[cdawall]

I don't think APUs are in the price range to justify HBM. Except AMD invents them, that IGP would rock.

You can heep bandwidth onto it all you want it still isn't a very powerful GPU integrated. The FX8800P doesn't even have as much power as a 7870. What is HBM going to fix? The GPU can't render the frames.

 

[newtekie1]

You can heep bandwidth onto it all you want it still isn't a very powerful GPU integrated. The FX8800P doesn't even have as much power as a 7870. What is HBM going to fix? The GPU can't render the frames.

Exactly this. It seems that people think that memory bandwidth is some how going to unlock this hidden power in the GPU. Extra memory bandwidth only helps to a point, after that the GPU is just too weak for more memory bandwidth to help. HBM would be totally wasted on an APU.

 

[cdawall]

Exactly this. It seems that people think that memory bandwidth is some how going to unlock this hidden power in the GPU. Extra memory bandwidth only helps to a point, after that the GPU is just too weak for more memory bandwidth to help. HBM would be totally wasted on an APU.

I don't think people understand just how weak these are. The cards people were using for dedicated physx cards 4 years ago are still more powerful than an AMD mobile APU.

 

[medi01]

Guys, are you seriously comparing "cheapest you can find with mail-in rebates" vs retail price of yet to be released product?

Dedicated NV + i5 being cheaper than AMD APU makes no sense whatsoever.

And total perf being not so great, hey, have you checked TDPs?

but an i5-5200U with a 940m

Jeez, but 940m alone is 30w, so you are at 45w.

Target of this is "ultra thins" and "2 in 1".

 

[Streetguru]

HBM2 wont fix a shit CPU design.

That's why I said Zen man

I don't think APUs are in the price range to justify HBM. Except AMD invents them, that IGP would rock.

It only needs a few GBs 2 at most, and the point would be to give it all the memory speed it needs to perform, so you could have the SoC gaming rig for laptops. Currently that's the biggest bottleneck for an APU. aside from the weak CPU.


Just look at how well the PS4 performs given it's processor, a low power jaguar APU, yet it's pretty alright for gaming since it has GDDR5

 

[newtekie1]

Guys, are you seriously comparing "cheapest you can find with mail-in rebates" vs retail price of yet to be released product?

Dedicated NV + i5 being cheaper than AMD APU makes no sense whatsoever.

Nope, I'm comparing straight retail with no rebates to the retail price of a currently released product that performs worse than the new product AMD is going to likely release at the same price or higher.

And total perf being not so great, hey, have you checked TDPs?

Jeez, but 940m alone is 30w, so you are at 45w.

Target of this is "ultra thins" and "2 in 1".

The target is definitely not 2 in 1 or ultra thins. This is a replacement for the FX-8800P, they don't put chips like that in ultra thins, they don't put them in 2 in 1s either. Those platforms use processors with TDPs in the 5w range. Maybe I'm wrong. Can you point to any Ultra-thins or 2 in 1s using the FX-8800p?

Also, the maximum TDP isn't a big deal. The 940m(and 950m and 960m) turns completely off when there is no 3D load and the i5 has a 15w TDP, so when not gaming the TDP is the same as the AMD. So most of the time the laptop is in use, the Intel/nvidia combo will be the same. Actually, it will have better power consumption. Why? Because of the race to the halt state. Because the Intel processor performs better than the AMD, if it takes the Intel 1 second to complete a task, and the AMD 1.2 seconds, that means the AMD is running at full 15w TDP for 20% longer than the Intel to do the same tasks. Plus, Intel's low power states are more efficient than AMDs, so when the laptop is idle the Intel is using less power.

Yes, when gaming the Intel/nVidia combo will use more power, but that is a trade off most people who play games are likely willing to make. They'll trade the lower battery life for more gaming performance.

 

[cdawall]

That's why I said Zen man



It only needs a few GBs 2 at most, and the point would be to give it all the memory speed it needs to perform, so you could have the SoC gaming rig for laptops. Currently that's the biggest bottleneck for an APU. aside from the weak CPU.


Just look at how well the PS4 performs given it's processor, a low power jaguar APU, yet it's pretty alright for gaming since it has GDDR5

The ps4 has the equal of a 7870 in it and jaguar uses real cores not the half core module crap not to mention it has 8

 

[medi01]

The target is definitely not 2 in 1 or ultra thins.

Well, HP is going to:

Old (super cheap) 360 with AMD APU was also available (was somewhat heavy and sucky screen though). Too lazy to dig a link. (I actually bought and returned it to amazon)

 

[newtekie1]

Well, HP is going to:

I wouldn't consider that an Ultra-thin or a 2 in 1. I mean they've already been stuffing i5+940m in 20mm designs. I don't see that 1.2mm making a big difference.

When I hear ultra-thin, I expect macbook air level of thin, not 1mm smaller than a normal laptop...

 

[Caring1]

Versitility hey, I see the spelling is versatile.

 

[arbiter]

Meh, I misread benchmarks. So CPU benchmarks were comparing only to AMD's CPUs.

Some of them were only amd cpu's ones with pcmark and 3d mark which are gpu accelerated had intel on them.

$699 gets you an I7 6700HQ and gt950.

About month or 2 ago, dell was selling a i7 6700HQ with gtx960m 4gb dedicated gddr5 memory for 700$. Dell one also had a FHD 1080p IPS display. that acer one is only 1366x768.

I don't think APUs are in the price range to justify HBM. Except AMD invents them, that IGP would rock.

still looking least 1-2 years before HBM is cheap enough for amd to make use of them for an IGP.

 

[cdawall]

About month or 2 ago, dell was selling a i7 6700HQ with gtx960m 4gb dedicated gddr5 memory for 700$. Dell one also had a FHD 1080p IPS display. that acer one is only 1366x768.

Dell sucks, so they could have put whatever they wanted in it, they all look the same when they are returned.

 

[YoRkFiElD]

Very low CB R15 score compared to my 5820K ~ 1300 points in multithread. Still nothing interesting from AMD

 

[cdawall]

Very low CB R15 score compared to my 5820K ~ 1300 points in multithread. Still nothing interesting from AMD

These are "4 core" laptop chips I would rather hope your desktop i7 performed better...